Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-11 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:46 AM, One Man wrote: What's wrong with familiarity? why should users be required to learn yet more s/w when they're already comfortable with what they're familiar? Yes, call me a curmudgeon. Why don't we still live in caves and bang rocks together to make tools?

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
This is wrong. Competition only needs a winner and looser at the end of the game. However during it both sides should stay competitive. And yes, I'll worry, along with you, when the game is over. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
I don't question who did it. While I sound like a liberal most of the time, I blame the democrats as much as the conservatives most of the time. Stupid ideas see no political bias. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy beyond its means. Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is here:

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: I find this to be true also: The greedy aren't the capitalists. They are trying to make a living and I say power to them. So you think the corporations who cancel your health insurance the moment you get sick are fine upstanding examples of

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: One can draw some conclusions from the health care debate...this chief among them: Obama is a radical liberal at best...a socialist at worst. Same with Pelosi and Reid. I can't imagine any clear thinking person anywhere wants our country

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to the gross

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
That was kind of my point. Not really happy about the thought of paying for a house that burned to the ground 5 years earlier. But the option of not buying insurance should be there. That's tort reform for you. Hard to sue an insurance company if you never paid for it in the first place.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:59 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: This is wrong. Competition only needs a winner and looser at the end of the game. However during it both sides should stay competitive. And yes, I'll worry, along with you, when the game is over. Eventually the Sun will go super nova and the

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow what memories. I used to have a print of that New Yorker cover hanging on my wall. The 80's, where did they go? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:18 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10,

[CGUYS] Wealth in the us

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
I kind of liked the government produces no wealth statement. If it didn't where do you think many of the millionaires would be living, and would they be millionaires? Remember the us government is us. We create these people and all of these things. Wow, just thinking here, but if it

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
Are you sure about this? I know it takes 20+ minutes to send a command to the rovers, but I also was sure they just sat there till they got those commands. Computers aren't at all bright. I wouldn't trust a multi-million dollar space rover to Windows? I wouldn't even trust it to a Mac.

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-11 Thread Mike
You aren't required to, but don't expect software created ten years ago to run on brand new systems. If you want to keep using eudora you better keep that old version of windows or mac handy. Sent from my iPod On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:46 PM, One Man one911...@yahoo.com wrote: What's wrong

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
And people are just figuring this out. You'd figure not being able to make a house payment on a house they couldn't afford in the first place would have been a big clue. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-11 Thread One Man
looks around where's my flint? --- On Fri, 9/11/09, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why don't we still live in caves and bang rocks together to make tools? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Constance Warner
Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space. In addition to GPS, weather satellites, and warnings of solar flares [which, if large enough, can fry your iPod, your computer, and the entire electrical grid], the space program can warn about continent-killing asteroids. And, if

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread mike
Socialism is a word like any other, a construct of humans and governments. Neither good nor bad, Tom is being mighty ignorant here since both the nazi and soviets called themselves and acted in great part in a socialistic way. Then of course you can discuss the merits of the pseudo socialism of

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
HUH? I have Eudora running non my Vista laptop. It works fine so far. Very good piece if software. Qualcomm decided it can make more money suing Nokia and developing Cell phone stuff. Stewart At 02:27 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: You aren't required to, but don't expect software created ten

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-11 Thread mike
I imagine it's like watching and old black and white of Gilligan's Island on a big 65 inch HDTV. :p On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: HUH? I have Eudora running non my Vista laptop. It works fine so far. Very good piece if software.

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Dunford
Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space Constance, I might have missed something, but I didn't see anyone disagreeing with this. The disagreement is about the manned space program... * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Dunford
*. . . a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say.

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-11 Thread Rich Schinnell
Eudora works fine on all versions of windows up thru Windows 7 ultimate. I just re-install Eudora on the new machine in the same directory where it was installed on the old one. I use C:\eudora or D:\eudora and then don't start it. I then overwrite all the files in my eudora directory with the

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Constance Warner
Well, my main point was that you really need to tell your congressperson and senators that you want GPS and other space programs to continue. If not, they will go away. (And we will all go away if, in 2036, the asteroid turns out to be headed straight for earth and we haven't spent the

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread mike
Then the socialists should pick a better word. I'm speaking in broader terms keeping in mind the people the big O has surrounded himself with over his lifetime. I'm also talking about keeping the federal government from gaining even more control, keep these things within the states where it

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread b_s-wilk
Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-11 Thread b_s-wilk
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Jordan wrote: The nice Apple keyboard that I use on the iMac has a problem. The cde and 3 keys have stopped working. Is there anything I can tinker with that might fix this? It's a couple years old, but does anyone think Apple will do anything for me on this?

