Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Chris Dunford
If you are so limiting your news source I can understand how you come by your viewpoints. If you read on the left blogosphere, Media Matters, TPM Muckraker, and Huffington Post you'll typically see links to legitimate researched reports. Didn't notice him saying that he limited his sources

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Matthew Taylor
Every source I can recall him mentioning has been a left wing ax grinder. I did not say he reads nothing else, I said IF. I have not seen MM's take on Obama's support of infaticide, but it is real. I have read the original bill. I have read the final bill after it was modified to meet

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread mike
Sorry Chris but you are wrong on this one, MM is a left wing/progressive site, it does NOT monitor all news, only what it considers as 'right wing' disinformation. This from their site verbatim. *Media Matters for America* is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Jordan
Thank you Chris, Unless a person is actually broadminded, curious, or both, they won't look at a site like MM and see for them selves what we are talking about. If they are not broadminded or curious they'll resort to knee jerk responses and never look or understand, no matter how many times

Re: [CGUYS] router security

2009-02-12 Thread Jordan
Thanks for all the input. The problems I have experienced are of little or no consequence so far. I was just tinkering with router security to gain a better understanding of it. Now it seems likely that the problem was not with the router at all. If indeed the problem is totally with gmail, it

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Jeff Wright
I've stayed out of this thread until now, because over the years I have learned the utter futility in having political discussions with hardcore liberals. It's simply not worth it. Conservatives sometimes have a somewhat better grip on reality and can actually have a discussion where it doesn't

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread mike
Well this can be said in both directions, I don't see many of my liberal friends who populate the Kos and MM and Huffington post spending much time at conservative blogs...these blogs are just lying liars who lie. Very open minded. Generally speaking most people gavitate towards views they

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Jordan
Matthew Taylor wrote: I have not seen MM's take on Obama's support of infaticide, but it is real. I have read the original bill. I have read the final bill after it was modified to meet Obama's and other's objections. At the end of the day it was legal in Illinois for living infants to be

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Jordan
mike wrote: Well this can be said in both directions, I don't see many of my liberal friends who populate the Kos and MM and Huffington post spending much time at conservative blogs...these blogs are just lying liars who lie. Very open minded. Generally speaking most people gavitate towards

Re: [CGUYS] Why Apple Will Prevail

2009-02-12 Thread John DeCarlo
Tony, Tony, Tony, I have tried to ignore your useless rants, but this one caught me. If you don't understand how going from 8% to 10% is a 25% increase, I am even sadder. I thought you had some small amount of technical knowledge. This is basic elementary school stuff. The market is divided

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Jordan
Jeff Wright wrote: libertarians There are many fine elements to the libertarian point of view. They are also the party of I've got mine, screw you way of thinking. That is not what this country should be about and it would be disastrous in our current economic situation. Maybe you've

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Chris Dunford
Sorry Chris but you are wrong on this one, MM is a left wing/progressive site, it does NOT monitor all news, only what it considers as 'right wing' disinformation. Mike, of course it is a left wing site. It does not pretend to be anything else. That does not, however, make it a *smear* site,

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Steve at Verizon
What makes you think that libertarians aren't generous? The difference is that they are generous with their own money. Liberals are generous with other peoples money. Jordan wrote: Jeff Wright wrote: libertarians There are many fine elements to the libertarian point of view. They are also

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread mike
I am corrrected, I took your statement about MM documenting everything as meaning they document both the right and left disinformation. They take no pains at all to check left wing disinformation. On 2/12/09, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com wrote: Sorry Chris but you are wrong on this one,

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Matthew Taylor
Actually one of the time honored smear tactics is to stick to the facts, meticulously, but SELECTIVELY reported, and devoid of important context. In my experience both the left and right excel at this, of late the left more consistently. Matthew On Feb 12, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Chris

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Matthew Taylor
Jeff; One of the consistent trends of our recent political history is that the broadly conservative and libertarian thinks the left is badly misguided but educable, while the left thinks conservatives and libertarians are evil and selfish. On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

[CGUYS] Dem goes after net neutrality

2009-02-12 Thread mike
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/11/feinstein_stimulus_amendment/?ref=most I had hoped, apparently in vain, that with guys like Ted Stevens being caught and the Dems being in power that the big money from cable/media interests would go unheard from significant members of congress. Looks like

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Chris Dunford
Actually one of the time honored smear tactics is to stick to the facts, meticulously, but SELECTIVELY reported, and devoid of important context. In my experience both the left and right excel at this, of late the left more consistently. It doesn't sound like you've spent much quality time

