Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Any news from the board? Karl On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I've been following the JIRA issue. I'm actually more curious about the board's opinion of the name choice. Karl On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
The general consensus from Board members expressing an opinion (and it was not a call for a binding vote, so it is not officially a Board decision, but is rather the opinion of a couple of Board members) was that the name is less than ideal, but no action by the Board should be taken to stop it. That being said, those who did express an opinion felt the name was less than ideal. Several other ASF Members also felt it was a less than ideal name. Also, my two cents: The views of these Board members at this time should not be construed to be the views of some future Board reviewing a TLP Graduation request. In other words, the Board is elected once a year. Opinions could change enough that they could still say no to the name in the future. Short of graduation vote, I don't see a way around that. I don't think you would get the Board to vote on a future event of this nature that binds some future Board to a particular position. So, I guess it is up to the community at this point. I personally feel ManifoldCF is the best choice at this point, as it removes the risk around the genericness of ACF and also removes the trademark concern around the 2nd most popular name choice of Manifold. I don't like Yukon or Macon as I think they are too generic in the broader world (GMC Yukon, Yukon Territories, Macon GA) such that our SEO is limited, thereby making it harder for people to find us. At the same time, the current vote has passed not just here, but also up the chain, so if it goes forward, so be it. -Grant On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news from the board? Karl On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I've been following the JIRA issue. I'm actually more curious about the board's opinion of the name choice. Karl On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Do you think it would be appropriate to call a formal vote in the community, structured as a choice between ACF and ManifoldCF? I think we need to clarify the position of the community relative to your specific proposal. Karl On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: The general consensus from Board members expressing an opinion (and it was not a call for a binding vote, so it is not officially a Board decision, but is rather the opinion of a couple of Board members) was that the name is less than ideal, but no action by the Board should be taken to stop it. That being said, those who did express an opinion felt the name was less than ideal. Several other ASF Members also felt it was a less than ideal name. Also, my two cents: The views of these Board members at this time should not be construed to be the views of some future Board reviewing a TLP Graduation request. In other words, the Board is elected once a year. Opinions could change enough that they could still say no to the name in the future. Short of graduation vote, I don't see a way around that. I don't think you would get the Board to vote on a future event of this nature that binds some future Board to a particular position. So, I guess it is up to the community at this point. I personally feel ManifoldCF is the best choice at this point, as it removes the risk around the genericness of ACF and also removes the trademark concern around the 2nd most popular name choice of Manifold. I don't like Yukon or Macon as I think they are too generic in the broader world (GMC Yukon, Yukon Territories, Macon GA) such that our SEO is limited, thereby making it harder for people to find us. At the same time, the current vote has passed not just here, but also up the chain, so if it goes forward, so be it. -Grant On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news from the board? Karl On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I've been following the JIRA issue. I'm actually more curious about the board's opinion of the name choice. Karl On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Yes, I've been following the JIRA issue. I'm actually more curious about the board's opinion of the name choice. Karl On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Done. I'll keep you posted. On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com wrote: ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? This whole name vote / discussion created lots of noise - we finally got to a decision and we should make sure it won't prevent us from graduation. Loosing a name during grad. process would be horrible IMO. +1 -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
+1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
+1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
You have until 5 PM Friday to tally your final vote. Bear in mind, however, that changing your vote to achieve a desired outcome may well cause others to change their votes to counteract your move. So I urge people to change your vote ONLY if you want to add Apache Datasource Connectors into your list somewhere. Karl On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: Hmmm... so we can change our votes? I am toying with voting Manifold for all three choices since I would prefer an Apache-style short abstract name and that is the leading one so far. I haven't decided for sure yet. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:02 AM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name A late entry has been added: Apache Datasource Connectors. If you would like to change your vote to include this option, please revote, and I will adjust accordingly. