Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-25 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 23 Oct 2004 at 23:37, Adam wrote: You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I believe that he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have ever encountered. Why don't you pick one particular factual claim, for example that Bin Laden was a CIA agent, and defend it,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-25 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald wrote: You guys just keep making up facts. There were no branches of the armed services in the towers. You are just spouting bullshit, like the story that Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, that Saddam was installed in a CIA coup, and all those similar

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
Can you guys please take it outside? The majority of us just isn't interested. On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:49:52PM -0700, James A. Donald wrote: Nail your colors to the mast. Pick one of the above and defend it. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-25 Thread R.A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 9:56 PM +0200 10/24/04, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can you guys please take it outside? The majority of us just isn't interested. Oh, please. TantoWho's this us, white man?/Tanto Personally, I'm having a lot of fun watching this. What amazes me the most

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: James A. Donald All of the terrorists came from countries that were beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were Palestinians, and they hit the Pentagon but not the two

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 22 Oct 2004 at 11:12, Bill Stewart wrote: James - Many, perhaps most, of the POWs at Gitmo weren't foreigners, they were Afghans. Many of the POWs at Gitmo probably were Al-Qaeda or other organized paramilitary groups. But many of them were described by the US propagandists as

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:03 PM 10/23/04 -0400, John Kelsey wrote: Blowing up a building full of random people because a few of them are associated with some action you really disagree with is just outside the realm of the sort of moral decision I can figure out. Just like flying planes into buildings full of people

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- John Kelsey I'm still trying to understand the moral theory on which you differentiate hitting the two towers from the Oklaholma City bombing. James A. Donald: The pentagon did not have a branch office in the two towers. BATF had an office in the Murrah building. J.A.

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 23 Oct 2004 at 19:25, J.A. Terranson wrote: There are all givens to the rest of us - I am trying to fit these arguments into Donald's Reality Distortion Field. Is it also a given to you, as it is to Tyler, that the US attacked North Korea, and that the reason for this attack was to

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: The Taliban were illegitimate, not on legal grounds, but because they were evil. Using this line of reasoning, Shrub is ripe for that overdue case of high velocity lead poisoning. If someone was in the Taliban, then those threatened by the

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread Tyler Durden
unaware in advance of the impact on Telecom, the rest was certainly a conscious decision. -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:14:22 -0500 (CDT) On Sat, 23

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread Tiarnán Ó Corráin
Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [1] The defensive aspect here is to allow the attackers to attack from distance beyond the reach of the other side's active defenses, thus not risking anything more than a piece of overpriced electronics. If some asshole is coming at you with a

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 11:37:02PM -0400, Adam wrote: None-the-less, this has been one of the more inteteresting (and infuriating) threads in recent memory of Cypherpunks. I'm glad we're going through it with such vigor. That thread bores me to tears. I miss technical content. Or, at least,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: The Taliban were illegitimate, not on legal grounds, but because they were evil. J.A. Terranson Using this line of reasoning, Shrub is ripe for that overdue case of high velocity lead poisoning. Doubtless he is, but to suggest that he is comparably evil to the

James may be a dick, but y'all sound like pussies to me...(was Re: Airport insanity)

2004-10-24 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 11:37 PM -0400 10/23/04, Adam wrote: You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I believe that he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have ever encountered. No, that was Tim May. The world champion troll if there ever was one -- among other things. :-). James is right, of

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread Adam
You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I believe that he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have ever encountered. It is quite apparent from reading his responses that he is obviously an exceptionally intelligent (academically anyway) individual. I find it hard to believe that

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald All of the terrorists came from countries that were beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were Palestinians, and they hit the Pentagon but not the two towers, then they would be defending

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread J.A. Terranson
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity Let us not forget the more tangible 'value' in bombing the WTC and messing up things downtown. First of all, the companies in the WTC were, to say the least, impacted (actually, the company I work for lost 11 people and relocated to NJ for about

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread John Young
There were several USG offices in the Twin Towers, some of them intelligence. In addition, CIA was located in 7 WTC, along with Secret Service and military offices. The military offices were used as cover for the others. There was far more USG in WTC than in Murrah, and the lesson learned in OKC