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread mike
http://fora.tv/2009/02/04/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_The_Pluto_Files#fullprogram Chapter 18 is especially interesting. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Well, my main point was that you really need to tell your congressperson and senators that you want GPS and

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread mike
When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:42 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Jeff Morris jmor...@clarkswb.net escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I do something similar every time I upgrade or reload. I love my Eudora. Until they come out with something that works as well and as easy. I will not change. Stewart At 09:13 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: Eudora works fine on all versions of windows up thru Windows 7 ultimate. I just

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-11 Thread Jordan
b_s-wilk wrote: I agree that you probably need a new keyboard. Now that you have nothing to lose, open the keyboard and try to fix it yourself anyway. Betty Yes! I am that kind of person. I'll have to see if I can do it more gently than the guy in the link you gave. Heating it up a but

[CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem

2009-09-11 Thread Stephen Brownfield
My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels. She is running Office 2008 on her MacBook Pro running 10.5. I am running Office X on my iMac running 10.4.11. I can open the file in Excel, but when I try to open it for a merge through Word, Word crashes. Do I need to

Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem

2009-09-11 Thread Tony B
First thing that comes to mind: Try exporting it to a .csv (or something) and merging that. Or have her send you a .csv. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Stephen Brownfield steveei...@verizon.net wrote: My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels.  She is running Office

Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem

2009-09-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Have you tried saving it in an older format for import? Stewart At 10:00 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote: My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels. She is running Office 2008 on her MacBook Pro running 10.5. I am running Office X on my iMac running 10.4.11. I can open

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Steve at Verizon
I was replying to the complaints about how horrible flying was today and how much better it was when it used to be federally regulated. I was just pointing out who did the deregulation. t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:50 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: If you are referring to the

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Steve at Verizon
t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy beyond its means. Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Steve at Verizon
Actually, I am a liberal concerning airline deregulation. It opened inexpensive air travel to the masses. Competition brought us Peoples Express (remember them?) and then SW and Jet Blue. Granted, flying in coach today is much like taking the bus as far as amenities. I remember flying before

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread mike
It's all ok, Geithner and O are asking congress to raise the debt ceiling to 12t. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Steve at Verizon stevet...@verizon.netwrote: t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Dunford
When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. Come on, Mike. First, facts HAVE been argued here, rather extensively. Second, Democrat party -IS- name-calling. It's intentional and demeaning. Wikipedia characterizes it as an epithet. Joseph McCarthy

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Steve at Verizon
t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread b_s-wilk
Actually, there are quite a few reasons to be in space. In addition to GPS, weather satellites, and warnings of solar flares [which, if large enough, can fry your iPod, your computer, and the entire electrical grid], the space program can warn about continent-killing asteroids. And, if we do

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread b_s-wilk
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:56 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy beyond its means. Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is here:

[CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears

2009-09-11 Thread Gail.Miller
Hello. I need your help. Yesterday my computer rebooted itself unexpectedly. And when it was all ready to go again, there was no Outlook Express. Moreover, I couldn't find it in the Program Files or by going to add or remove programs. So I did a system restore to the previous day. There it was

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread mike
Sounds like here when you...'discuss' computer topics with Tom. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a moron, an idiot, a

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-11 Thread db
Thanks Jennifer, I imagine this will take care of the issue... and must have been what I remember seeing something about. Not necessary with normal email servers but Google's seems to keep track of which mails were accessed ... and doesn't dish them out again ... even if they weren't

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: But this is White House projections!!! See: That is a projection of the debt. What is the GDP increase expected to be over the same period? I'll give you a hint: What is one divided by one, genius? About the only thing this

Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Dunford
I don't know what's happening on your system, but Outlook Express is msimn.exe. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Gail.Miller Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:12 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears

2009-09-11 Thread MrMike6by9
Date:Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:12:26 -0400 From:Gail.Miller gail.mil...@comcast.net Subject: Outlook Express Disappears Hello. I need your help. Yesterday my computer rebooted itself unexpectedly. And when it was all ready to go again, there was no Outlook Express. Moreover, I couldn't

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread mike
Funny neither have you. We'll just decide those guys over there are idiots, and you are a moron...that's my clinical assessment. Play out your socialist fantasies elsewhere, it's hard enough dealing with your made up neomicrosofticon bogey men when you pretend to know something about computers.

