Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > Yeah, and the user who uses Lynx on Windows 95, I know I know… No you don't. Those who use Lynx will not be affected by font fall-back issues. In trying to ridicule my concern for the majority, you seem to fall back to strawman arguments from the 1990s. > I descri

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > Usually you don't even know if the user has the font activated or not... :-). This is a little off-topic for CSS-D, but still pertinent, so I hope the question will be acceptable to most : is it possible, using JavaScript or otherwise, to interrogate the DOM to fin

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On Jul 15, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > >> A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. > > But most users, or (to be cautious) at least a non-negligible share like 40% > of users, seem to be using an OS / browser that in non-modern by your > imp

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. But most users, or (to be cautious) at least a non-negligible share like 40% of users, seem to be using an OS / browser that in non-modern by your implicit definition. > p { font-family: font-a, font-b, font-c, serif;

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On 7/13/10 5:07 AM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > >> What I describe is actually the expected behaviour per CSS 2.1 >> /3-fonts… > > OK, even better news :-) Very many thanks. ** Phil. FWIW - That has been my experience with various language fonts--ev

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On 07/13/2010 12:45 PM, Bob Rosenberg wrote: > > The problem is two fold (in my opinion). > > First is that unlike with printing use, there is no "Font of Last > Resort" fall-back. That support says to use the defined font BUT if > there are glyphs in the text which are not in the font then to > at

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

At 8:51 PM +0900 on 07/13/2010, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote about Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode: >A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. You can specify a >fallback font if your first choice is not available: > >p { font-family: font-a, font-b, font-c, serif;}

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On Tuesday 2010-07-13 09:57 +0100, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > Is there, therefore, in CSS, some way of specifying as a part of the > font fallback sequence that any font selected as a result of fallback > must support a specific subset of Unicode such that the page can be > guarantee

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

fantasai wrote: > Was there something else you wanted? Dear Fantasai : many thanks for demonstrating that I was incorrect in my belief that the font-fallback mechanism has not evolved over time; I am extremely pleased that this is the case. As to whether there is anything else in this area tha

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On 07/13/2010 03:38 AM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Michael Adams wrote: > >> Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the range you >> are >> using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per >> paragraph basis. For *my* Linux "Nimbus Roman

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > What I describe is actually the expected behaviour per CSS 2.1 /3-fonts… OK, even better news :-) Very many thanks. ** Phil. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. [snip] Thank you, Phillipe : a very interesting summary. It is certainly useful to know what the behaviour of most current rendering engines is, but of course unless it is actually enshrined in the specification, one

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > I have presumably chosen my primary font not only because I feel its > aesthetics are appropriate but also because it supports the necessary > subset of Unicode to correctly display the characters that make up > the page. But

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Michael Adams wrote: > On Tuesday 13 July 2010 23:02, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > >> I think that there is a great deal of unintentional racism in >> the US-English-centric web that we use today, but the last time >> a group of us tried to raise this as a serious issue within the >>

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On Tuesday 13 July 2010 23:02, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > I think that there is a great deal of unintentional racism in > the US-English-centric web that we use today, but the last time > a group of us tried to raise this as a serious issue within the > CSS working group, one of th

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Chris Blake wrote: > > On 13/07/2010, at 6:38 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: >> [T]he CSS fallback mechanism was formulated at a time when Unicode >> was not yet prevalent, and does not seem to have evolved to >> cope with the need to have greater control over the fallback >> font s

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On 13/07/2010, at 6:38 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Michael Adams wrote: > >> Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the >> range you are >> using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per >> paragraph basis. For *my* Linux "Nimbus

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Michael Adams wrote: > Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the range you are > using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per > paragraph basis. For *my* Linux "Nimbus Roman No9 L" may be a well populated > serif font and "Nimbus Sans L" as sans ser

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

On Tuesday 13 July 2010 20:57, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > If I have a page such as the following : > >"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";> > > > Armenian test > > BODY {font-family : "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif} > >

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Chris Blake wrote: > Hi, > > What about using CSS3 web fonts > http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator ? > Upload the font you want, it will generate all the different types, link > to them using the @fontface thing and bingo - they don't need that font > on their system. > > or am I dread

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

Hi, What about using CSS3 web fonts http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator ? Upload the font you want, it will generate all the different types, link to them using the @fontface thing and bingo - they don't need that font on their system. or am I dreadfully mistaken? BR, CB On 1