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: You guys just keep making up facts. There were no branches of the armed services in the towers. You are just spouting bullshit, like the story that Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, that Saddam was installed in a CIA coup, and all those

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread John Kelsey
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 23, 2004 7:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity Let us not forget the more tangible 'value' in bombing the WTC and messing up things downtown. First of all, the companies in the WTC were

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-24 Thread Dave Howe
Adam wrote: You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I believe that he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have ever encountered. It is quite apparent from reading his responses that he is obviously an exceptionally intelligent (academically anyway) individual. I find it hard to

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-23 Thread John Kelsey
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 22, 2004 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity All of the terrorists came from countries that were beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-23 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:20 AM 10/21/2004, James A. Donald wrote: Doubtless there are some innocents in Gautenamo - but the usual reason they are there is for being foreigners in Afghanistan in the middle of a war with no adequate explanation. At 09:21 AM 10/22/2004, James A. Donald wrote: J.A. Terranson No. We

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-22 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: On 21 Oct 2004 at 13:41, Sunder wrote: No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you to get a clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack to suck it up? When you tell us it is horrible to lock up in Gautenamo people who

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-22 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 21 Oct 2004 at 13:41, Sunder wrote: No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you to get a clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack to suck it up? When you tell us it is horrible to lock up in Gautenamo people who show every sign of trying to kill us ,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-22 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald wrote: We are under attack, and you are telling us to suck it up. J.A. Terranson No. We are under attack by those DEFENDING THEMSELVES. All of the terrorists came from countries that were beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia was certainly not

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-22 Thread John Kelsey
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 20, 2004 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity Lots of murderous terrorists have been released from Guatanamo, and in the nearly all cases the most serious of their complaints make it sound like a beach

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-22 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 22 Oct 2004 at 0:00, John Kelsey wrote: All but one of the comments I read about involved a lot of complaints about mistreatment, albeit often with the admission that Gitmo was still better than being in an Afghan prison. As a nitpick, though, it's not at all clear that most of

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 20 Oct 2004 at 21:27, Sunder wrote: I repeat: And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard, interrogator, and prisoner to make sure that the POW's weren't tortured? We know torture did not occur, because lots of people have been released who were and are extremely

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-21 Thread Sunder
I made no claims, you did, rather I asked you sarcastically to validate your claims, after which you further assumed on top of other mistaken assumptions, that I made claims countering yours, which I did not. Perhaps you should examine your own words. IMHO, you are a misguided armchair general

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 09:43:16AM -0700, James A. Donald wrote: When people are under attack, you cannot tell them to suck it up, which is what you are doing. If we had no government, we I'm not under attack. Are you? The Ghengis Khan thing's been a while back. might well be doing

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 21 Oct 2004 at 10:26, Sunder wrote: IMHO, you are a misguided armchair general who sees yourself as equal to those scumbags that have risen in power to lead or enslave nations since you seem to constantly say they should have done X, and not Y When people are under attack, you

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-21 Thread Sunder
No you imbecile, I'm telling no one anything, other than you to get a clue. Where did I tell people who are under attack to suck it up? All I did was point out that you weren't there and therefore any comment you care to make about it is bound to be flawed. Please find yourself a clue store

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-20 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald wrote: The US government should expose and condemn these objectionable practices, subvert moderately objectionable regimes, and annihilate more objectionable regimes. The pentagon should deprive moderately objectionable regimes of economic resources, by

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-20 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: The US government should expose and condemn these objectionable practices, subvert moderately objectionable regimes, and annihilate more objectionable regimes. The pentagon should deprive moderately objectionable regimes of economic resources,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-20 Thread Sunder
I repeat: And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard, interrogator, and prisoner to make sure that the POW's weren't tortured? And I add: And you were there and witnessed the attrocities that said prisoners committed in order to be placed in Gitmo? No? to both questions?

