Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 12:04 PM, mike wrote: You need to read more. Geithner is monetizing our debt and Obama and team want to raise our debt ceiling again, this has been done several times by both parties. This isn't about some hated neocon vs liberal wackos, this is both parties ripping us

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 3:21 PM Sep 17, Fred Holmes wrote: If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape to. I can think of lots of places. Have you been denied a

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
> If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can > drop the insurance and go > with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape > to. And there's no other insurance company to escape to if you have a preexisting condition. You'd just bet

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Jordan
Fred Holmes wrote: At 02:46 AM 9/17/2009, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: It is insane to think that a faceless corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someon

Re: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
Thanks for this, valuable insight. --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:47 PM

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Fred Holmes
At 02:46 AM 9/17/2009, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: >It is insane to think that a faceless >corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, the

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
QED --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:38 PM Since you address me in this section I'll assume you missed the part of

[CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
What makes you think I believe it's a golden devil? iPod touch = the cool. Also on a related note of sorts. I emailed the list about choices in cell phones and service, and the comments were all helpful. I had almost decided for sure I was going to get the new mytouch from Tmobile. I had wante

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Since you address me in this section I'll assume you missed the part of this thread where a dozen others were having their spitting matches? If you don't like the thread, don't open it, while this is a computer list we do get into other topics but they usually are fairly well marked as non compute

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
This goes across party lines to the fact that Congress listens to and acts in the best interests of lobbyists and no longer the local guy who elected him. I just got finished listening to a program on NPR (Diane Rheems show) where she interviewed an author who traced the problems with derivat

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
fit of everyone.  We who come here have grown tired of pre-adolescent spitting matches. Thank you. --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17,

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread b_s-wilk
> What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other > side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner > ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted > Stevens or Charlie Rangel. Actually, what I think is that each side eithe

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
keeps those screwing us happy because it keeps the spotlight off what they are doing. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:21 AM, chad evans wyatt wrote: > Ummm.. Equating thousands to billions? > > --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike wrote: > > From: mike > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
Ummm.. Equating thousands to billions?  --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike wrote: From: mike Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:30 AM No, I accidentally hit the send button on

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
> What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other > side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner > ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted > Stevens or Charlie Rangel. Actually, what I think is that each side either

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM, mike wrote: > No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. > > What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other > side.  For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner > ripping us off.  For every wall street

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Mike wrote: > On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, "phartz...@gmail.com" > wrote: >> >> The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and >> financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. >> >>  Steve Yes, I did write that. Do you fin

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Mike
On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, "phartz...@gmail.com" wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve *** ** ** List info, subsc

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:46 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > It is insane to think that a faceless > corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. Unless, of course, you are a 100% pure and unadulterated capitalist, closed minded to any alternative. In order to remain compl

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM, mike wrote: > Funny neither have you. We'll just decide those guys over there are > idiots, > and you are a moron...that's my clinical assessment. Play out your > socialist fantasies elsewhere, it's hard enough dealing with your made up > neomicrosofticon bogey

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Jeff Miles
I have to admit, I love computers, the internet and email lists. They are such fun. Nothing electronic has kept my interest longer. Not even Nintendo or Sega. Those were fun for a couple of years, but they get boring. Email lists never seem to get boring. Long live the internet. Jeff Mile

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Paul Cannon
Here is my attempt to steer the topic toward some sort of computer relevancy. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/ I will probably get bashed for suggesting factcheck.org but I like the idea of (a non-partisan, nonprofit website that describes itself as a "'consumer advoc

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread mike
Funny neither have you. We'll just decide those guys over there are idiots, and you are a moron...that's my clinical assessment. Play out your socialist fantasies elsewhere, it's hard enough dealing with your made up neomicrosofticon bogey men when you pretend to know something about computers.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM Sep 11, mike wrote: When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. You have not presented any facts, just lots of con/neocon fantasy shibboleths. You have not been able to process any of the real-world facts that have

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM Sep 11, Steve at Verizon wrote: But this is White House projections!!! See: That is a projection of the debt. What is the GDP increase expected to be over the same period? I'll give you a hint: What is one divided by one, genius? About the only thing this discu

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread mike
Sounds like here when you...'discuss' computer topics with Tom. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > > And as far as name-calling goes, I'm a regular poster on several > conservative forums. If I had a buck for every time I've been called a > moron, an idiot, a dimwit, a tro

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Steve at Verizon
t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to t

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Dunford
> When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. > Or call names. Come on, Mike. First, facts HAVE been argued here, rather extensively. Second, "Democrat party" -IS- name-calling. It's intentional and demeaning. Wikipedia characterizes it as an "epithet". Joseph McCa

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread mike
When they can't argue facts, the Democrats will argue spelling apparently. Or call names. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:42 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Jeff Morris escribió: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, >> and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: Yo

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-11 Thread b_s-wilk
Jeff Morris escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about things. .

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow what memories. I used to have a print of that New Yorker cover hanging on my wall. The 80's, where did they go? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:18 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 10,

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Obama claims that nationalizing health care will create jobs. The only jobs that will be created are government jobs. On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: Government produces no wealth and adds absolutely nothing to the gross nation

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: One can draw some conclusions from the health care debate...this chief among them: Obama is a radical liberal at best...a socialist at worst. Same with Pelosi and Reid. I can't imagine any clear thinking person anywhere wants our country run

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:21 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: I find this to be true also: The greedy aren't the capitalists. They are trying to make a living and I say power to them. So you think the corporations who cancel your health insurance the moment you get sick are fine upstanding examples of m

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Morris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about things. What I am looking for