[css-d] Fonts, fall-backs & Unicode

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Re: [css-d] Fonts

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > In current versions of CSS, you can't manipulate or control those. As I > pointed out in my original answer [1], a future version of CSS fonts will > have additional properties: > My apologies for not paying attention. > >

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Victor Subervi wrote: > Actually, this doc, while being good, doesn't have anything at all to do > with my question concerning pantose-1. stemv, stemh, etc. and I still don't > know how to manipulate them to see what they do: In current versions of CSS, you can't man

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Victor Subervi wrote: > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > >> >> On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:34 AM, David Laakso wrote: >> >> > >> Note that is a very old draft. The current draft is: >>

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > > On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:34 AM, David Laakso wrote: > > > > Note that is a very old draft. The current draft is: > http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-webfonts/ > This is good. Thanks, V __

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:34 AM, David Laakso wrote: > Note that is a very old draft. The current draft is: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-webfonts/ And I linked to what the editor is working on in my previous message Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbe

Re: [css-d] Fonts

Victor Subervi wrote: > Hi; > Googled for a tutorial and/or examples (so I can see in action) what happens > when one plays around with the values for panose-1, stemh, stemw, slope, > cap-height, etc. Got any ideas? > TIA, > Victor > > The obvious happens. Sometimes. All else takes longer.

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On Jun 13, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Victor Subervi wrote: > Googled for a tutorial and/or examples (so I can see in action) what happens > when one plays around with the values for panose-1, stemh, stemw, slope, > cap-height, etc. Got any ideas? I don't really understand your question here. Care to cla

[css-d] Fonts

Hi; Googled for a tutorial and/or examples (so I can see in action) what happens when one plays around with the values for panose-1, stemh, stemw, slope, cap-height, etc. Got any ideas? TIA, Victor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-d

Re: [css-d] Fonts in Vista & Office 2007

bout CSS now ;o) F. - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "css-d" Sent: 06 February, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: [css-d] Fonts in Vista & Office 2007 >I installed Office 2007 on my box at work and really like some of th

Re: [css-d] Fonts in Vista & Office 2007

That's rare... The way Microsloth operates I figured you need to buy them. Cheers - On Feb 5, 2008 10:30 PM, Chris Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Google is your friend. Google "font calibri" and you'll find your answer. > Such the second result -- this post: > > > http://labnol.blogspot

Re: [css-d] Fonts in Vista & Office 2007

On 2008/02/05 23:50 (GMT-0500) Geoffrey Hoffman apparently typed: > I installed Office 2007 on my box at work and really like some of the new > fonts that came with it. > http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-new-microsoft-fonts/ > Anyone know if you can buy them separately s

Re: [css-d] Fonts in Vista & Office 2007

They are quite nice. See the first several hits on Google: http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=47&aid=78683 http://www.hunlock.com/blogs/Downloading_and_Using_Vista_Web_Fonts Will __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-d

Re: [css-d] Fonts in Vista & Office 2007

Google is your friend. Google "font calibri" and you'll find your answer. Such the second result -- this post: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/03/download-windows-vista-fonts-legally.html > From: Geoffrey Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [css-d] Fonts in

[css-d] Fonts in Vista & Office 2007

I installed Office 2007 on my box at work and really like some of the new fonts that came with it. http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-new-microsoft-fonts/ Anyone know if you can buy them separately somewhere? (I really don't need Office 2007 nor Vista on my Win XP box at ho

Re: [css-d] Fonts

Thanks for your post Richard. I get what you are saying about font licenses and I fully understand. The point of having a font accessible by the web would be that it wouldn't have to be installed natively on the machine ( gets rid of that performance hit) and of course you can't download

Re: [css-d] Fonts

Sorry for the delay in this post, I'm sure you thought I gave up but Chris thanks for your post but here's my counter. >If you create a movie that only works on 16x9 or needs colour you >cannot stop people from watching it on a TV in 4x3 or black and white. Does this mean that we don't

Re: [css-d] Fonts

> That's great and all but you didn't answer my question. To me this > is the same problem that we had without CSS. We used tables and > other means to get the designs that we wanted. This is how I > interpret what you just told me. We have carefully thought and put > together 12 standard t-shi