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-20 Thread Sunder
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: Here is my prescription for winning the war on terrorism We SHOULD rely on shock and awe, administered by men in white coats far from the scene. SNIP The US government should expose and condemn these objectionable practices, subvert

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-20 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 20 Oct 2004 at 13:05, Sunder wrote: Re: Gitmo And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard, interrogator, and prisoner to make sure that the POW's weren't tortured? Lots of murderous terrorists have been released from Guatanamo, and in the nearly all cases the most

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-20 Thread Sunder
Re: Gitmo And you were there and kept an eye on each and every guard, interrogator, and prisoner to make sure that the POW's weren't tortured? Wow, you are good... or phrased another way, what brand of crack are you smokin' 'cause the rest of us thin it's some really good shit and would like

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Bill Stewart wrote... Unfortunately, the primary algorithm seems to work like this: - Somebody puts a name on some list because it seems like a good idea at the time, and there's no due process required. - Everybody copies lists from everybody else, with minimal attempt to track

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread John Young
James, I appreciate your valiant if futile effort to defend honorable militarism, but you appear not to understand that much of current US military doctrine is aimed at terrorizing enemy forces, en masse, into submission, not merely courageously killing each combatant, mano a mano. Carpet

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- Thomas Shaddack: It isn't a problem for you until it happens to you. Who knows when being interested in anon e-cash will become a ground to blacklist *you*. James A. Donald: I know when it will happen. It will happen when people interested in anon ecash go on suicide

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:18 PM 10/18/2004, James A. Donald wrote: http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041018-124854-2279r.htm : : Despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to : : renounce violence, at least seven former prisoners : : of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have : :

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread Bill Stewart
Damian Gerow I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount to basically: You look like you've just left a terrorist training camp. As Erma Bombeck wrote, by the time you look like your passport photo, it's time to come home from vacation. An extra couple of red-eye flights

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 19 Oct 2004 at 14:46, John Young wrote: you appear not to understand that much of current US military doctrine is aimed at terrorizing enemy forces, en masse, into submission, not merely courageously killing each combatant, mano a mano. Carpet bombing, bunker-busting, cruise

Re: Airport insanity..Ethnicity is Bullshit

2004-10-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- Tyler Durden Let's just state the obvious: September 11th occurred not because we had a few crazy Muslim fundamentalists out there that decided they hate our freedoms. The struck us because we've been fuckin' over a large swath of the Muslim (not only Arab) world for 100 years or

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- Tyler Durden Your statement was that the US took special care in avoiding harm to Muslims. In this case we have Muslims tortured at Guantanamo and now angry as hell. And you expected...what? I expected them to be KEPT in Guantanamo. Furthermore, they were not tortured, though they

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 18 Oct 2004 at 13:35, John Young wrote: James is wired to be unempathetic about victims, as was McVeigh, as are fearless military and criminal killers, as are national leaders of a yellow stripe who never taste the bitter end of their exculpatory spin. What makes the wire work is

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 18 Oct 2004 at 15:31, Tyler Durden wrote: Aside from that, your posts are completely saturated with the They're more evil than we are therefore it's OK for us to be fuckin them over logic. They are more evil that we are, as demonstrated by their propensity to kill all sorts of

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: Sadre protected himself with Iraqi women and young children as human shields, showing that he expected the Pentagon to show more concern for Iraqi lives than he did. Thomas Shaddack Pentagon protects their people by distance - being it by bombing from high

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread John Kelsey
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 16, 2004 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Airport insanity .. On 15 Oct 2004 at 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote: .. He might have looked odd from the photo you saw circulated in the press, but I'd bet a lot of money no one would have

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- Thomas Shaddack: a. The probability ratios don't work out so that the overwhelming majority of people you throw off planes are innocent. James A. Donald: Provided the number of people you throw off planes is rather small, I don't see the problem. Thomas Shaddack wrote:

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Steve Furlong
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 15:17, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Pentagon protects their people by distance - being it by bombing from high altitude, or by using cruise missiles. Everybody uses the technology available to them. What's bad on it? Invariably, the side that uses the defensive measure -

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: People who are, for the most part, not like us are trying to kill people like us. Let us chuck all those people not-like-us off those planes where most of the passengers are people like us. Thomas Shaddack Define us? Easier to define them Us

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 12:07 PM -0700 10/18/04, James A. Donald wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: People who are, for the most part, not like us are trying to kill people like us. Let us chuck all those people not-like-us off those planes where most of the passengers are people like us.