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Chris Dunford
At the end of the day it was legal in Illinois for living infants to be allowed to die with no medical or pallitive assistance See, this is wrong. I guess you are saying this because the final bill did not contain language making this practice illegal. You're right; it did not. But neither

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Chris Dunford
I am corrrected, I took your statement about MM documenting everything as meaning they document both the right and left disinformation. They take no pains at all to check left wing disinformation. No, they don't, but why should they? That's like saying that firefighters never check for

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread b_s-wilk
Well this can be said in both directions, I don't see many of my liberal friends who populate the Kos and MM and Huffington post spending much time at conservative blogs...these blogs are just lying liars who lie. Very open minded. Generally speaking most people gavitate towards views they

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Jeff Wright
One of the consistent trends of our recent political history is that the broadly conservative and libertarian thinks the left is badly misguided but educable, while the left thinks conservatives and libertarians are evil and selfish. IME, what most non-libertarians seem to think is that

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Matthew Taylor
It is not illegal at the present time is the problem. The bill was in part an attempt to make it illegal, as the practice was ongoing in Illinois hospitals. Can you point to a single case of prosecution that would indicate the state thought it to be illegal? On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:47

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Matthew Taylor
It does sound as if time spent there is quality time. That is besides the point was making though. It is possible to convey misinformation without uttering a single thing that is not true. Matthew On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Actually one of the time honored smear

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Not clear that Huffington is liberal or Liberal. Read all her works. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
I do not know which conservatives you have in mind, but once you are done with William Buckley, who unfortunately is no longer around to keep Conservatism honest and clean, the fold is mostly histrionic beyond all pale (starting with the current darling- Hannity, Palin, and Coulter). Amazing how

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Chris Dunford
It is not illegal at the present time is the problem. No, it is homicide. Homicide is illegal. The bill was in part an attempt to make it illegal, as the practice was ongoing in Illinois hospitals. This is an overstatement of Homeric proportion. There was an allegation that this occurred

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Jeff Wright
I do not know which conservatives you have in mind, but once you are done with William Buckley, who unfortunately is no longer around to keep Conservatism honest and clean, the fold is mostly histrionic beyond all pale (starting with the current darling- Hannity, Palin, and Coulter). I'm

[CGUYS] Charter to file for bankruptcy

2009-02-12 Thread David K Watson
This doesn't directly affect me, but I expect it will affect some of you: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/charter-file-bankruptcy-april-1/story.aspx?guid=%7B14171E23-A3D2-4740-ADDE-024BB74F80D6%7Ddist=msr_2 Cable operator Charter Communications, weighed down by huge debt for many

Re: [CGUYS] Why Apple Will Prevail

2009-02-12 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Ah. So a 2% increase in share is a 25% increase in your fantasy world? Okay. I can _almost_ accept that twisted math, except if the whole pie is 10 instead of 100, then 2 is only 20% of it, not 25%. That 2 is 1/4 of 8 means

Re: [CGUYS] Charter to file for bankruptcy

2009-02-12 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yeah our only option as a cable company. Explains a lot on why their service is less than piss poor. Stewart At 04:47 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: This doesn't directly affect me, but I expect it will affect some of you:

Re: [CGUYS] Dem goes after net neutrality

2009-02-12 Thread Tom Piwowar
The good news is that this provision has been defeated (for now). I had hoped, apparently in vain, that with guys like Ted Stevens being caught and the Dems being in power that the big money from cable/media interests would go unheard from significant members of congress. Looks like the dems

[CGUYS] need to find program to convert mpg file to still images

2009-02-12 Thread Elaine Zablocki
I have a camera that can take both JPEG's and short movies. I now have a two-second video file, in mpg format, and I would like to get some of the individual images out of this file. How can I do that? Could anyone recommend a program that would change the video file into several jpegs? I

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Ray Rheault
-- Original message from Matthew Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.com: -- On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:33 PM, db wrote: To me the cutting tax (ad nauseum...), small hands off government, free trade concepts are just me me me first types trying to make sure nobody gets

Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]

2009-02-12 Thread Ray Rheault
I've concluded after reading through this thread that you may be (and there are plenty of contenders) the winner of the Legend in His Own Mind award. I congratulate you. -- Original message from Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com: -- One of the consistent trends of our

Re: [CGUYS] need to find program to convert mpg file to still images

2009-02-12 Thread Tony B
Use Windows Movie Maker. ToolsTake Picture From Preview. You may find the Timeline mode easier for this, but be sure to set ToolsPreview Size to Large first. Disclaimer: I'm in Vista right now, so this may be a different version of WMM. If you can't figure it out, I can dig up a WinXP comp