Re: [css-d] Fonts

Nicholas Morgan wrote: > Thanks Bob for your replay. I just don't get why this is not a > priority. > > Does this mean that no one is going to do anything about this? I > think this is a big deal and something that should be worked on as > core for every browser. Not solving this problem

Re: [css-d] Fonts

Thanks Bob for your replay. I just don't get why this is not a priority. Does this mean that no one is going to do anything about this? I think this is a big deal and something that should be worked on as core for every browser. Not solving this problem just costs everyone more money, m

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On 06/05/21 15:34 (GMT-0400) Nicholas Morgan apparently typed: > There are thousands of ways to make arial look different but in the > end it is still arial. Or is it? http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html -- "All have sinned & fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** R

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On May 21, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Nicholas Morgan wrote: > I have read through css 2 standard and the font parts of css 3 and > this common problem is not addressed. Did I miss it? @font-face isn't what you're looking for ?

Re: [css-d] Fonts

David, That's great and all but you didn't answer my question. To me this is the same problem that we had without CSS. We used tables and other means to get the designs that we wanted. This is how I interpret what you just told me. We have carefully thought and put together 12 standard

Re: [css-d] Fonts

Nicholas Morgan wrote: > Alright. > > Issue: > No way for use to use more than non-standard fonts. > The current state of CSS, and standard fonts, is such that there few people in the entire world who have even scratched the surface of what is possible with what is available. Some typographers

[css-d] Fonts

Alright. Issue: No way for use to use more than non-standard fonts. "Solutions": Image replacement, auto generate them with scripting, flash.. ewww... None of these are solutions. They are all work-arounds for the problem. I have read through css 2 standard and the font parts of css 3 and t

Re: [css-d] Fonts and Site Check Please

Richard Brown wrote: I done a redesign on a site: http://www.swmug.co.uk/ The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all Windows and Linux browsers. Thanks. Additionally, I have used Papyrus as a font but I believe it is exclusively Mac. Is there a Windows equivalent please?

Re: [css-d] Fonts and Site Check Please

Richard Brown a écrit : Hi Guys I done a redesign on a site: http://www.swmug.co.uk/ The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all Windows and Linux browsers. Thanks. Additionally, I have used Papyrus as a font but I believe it is exclusively Mac. Is there a Windows equiv

Re: [css-d] Fonts and Site Check Please

Richard Brown wrote: http://www.swmug.co.uk/ The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all Windows and Linux browsers. Opera 8.5 and IE6 need: .square .boxcontent {padding-top: 1px;} ...or you'll have to zero out margin-top on form. Menu doesn't tolerate any font-resizing

[css-d] Fonts and Site Check Please

Hi Guys I done a redesign on a site: http://www.swmug.co.uk/ The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all Windows and Linux browsers. Thanks. Additionally, I have used Papyrus as a font but I believe it is exclusively Mac. Is there a Windows equivalent please? I can't fin

RE: [css-d] Fonts

> From: Joanne > > There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I > have no idea how to do it. There were two competing methods (aren't there always) of embedding fonts for the web. Neither really took off as far as I can tell. Webmonkey have an article on how to use both http://tiny

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On 5/25/05, Joanne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in "Eurostile". I > explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer. > Is this correct? > > > There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I have no idea how >

RE: [css-d] Fonts

> There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I > have no idea how to do it. It's done at > http://chris.pirillo.com/ if anyone knows how Chris did this? It appears that it only works in IE, even though it's part of the CSS 2 spec... Chris uses @font-face in his style sheet to load a

RE: [css-d] Fonts

I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in "Eurostile". I explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer. Is this correct? There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I have no idea how to do it. It's done at http://chris.pirillo.com/ if anyone k

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:55:03 -0400, Richard Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in "Eurostile". I explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer. Is this correct? Whilst thinking of fonts could someone direct me t

Re: [css-d] Fonts

Have you considered using sIFR? http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr Jeff -- The name's Jeff. I've got a website. http://www.vacantcanvas.com On 5/24/05, Chris Ovenden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/24/05, Richard Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have

Re: [css-d] Fonts

On 5/24/05, Richard Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in "Eurostile". I > explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer. > Is this correct? > You're right, but some people will have it or a font like it. I'm not

[css-d] Fonts

Hi I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in "Eurostile". I explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer. Is this correct? Whilst thinking of fonts could someone direct me to a site that lists the standard web fonts and how to display them? Thanks Ri