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Tyler Durden
of terrorism, we should then exclude all asians from our airplanes, buses and subways? I don't think you've thought this out very well. -TD From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:27:38 -0700

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 16 Oct 2004 at 19:42, Adam wrote: First of all, there were 19 children killed in the OKC bombing. Were these children guilty of some crime worthy of being killed by a truck bomb? He was not targeting children. Second of all, you make it sound like McVeigh was just your

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 04:01 PM 10/16/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: Tim McVeigh did not target innocents, nor was he a suicide bomber. Neither did M. Atta et al. target innocents, he targeted those who elected the Caesars. And they were not pursuing suicide (a Moslem sin), since they are enjoying a comfy

Re: Airport insanity..Ethnicity is Bullshit

2004-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- Tyler Durden Let's just state the obvious: September 11th occurred not because we had a few crazy Muslim fundamentalists out there that decided they hate our freedoms. The struck us because we've been fuckin' over a large swath of the Muslim (not only Arab) world for 100 years or so

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Sunder
There is still of course the matter of the unexploded bombs in that building that were dug out, and that the ATF received a Don't come in to work page on their beepers, and the seize and classification of all surveilance video tapes from things like ATM's across the street.

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: Mc Veigh did not target innocents, and if he did target a plane full of innocents, perhaps in order to kill one guilty man on board, there is no way in hell he himself would be on that plane. John Kelsey Well, he targeted a building full of innocents, so he

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Tyler Durden
WOW! Let's examine your little clip here. Tyler Durden Care to Avoid harming Muslims? Your statement was that the US took special care in avoiding harm to Muslims. In this case we have Muslims tortured at Guantanamo and now angry as hell. And you expected...what?

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread John Kelsey
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 16, 2004 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity .. Oh, and every white American (recall numerous references to Mr. McVeigh) Mc Veigh did not target innocents, and if he did target a plane full

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread John Kelsey
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 16, 2004 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity For whatever reason, pictures of me always come out looking like some crazed religious fanatic. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to bomb anything. And I sure hope

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Sunder
I think you need to read this remake of the First they came for the commies poem. Short translation - whenever anyone's rights are being trampled upon, whether it affects you or not, you should protest. Goes along with one of the unsaid credos about cypherpunks: I absolutely disagree with

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:42 PM 10/16/04 -0400, Adam wrote: First of all, there were 19 children killed in the OKC bombing. Were these children guilty of some crime worthy of being killed by a truck bomb? They were being used as human shields by the fedcriminals in the building. They were collateral damage, in the

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread John Young
James is wired to be unempathetic about victims, as was McVeigh, as are fearless military and criminal killers, as are national leaders of a yellow stripe who never taste the bitter end of their exculpatory spin. What makes the wire work is that they do not believe that what they do unto others

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: a. The probability ratios don't work out so that the overwhelming majority of people you throw off planes are innocent. Provided the number of people you throw off planes is rather small, I don't see the problem. It isn't a problem for

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: Thomas Shaddack wrote: It isn't a problem for you until it happens to you. Who knows when being interested in anon e-cash will become a ground to blacklist *you*. I know when it will happen. It will happen when people interested in anon

Re: Airport insanity..Ethnicity is Bullshit

2004-10-18 Thread Tyler Durden
You also seem to forget there is another potential factor - not only the visible one (ethnicity), but also one that isn't obvious to visual evaluation - religion. There is a significant black minority that inclines to Islam, some of them potentially radical. Do you want to suggest

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: Sadre protected himself with Iraqi women and young children as human shields, showing that he expected the Pentagon to show more concern for Iraqi lives than he did. Pentagon protects their people by distance - being it by bombing from high

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: -- James A. Donald: If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you should have to drive, or use public transport. Thomas Shaddack Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii? Hard biscuit Do I interpret this statement

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:14 PM 10/15/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: -- My profile is radically different from all those who killed nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My holy book of choice is the Bible. My race is Caucasian. I am a loyal, taxpaying, patriotic, evil-hating,

