Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-06 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Mar 05, 2002 at 09:38:16AM +, richard bown wrote: I also only make reference to the newbies here because everyone else seems to want to continually point out that Mandrake is for newbies, so those who want to use Mandrake as an expert (I guess) are stuck with some newbiezed

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-06 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Mar 05, 2002 at 05:01:32AM -0800, David Walser wrote: Not to sound silly or anything, but apache is a web server... we build and configure it as web server. Our aim, with apache, is for it to be a web server. Now, I agree that there are probably a million and one uses for

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-05 Thread richard bown
On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 05:50, Vincent Danen wrote: I also only make reference to the newbies here because everyone else seems to want to continually point out that Mandrake is for newbies, so those who want to use Mandrake as an expert (I guess) are stuck with some newbiezed software

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-05 Thread David Walser
--- Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to sound silly or anything, but apache is a web server... we build and configure it as web server. Our aim, with apache, is for it to be a web server. Now, I agree that there are probably a million and one uses for apache, but really...

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Vincent Danen
On Sat Mar 02, 2002 at 10:55:55PM -0800, David Walser wrote: No, not for me it's not that hard to turn on, but I remember the first time I used Apache, RH 5.2 days. All I had to do was install it, and it was fully functional, it was great! I didn't know anything about web servers at the

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread David Walser
--- Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you talking about? Enabling Indexes by default somehow makes Apache work whereas having it off by default doesn't? Did it ever occur to you that people use Apache for more than serving websites? Especially desktop users on networks, your

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Mar 04 15:50 -0700, Vincent Danen wrote: Apache works just *fine* without Indexes. And because it is, potentially, a security hole (through inappropriate disclosure), the end user should be forced to enable it where appropriate... which is exactly the case. Yes, but every case that I

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Mar 04, 2002 at 10:08:08PM -0500, Levi Ramsey wrote: Apache works just *fine* without Indexes. And because it is, potentially, a security hole (through inappropriate disclosure), the end user should be forced to enable it where appropriate... which is exactly the case. Yes,

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Mar 04, 2002 at 06:44:06PM -0800, David Walser wrote: What are you talking about? Enabling Indexes by default somehow makes Apache work whereas having it off by default doesn't? Did it ever occur to you that people use Apache for more than serving websites? Especially

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Steven J Mackenzie
on the 'net. Everybody Apache user I know (that use it on workstations) do the same things. I agree that this will cause annoy more people than it will help .. imho Steven

[Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread richard bown
Hi all I 've had to go back to 81 Whatever you have done with security is a disaster Telneting in to the public interface, ie the one connected to the internet,,impossible no matter what, and rules are loaded to iptables, all thats eeen is martin errors in the syslog I use xinetd for port

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Garrick Staples
Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under security)? On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:15:29PM +, richard bown alleged: Hi all I 've had to go back to 81 Whatever you have done with security is a disaster Telneting in to the

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread richard bown
On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under security)? No Garrick , I prefer to manually flush iptables, then just to make sure bastill-netfilter stop that opens it up like a barn

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Garrick Staples
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:51:30PM +, richard bown alleged: On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under security)? No Garrick , I prefer to manually flush iptables,

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread richard bown
On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 23:04, Garrick Staples wrote: On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:51:30PM +, richard bown alleged: On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under security)?

RE: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread David Gleba
Subject: Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 23:04, Garrick Staples wrote: On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:51:30PM +, richard bown alleged: On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread David Walser
I agree. Having Indexes turned off by default in Apache is a PAIN and is useful to almost nobody. --- richard bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you guys are so paranoid over security, this time you've gone far too far MSEC level 99 is not required.

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:42:40PM -0800, David Walser wrote: I agree. Having Indexes turned off by default in Apache is a PAIN and is useful to almost nobody. I don't think so. It's not that hard to turn on anyway. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org What difference does

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread David Walser
No, not for me it's not that hard to turn on, but I remember the first time I used Apache, RH 5.2 days. All I had to do was install it, and it was fully functional, it was great! I didn't know anything about web servers at the time, I didn't know it would be that easy (thought I would have to

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:55:55PM -0800, David Walser wrote: No, not for me it's not that hard to turn on, but I remember the first time I used Apache, RH 5.2 days. All I had to do was install it, and it was fully functional, it was great! I didn't know anything about web servers at the