Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
Yeah, and the user who uses Lynx on Windows 95, I know I know…
No you don't. Those who use Lynx will not be affected by font fall-back
issues. In trying to ridicule my concern for the majority, you seem to fall
back to strawman arguments from the 1990s.
I
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
A modern OS / browser will do the job for you.
But most users, or (to be cautious) at least a non-negligible share like 40%
of users, seem to be using an OS / browser that in non-modern by your
implicit definition.
p { font-family: font-a, font-b, font-c, serif;}
On Jul 15, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
A modern OS / browser will do the job for you.
But most users, or (to be cautious) at least a non-negligible share like 40%
of users, seem to be using an OS / browser that in non-modern by your
implicit
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
Usually you don't even know if the user has the font activated or not... :-).
This is a little off-topic for CSS-D, but still pertinent,
so I hope the question will be acceptable to most : is
it possible, using JavaScript or otherwise, to interrogate
the DOM to
On 7/13/10 5:07 AM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
What I describe is actually the expected behaviour per CSS 2.1
/3-fonts…
OK, even better news :-) Very many thanks. ** Phil.
FWIW - That has been my experience with various language fonts--even
when
If I have a page such as the following :
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd;
html
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8
titleArmenian test/title
style type=text/css
Hi,
What about using CSS3 web fonts http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator
?
Upload the font you want, it will generate all the different types,
link to them using the @fontface thing and bingo - they don't need
that font on their system.
or am I dreadfully mistaken?
BR, CB
On
Chris Blake wrote:
Hi,
What about using CSS3 web fonts
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator ?
Upload the font you want, it will generate all the different types, link
to them using the @fontface thing and bingo - they don't need that font
on their system.
or am I dreadfully
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 20:57, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
If I have a page such as the following :
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; html
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8
Michael Adams wrote:
Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the range you are
using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per
paragraph basis. For *my* Linux Nimbus Roman No9 L may be a well populated
serif font and Nimbus Sans L as sans serif
On 13/07/2010, at 6:38 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Michael Adams wrote:
Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the
range you are
using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per
paragraph basis. For *my* Linux Nimbus Roman No9 L
Chris Blake wrote:
On 13/07/2010, at 6:38 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
[T]he CSS fallback mechanism was formulated at a time when Unicode
was not yet prevalent, and does not seem to have evolved to
cope with the need to have greater control over the fallback
font selected
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 23:02, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
I think that there is a great deal of unintentional racism in
the US-English-centric web that we use today, but the last time
a group of us tried to raise this as a serious issue within the
CSS working group, one of the
Michael Adams wrote:
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 23:02, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
I think that there is a great deal of unintentional racism in
the US-English-centric web that we use today, but the last time
a group of us tried to raise this as a serious issue within the
CSS
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
I have presumably chosen my primary font not only because I feel its
aesthetics are appropriate but also because it supports the necessary
subset of Unicode to correctly display the characters that make up
the page. But if
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. [snip]
Thank you, Phillipe : a very interesting summary. It is
certainly useful to know what the behaviour of most current
rendering engines is, but of course unless it is actually
enshrined in the specification, one
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
What I describe is actually the expected behaviour per CSS 2.1 /3-fonts…
OK, even better news :-) Very many thanks.
** Phil.
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On 07/13/2010 03:38 AM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Michael Adams wrote:
Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the range you
are
using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per
paragraph basis. For *my* Linux Nimbus Roman No9 L may
fantasai wrote:
Was there something else you wanted?
Dear Fantasai : many thanks for demonstrating that I was
incorrect in my belief that the font-fallback mechanism
has not evolved over time; I am extremely pleased that
this is the case. As to whether there is anything else
in this area
On Tuesday 2010-07-13 09:57 +0100, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Is there, therefore, in CSS, some way of specifying as a part of the
font fallback sequence that any font selected as a result of fallback
must support a specific subset of Unicode such that the page can be
guaranteed
At 8:51 PM +0900 on 07/13/2010, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote about Re:
[css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode:
A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. You can specify a
fallback font if your first choice is not available:
p { font-family: font-a, font-b, font-c, serif;}
Gecko, WebKit, Opera
On 07/13/2010 12:45 PM, Bob Rosenberg wrote:
The problem is two fold (in my opinion).
First is that unlike with printing use, there is no Font of Last
Resort fall-back. That support says to use the defined font BUT if
there are glyphs in the text which are not in the font then to
attempt to
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.comwrote:
In current versions of CSS, you can't manipulate or control those. As I
pointed out in my original answer [1], a future version of CSS fonts will
have additional properties:
My apologies for not paying attention.
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.comwrote:
On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:34 AM, David Laakso wrote:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-webfonts-20020802/
Note that is a very old draft. The current draft is:
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-webfonts/
This is good. Thanks,
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.comwrote:
On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:34 AM, David Laakso wrote:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-webfonts-20020802/
Note that is a very old draft.
On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
Actually, this doc, while being good, doesn't have anything at all to do
with my question concerning pantose-1. stemv, stemh, etc. and I still don't
know how to manipulate them to see what they do:
In current versions of CSS, you can't
Hi;
Googled for a tutorial and/or examples (so I can see in action) what happens
when one plays around with the values for panose-1, stemh, stemw, slope,
cap-height, etc. Got any ideas?
TIA,
Victor
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On Jun 13, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Victor Subervi wrote:
Googled for a tutorial and/or examples (so I can see in action) what happens
when one plays around with the values for panose-1, stemh, stemw, slope,
cap-height, etc. Got any ideas?
I don't really understand your question here. Care to
Victor Subervi wrote:
Hi;
Googled for a tutorial and/or examples (so I can see in action) what happens
when one plays around with the values for panose-1, stemh, stemw, slope,
cap-height, etc. Got any ideas?