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Rounding the first bend, the horses are neck-and-neck, and the scores are as follows: Apache Connectors Framework 18 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 To obtain these, I gave 3 points to someone's first choice, 2 points to their second, and 1 point to the final choice. For Robert, I gave all 6 points to his only choice. But even without that, the order of the results is currently clear... Remember, the voting is still open, so don't hesitate to chime in! Karl On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry. I stand corrected, and the vote will remain open until Friday evening. Karl On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: FYI, votes are always open for 3 days. Here's mine: Apache ManifoldCF Apache Connectors Framework Apache Manifold On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Karl Wright wrote: FWIW, I am hoping to close the vote and tally the results after 5 PM EDT today. So vote early, and vote often! ;-) Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Manifold On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Simon Willnauer simon.willna...@googlemail.com wrote: Apache Manifold Apache Connectors Framework Apache Omni On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I think this vote will conclusively demonstrate the community position to the solons at incubator. They can choose to ignore the vote, of course, but they won't be able to say we didn't consider alternatives. ;-) Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: I think its pretty clear that unless the lords of the incubator *force* us to do otherwise, we should just leave it as Apache Connectors Framework. The vote is going to end up reflecting that is my bet anyway. I havn't seen anyone that's actually involved (if you can say anyone beyond karl is really involved anyway) is really dying for a change. - Mark On 8/31/10 8:07 PM, Robert Muir wrote: you can ignore my vote really :) but i was thinking from a practical perspective, this one involves the least code changes. plus, with existing projects named things like apache DB and apache http server, i don't understand the fuss. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Well, you've made your feelings clear. ;-) Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com wrote: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework (sorry) On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl -- Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com -- Jettro Coenradie http://www.gridshore.nl
[VOTE] Pick your preferred name
I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
1. Apache Yukon 2. Apache Macon 3. Apache Lukon -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:44 PM To: connectors-dev connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
My preferences: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Manifold Apache Acromantula Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Apache Manifold Apache Connectors Framework Apache Yukon - mark On 8/31/10 6:54 PM, Karl Wright wrote: My preferences: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Manifold Apache Acromantula Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Don't know if this is an open vote... but if it is: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Yukon Apache Manifold -- Thanks, Matt Weber 3:58 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: Apache Manifold Apache Connectors Framework Apache Yukon - mark On 8/31/10 6:54 PM, Karl Wright wrote: My preferences: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Manifold Apache Acromantula Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl -- Thanks, Matt Weber
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Well, you've made your feelings clear. ;-) Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com wrote: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework (sorry) On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl -- Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
you can ignore my vote really :) but i was thinking from a practical perspective, this one involves the least code changes. plus, with existing projects named things like apache DB and apache http server, i don't understand the fuss. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Well, you've made your feelings clear. ;-) Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com wrote: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework (sorry) On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl -- Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com -- Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com
Re: [VOTE] Pick your preferred name
I think this vote will conclusively demonstrate the community position to the solons at incubator. They can choose to ignore the vote, of course, but they won't be able to say we didn't consider alternatives. ;-) Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Mark Miller markrmil...@gmail.com wrote: I think its pretty clear that unless the lords of the incubator *force* us to do otherwise, we should just leave it as Apache Connectors Framework. The vote is going to end up reflecting that is my bet anyway. I havn't seen anyone that's actually involved (if you can say anyone beyond karl is really involved anyway) is really dying for a change. - Mark On 8/31/10 8:07 PM, Robert Muir wrote: you can ignore my vote really :) but i was thinking from a practical perspective, this one involves the least code changes. plus, with existing projects named things like apache DB and apache http server, i don't understand the fuss. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Well, you've made your feelings clear. ;-) Karl On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com wrote: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework Apache Connectors Framework (sorry) On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is un-Apache-like, but please respond to the following list with a selection, in order, of the top three names for the project currently known as Apache Connectors Framework. The choices are: Apache Connectors Framework Apache Acromantula Apache Manifold Apache ManifoldCF Apache Multiplex Apache Lucon Apache Lukon Apache Yukon Apache Macon Apache Omni Apache Omnivore Apache CMCF (yes, I just invented that one ;-) ) Apache Multivore (yes, I just invented that one too. ;-) ) I don't think I missed any? If I did, chastise me severely please. ;-) Karl -- Robert Muir rcm...@gmail.com
