Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-06 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Mar 05, 2002 at 05:01:32AM -0800, David Walser wrote: > > Not to sound silly or anything, but apache is a web > > server... we build > > and configure it as web server. Our aim, with > > apache, is for it to be > > a web server. Now, I agree that there are probably > > a million and one

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-06 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Mar 05, 2002 at 09:38:16AM +, richard bown wrote: > > I also only make reference to the newbies here because everyone else > > seems to want to continually point out that Mandrake is for newbies, > > so those who want to use Mandrake as an "expert" (I guess) are stuck > > with some new

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-05 Thread David Walser
--- Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to sound silly or anything, but apache is a web > server... we build > and configure it as web server. Our aim, with > apache, is for it to be > a web server. Now, I agree that there are probably > a million and one > uses for apache, but reall

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-05 Thread richard bown
On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 05:50, Vincent Danen wrote: > > I also only make reference to the newbies here because everyone else > seems to want to continually point out that Mandrake is for newbies, > so those who want to use Mandrake as an "expert" (I guess) are stuck > with some newbiezed software

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Steven J Mackenzie
> on the 'net. Everybody Apache user I know (that use > it on workstations) do the same things. I agree that this will cause annoy more people than it will help .. imho Steven

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Mar 04, 2002 at 06:44:06PM -0800, David Walser wrote: > > What are you talking about? Enabling Indexes by > > default somehow makes > > Apache work whereas having it off by default > > doesn't? > > Did it ever occur to you that people use Apache for > more than serving websites? Especia

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Mar 04, 2002 at 10:08:08PM -0500, Levi Ramsey wrote: > > Apache works just *fine* without Indexes. And because it is, > > potentially, a security hole (through inappropriate disclosure), the > > end user should be forced to enable it where appropriate... which is > > exactly the case. >

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Mar 04 15:50 -0700, Vincent Danen wrote: > Apache works just *fine* without Indexes. And because it is, > potentially, a security hole (through inappropriate disclosure), the > end user should be forced to enable it where appropriate... which is > exactly the case. Yes, but every case tha

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread David Walser
--- Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are you talking about? Enabling Indexes by > default somehow makes > Apache work whereas having it off by default > doesn't? Did it ever occur to you that people use Apache for more than serving websites? Especially desktop users on networks,

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-04 Thread Vincent Danen
On Sat Mar 02, 2002 at 10:55:55PM -0800, David Walser wrote: > No, not for me it's not that hard to turn on, but I > remember the first time I used Apache, RH 5.2 days. > All I had to do was install it, and it was fully > functional, it was great! I didn't know anything > about web servers at t

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:55:55PM -0800, David Walser wrote: > No, not for me it's not that hard to turn on, but I > remember the first time I used Apache, RH 5.2 days. > All I had to do was install it, and it was fully > functional, it was great! I didn't know anything > about web servers at t

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread David Walser
No, not for me it's not that hard to turn on, but I remember the first time I used Apache, RH 5.2 days. All I had to do was install it, and it was fully functional, it was great! I didn't know anything about web servers at the time, I didn't know it would be that easy (thought I would have to co

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:42:40PM -0800, David Walser wrote: > I agree. Having Indexes turned off by default in > Apache is a PAIN and is useful to almost nobody. I don't think so. It's not that hard to turn on anyway. -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org What difference do

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread David Walser
I agree. Having Indexes turned off by default in Apache is a PAIN and is useful to almost nobody. --- richard bown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you guys are so paranoid over security, this time > you've gone far too > far MSEC level 99 is not required. __

RE: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread David Gleba
ooker Subject: Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 23:04, Garrick Staples wrote: > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:51:30PM +, richard bown alleged: > > On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: > > > Um, 'chkconfig

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread richard bown
On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 23:04, Garrick Staples wrote: > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:51:30PM +, richard bown alleged: > > On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: > > > Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? > > > > > > Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under sec

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Garrick Staples
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:51:30PM +, richard bown alleged: > On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: > > Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? > > > > Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under security)? > > > > > No Garrick , I prefer to manually flush ip

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread richard bown
On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 22:23, Garrick Staples wrote: > Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? > > Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under security)? > > No Garrick , I prefer to manually flush iptables, then just to make sure bastill-netfilter stop that opens it up like a

Re: [Cooker] install report 8.2b3 , the martian invasion

2002-03-02 Thread Garrick Staples
Um, 'chkconfig iptables off'? rpm -e msec? Or, disable firewalling in the control center (it's under security)? On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 10:15:29PM +, richard bown alleged: > Hi all > I 've had to go back to 8.1. > Whatever you have done with security is a disaster. > > Telneting in to th