Re: [CGUYS] the moon [and solar flares]

2009-09-11 Thread Constance Warner
I wouldn't bet on an iPod, or any other electronic device, working after an EMP in the vicinity. A solar flare, however, is a different kettle of fish. A historical case: in 1859, an unusually intense solar flare (the Carrington Event) induced high voltage in telegraph wires, disrupting

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-11 Thread db
The reason that all the rest of the world who have universal health care has a 5% admin overhead and our non-universal health care has an admin overhead of 18-25% is exactly demonstrated by your experience with your wife's prescription. Most doctors in the US have more billing staff than they

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Paul Cannon
Here is my attempt to steer the topic toward some sort of computer relevancy. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/ I will probably get bashed for suggesting factcheck.org but I like the idea of (a non-partisan, nonprofit website that describes itself as a 'consumer

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-11 Thread b_s-wilk
The reason that all the rest of the world who have universal health care has a 5% admin overhead and our non-universal health care has an admin overhead of 18-25% is exactly demonstrated by your experience with your wife's prescription... No matter how the world's varied universal health

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
I used to have a site for that engine bookmarked, but I can't find it now. And I can't remember what it's called so I can't search for it. But from what I remember they almost had it completed and were in the testing phase. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
This makes no sense to me. Control is control, regardless of who's doing it. So it's ok for your neighbor to tell you what you can or can't do, but not for that sap from Maine directing what you can or can't do? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
I used to fly mostly out of Seattle and mainly to places on the west coast. However, I have been to Florida and Hawaii quite a few times over the past 20 or so years. I haven't noticed prices changing that drastically. With the exception of flying first class to Hawaii this last time. No

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
I have to admit, I love computers, the internet and email lists. They are such fun. Nothing electronic has kept my interest longer. Not even Nintendo or Sega. Those were fun for a couple of years, but they get boring. Email lists never seem to get boring. Long live the internet. Jeff

Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears

2009-09-11 Thread Gail.Miller
Thanks so much Chris and Mr. Mike for your quick responses. As to how my IE is working -- I've hated it (and it is mercilessly S L O W) since Windows automatically downloaded IE 8. So I think i'll start using a different browser. I have to wonder, though, why McAfee (which seems to download

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Eric S. Sande
Here's another example: the space station, where not much science is getting done by the three-person crew. Up to six now. There are currently two Soyuz spacecraft on station at a given time, since May 29, 2009. To be precise, TMA-14 and TMA-15 are docked at the Pirs nadir port and the

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
It's becoming one busy place. I've thought about what my great grandkids would think about our arguments over manned space flight. Do you think they'd be looking at us like we look at those who argued man wasn't meant to fly? Time seems to go by so fast. I was reminded of this when

Re: [CGUYS] drobo - back up and storage

2009-09-11 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:10 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Business Her Way wrote: Are any of you using any of these storage/back up units? And if yes, how is it working for you? You did not state the application, but for 99 out of 100 it is

Re: [CGUYS] Outlook Express Disappears

2009-09-11 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
FWIW I wouldn't use IE on a PC as my main browser. FIrefox is a better replacement. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Gail.Miller gail.mil...@comcast.netwrote: Thanks so much Chris and Mr. Mike for your quick responses. As to how my IE is working -- I've hated it (and it is mercilessly S L O

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:15 AM Sep 11, mike wrote: Socialism is a word like any other, a construct of humans and governments. Neither good nor bad, Tom is being mighty ignorant here since both the nazi and soviets called themselves and acted in great part in a socialistic way. Another

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-11 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:44 AM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: t.piwowar wrote: Nonesense. What are you comparing that number to? Your pay check? Properly you look at it as percent of GDP. A proper analysis is here: http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif This was the Bush

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread db
Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015 ... a mere years after completion so we can pay for manned missions going back to the moon or to Mars or just wandering around out in space. Why would that be? Anybody notice a striking

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread db
I should have called that one ... Shoot the Moon ... go baby go ... roll those dice ! :) db db wrote: Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015 ... a mere years after completion so we can pay for manned missions going back to the

Re: [CGUYS] Word/Excel merge problem

2009-09-11 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: My wife emailed me an Excel database to merge into mailing labels. She is running Office 2008 on her MacBook Pro running 10.5. I am running Office X on my iMac running 10.4.11. Oh gawd, Office X used to be the buggiest version of

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
It's late and I'm tired so your sarcasm kind of went over my head. So with this post I'm not sure what your really think. But the us can't shut down the space station. We don't own it. I think it's called the ISS for a reason. Hell, the Russians are broke and seem to be docking there more

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-11 Thread Eric S. Sande
Yeh ... and the US announced something er other about wanting to shut the Space Station down in 2015... Ain't going to happen. The Russkies have the operations stuff down pat, they've got a LOT of on orbit expertise, and the ESA and JAXA have a lot of money invested in those labs. Now that