TIA,
Victor
The obvious happens. Sometimes. All else takes longer.
On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:34 AM, David Laakso wrote:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-webfonts-20020802/
Note that is a very old draft. The current draft is:
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-webfonts/
And I linked to what the editor is working on in my previous message
Philippe
---
Philippe
I installed Office 2007 on my box at work and really like some of the new
fonts that came with it.
http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-new-microsoft-fonts/
Anyone know if you can buy them separately somewhere? (I really don't need
Office 2007 nor Vista on my Win XP box at
Google is your friend. Google font calibri and you'll find your answer.
Such the second result -- this post:
http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/03/download-windows-vista-fonts-legally.html
From: Geoffrey Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [css-d] Fonts in Vista Office 2007
I installed Office
They are quite nice.
See the first several hits on Google:
http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=47aid=78683
http://www.hunlock.com/blogs/Downloading_and_Using_Vista_Web_Fonts
Will
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On 2008/02/05 23:50 (GMT-0500) Geoffrey Hoffman apparently typed:
I installed Office 2007 on my box at work and really like some of the new
fonts that came with it.
http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-new-microsoft-fonts/
Anyone know if you can buy them separately
That's rare... The way Microsloth operates I figured you need to buy them.
Cheers -
On Feb 5, 2008 10:30 PM, Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Google is your friend. Google font calibri and you'll find your answer.
Such the second result -- this post:
now ;o)
F.
- Original Message -
From: Geoffrey Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: css-d css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: 06 February, 2008 6:50 AM
Subject: [css-d] Fonts in Vista Office 2007
I installed Office 2007 on my box at work and really like some of the new
fonts that came
Thanks for your post Richard.
I get what you are saying about font licenses and I fully
understand. The point of having a font accessible by the web would
be that it wouldn't have to be installed natively on the machine
( gets rid of that performance hit) and of course you can't download
Sorry for the delay in this post, I'm sure you thought I gave up
but
Chris thanks for your post but here's my counter.
If you create a movie that only works on 16x9 or needs colour you
cannot stop people from watching it on a TV in 4x3 or black and white.
Does this mean that we don't
Nicholas Morgan wrote:
Thanks Bob for your replay. I just don't get why this is not a
priority.
Does this mean that no one is going to do anything about this? I
think this is a big deal and something that should be worked on as
core for every browser. Not solving this problem just
That's great and all but you didn't answer my question. To me this
is the same problem that we had without CSS. We used tables and
other means to get the designs that we wanted. This is how I
interpret what you just told me. We have carefully thought and put
together 12 standard t-shirts.
Alright.
Issue:
No way for use to use more than non-standard fonts.
Solutions:
Image replacement, auto generate them with scripting, flash.. ewww...
None of these are solutions. They are all work-arounds for the problem.
I have read through css 2 standard and the font parts of css 3 and
Nicholas Morgan wrote:
Alright.
Issue:
No way for use to use more than non-standard fonts.
The current state of CSS, and standard fonts, is such that there few
people in the entire world who have even scratched the surface of what
is possible with what is available. Some typographers
David,
That's great and all but you didn't answer my question. To me this
is the same problem that we had without CSS. We used tables and
other means to get the designs that we wanted. This is how I
interpret what you just told me. We have carefully thought and put
together 12
On May 21, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Nicholas Morgan wrote:
I have read through css 2 standard and the font parts of css 3 and
this common problem is not addressed. Did I miss it?
@font-face isn't what you're looking for ?
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html#font-descriptions
On 06/05/21 15:34 (GMT-0400) Nicholas Morgan apparently typed:
There are thousands of ways to make arial look different but in the
end it is still arial.
Or is it? http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html
--
All have sinned fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 NIV
Team OS/2 ** Reg.
Hi Guys
I done a redesign on a site:
http://www.swmug.co.uk/
The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all Windows
and Linux browsers. Thanks.
Additionally, I have used Papyrus as a font but I believe it is
exclusively Mac. Is there a Windows equivalent please? I can't
Richard Brown wrote:
http://www.swmug.co.uk/
The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all
Windows and Linux browsers.
Opera 8.5 and IE6 need:
.square .boxcontent {padding-top: 1px;}
...or you'll have to zero out margin-top on form.
Menu doesn't tolerate any
Richard Brown a écrit :
Hi Guys
I done a redesign on a site:
http://www.swmug.co.uk/
The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all Windows
and Linux browsers. Thanks.
Additionally, I have used Papyrus as a font but I believe it is
exclusively Mac. Is there a Windows
Richard Brown wrote:
I done a redesign on a site:
http://www.swmug.co.uk/
The css is embeded. Please could you check that it works in all
Windows and Linux browsers. Thanks.
Additionally, I have used Papyrus as a font but I believe it is
exclusively Mac. Is there a Windows equivalent please?
On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:55:03 -0400, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in Eurostile. I
explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer. Is
this correct?
Whilst thinking of fonts could someone direct me to a
original question
I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in Eurostile. I
explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer.
Is this correct?
reply
There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I have no idea how
to do it. It's done at
There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I
have no idea how to do it. It's done at
http://chris.pirillo.com/ if anyone knows how Chris did this?
It appears that it only works in IE, even though it's part of the CSS 2
spec... Chris uses @font-face in his style sheet to load a
On 5/25/05, Joanne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
original question
I have a client who has asked me if I can do the site in Eurostile. I
explained to him about fonts needing to be on the receiving computer.
Is this correct?
reply
There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I have no
From: Joanne
There is a way to embed the font in to the website, but I
have no idea how to do it.
There were two competing methods (aren't there always) of embedding
fonts for the web. Neither really took off as far as I can tell.
Webmonkey have an article on how to use both
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