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- My profile is radically different from all those who killed nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My holy book of choice is the Bible. My race is Caucasian. I am a loyal, taxpaying, patriotic, evil-hating, English-as-first-language, natural-born

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Steve Furlong
On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 00:43, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 12:14 PM 10/15/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: -- My profile is radically different from all those who killed nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My holy book of choice is the Bible. My race is Caucasian. I

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: Just don't let anyone who looks like the shoe bomber fly. Problem solved. On 15 Oct 2004 at 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote: Huh? The one flaw in this logic is that this only works if you can send this particular definition of suspicious looks backwards in time. The

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Adam
First of all, there were 19 children killed in the OKC bombing. Were these children guilty of some crime worthy of being killed by a truck bomb? Second of all, you make it sound like McVeigh was just your average-Joe American. How could a non-fundamentalist knowingly kill 168 people? Third,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: Has anyone who does not look a terrorist done a suicide mission outside Israel or Russia? Recall the shoe bomber. You just had to look at him. You would think the airport screeners would need to be half brain dead to let him on the plane. Come to think of it,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- Damian Gerow I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount to basically: You look like you've just left a terrorist training camp. James A. Donald: Nonetheless you can probably start fiddling with your shoes on a plane without the passengers seated near you

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake James A. Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [16/10/04 14:33]: : I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount : to basically: You look like you've just left a terrorist : training camp. : : Nonetheless you can probably start fiddling with your shoes on : a plane without

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Steve Thompson
--- John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the Boston Red Sox team look as if they have just come from a terrorist training camp for blind, handless barbers, decked-out in ill-fitting sports gear, staring wild-eyed at RPGs being fired at their heads and nuts, swinging clubs

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Damian Gerow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus spake James A. Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [15/10/04 15:19]: [laws making stupidity mandatory for gov't officials] I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount to basically: You look like you've just left a terrorist training

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Dave Howe
Damian Gerow wrote: I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that amount to basically: You look like you've just left a terrorist training camp. For whatever reason, pictures of me always come out looking like some crazed religious fanatic. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to bomb

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-16 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote: If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you should have to drive, or use public transport. Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii? Why airplanes don't count as a form of public transport? So by that rationale, every Arab should

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-15 Thread Tyler Durden
First of all, the guy is a major dumbass... My profile is radically different from all those who killed nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My holy book of choice is the Bible. My race is Caucasian. I am a loyal, taxpaying, patriotic, evil-hating, English-as-first-language,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-15 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake James A. Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [15/10/04 15:19]: : Has anyone who does not look a terrorist done a suicide mission : outside Israel or Russia? Recall the shoe bomber. You just : had to look at him. You would think the airport screeners would : need to be half brain dead to let

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-15 Thread James A. Donald
-- My profile is radically different from all those who killed nearly 3,000 of my countrymen on September 11, 2001. My holy book of choice is the Bible. My race is Caucasian. I am a loyal, taxpaying, patriotic, evil-hating, English-as-first-language, natural-born American. If

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-15 Thread Tyler Durden
OK, Mr Donald...you're shittin' me, right? Has anyone who does not look a terrorist done a suicide mission outside Israel or Russia? If you define a suicide mission a priori as the act of a terrorist (I guess I do), then by definition anyone who performs such an act is a terrorist. Therefore,

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-15 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 3:55 PM -0700 10/15/04, John Young wrote: Most of the Boston Red Sox team look as if they have just come from a terrorist training camp for blind, handless barbers, decked-out in ill-fitting sports gear, staring wild-eyed at RPGs being fired at their heads and nuts, swinging clubs futilely at

Re: Airport insanity

2004-10-15 Thread John Young
Most of the Boston Red Sox team look as if they have just come from a terrorist training camp for blind, handless barbers, decked-out in ill-fitting sports gear, staring wild-eyed at RPGs being fired at their heads and nuts, swinging clubs futilely at the inerrant missiles, their ass-wipe paws

RE: Airport insanity

2004-10-15 Thread John Kelsey
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 15, 2004 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Airport insanity First of all, the guy is a major dumbass... My profile is radically different from all those who killed nearly 3,000 of my countrymen