At 01:43 PM 4/3/03 -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
Harmon Seaver wrote:
Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course,
Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise,
English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same explorer
-- "Christopher
Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names, you
> especially don't change the name of the god. This was a Jewish religion, after
> all, and as I mentioned before, the Old Testament is simply awash with praises
> for the *name*. The whole name th
Harmon Seaver wrote:
Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names,
Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course,
Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise,
English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same ex
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:12:53AM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> >Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names,
> >
> Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course,
> Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equival
Harmon Seaver wrote:
Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course,
Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise,
English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same explorer
-- "Christopher Columbus" vs. "Cristobal Colon".
Yes, the america
At 8:12 AM -0800 4/3/03, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
>Peking became Beijing
Actually, there were two changes here. One was the general change from
Wade-Giles to Pinyin. The other was an actual change in the name of the
city, from "Northern Plains" to "Northern Capitol".
Cheers - Bill
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Subject: Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:12:53 -0600
Harmon Seaver wrote:
Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names,
Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His rea
At 8:02 PM -0800 4/2/03, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
>In other words, you can't formulate a cogent argument against this
>point. Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? Most of these deal with
>treating others well.
My reading says that five commandments deal with people's relationship with
god and fiv
> Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:12:53AM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> > Harmon Seaver wrote:
> >
> > >Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's
> names,
> > >
> > Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course
Harmon Seaver wrote:
> You
> don't translate names. Especially you don't change the name of the god. Read the
> Old Testament, see how incredibly many times you find phrases like "the holy
> name of the lord", "blessed be the name", "the wonderful name", etc.
You don't even know the difference be
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:45:55AM +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
> Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> > You
> > don't translate names. Especially you don't change the name of the god. Read the
> > Old Testament, see how incredibly many times you find phrases like "the holy
> > name of the lord", "blessed be the n
Harmon Seaver wrote:
No, they weren't "christian" -- they were followers of Rabbi Yeshua ben
Yoseph ha Natzri, later called Mesheach ha Israel. [...] Jesus and
Christ and christianity were something invented by the europeans [...] [Marcion] took
a scissors and cut out anything that was at all fav
On 2 Apr 2003 at 22:02, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
>
> "Christer establishment"? Are you out of your mind? We're talking
> about a country where a big stink was raised just because someone found
> the word "god" on a spelling list.
This is irrelevant.You are looking at specifcs of court or
Harmon Seaver wrote:
If you read the history, there were just as many christer theologists and ministers arguing *for* slavery as there were against.
Their religion was not the cause of their support for slavery;
self-interest was. On the other hand, many, many abolitionists became
devoted to t
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 12:22:31PM +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
> Harmon,
>
> your knowledge of the history of the Roman Empire & early Christianity
> is flakier than Choate's physics. Go home and read some history books
> instead of New Age loonies with a persecution complex.
I'm not reading new
Harmon,
your knowledge of the history of the Roman Empire & early Christianity
is flakier than Choate's physics. Go home and read some history books
instead of New Age loonies with a persecution complex.
No point in refuting the heap of ignorance appended below because there
isn't enough meaning
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 08:43:34PM +0100, Ken Brown wrote:
> Steve Schear wrote:
>
> > At 06:34 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, stuart wrote:
> > >On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
> > >
> > >You give too much credit to the Romans. Catholicism worked so well
> > >because it is a v
ists
are clearly not to be tolerated, and the Jews are actively commanded by God
to slaughter all sorts of pagans in the Torah and Joshua and beyond.
-TD
From: "Kevin S. Van Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
Dat
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:09:17PM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> >>And what makes you think things would have been any better in the
> >>absence of Christianity?
> >
> >You've heard of the Inquistion perhaps?
>
>
> The Catholic Church (which carried out the Inquisit
Harmon Seaver wrote:
But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to
when the christer Romans came and killed off the Druids and Wiccans
who wouldn't bend the knee to conversion, as they did in the rest of
Europe.
You are completely and utterly wrong here. The Romans never
At 09:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Tim wrote:
To cut to the chase, several of my former friends are calling me a
traitor and claiming to have reported me to the FBI for my statements
about how the war machine ought to be hacked and undermined.
See below. A so-called "conservative"
Harmon Seaver wrote:
And what makes you think things would have been any better in the
absence of Christianity?
You've heard of the Inquistion perhaps?
The Catholic Church (which carried out the Inquisition, in cooperation
with various governments) is not the whole of Christianity. There are
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> I still think the best solution is just huge tanker planes full of LSD
> spraying combative groups/areas once a week.
Actually, LSD was considered as an incapacitating chemical weapon. Another
psychedelic, 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, aka BZ, was even
I still think the best solution is just huge tanker planes full of LSD
spraying combative groups/areas once a week.
--
Harmon Seaver
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com
We are now in America's Darkest Hour.
http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org
hoka hey!
At 5:44 AM -0800 3/31/03, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:15:46AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote:
>> 3. "Wicca" is a modern invention.
>
> Hardly.
>WEIK- [2]. In words connectid with magic and religious notions (in
> Germanic and Latin). 1. Germanic suffixed form *WIH-L-
At 01:34 PM 3/30/03 -0500, stuart wrote:
>On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
>HS> Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to
the lions
>HS> a couple of milleniums ago.
A similarly open-minded friend once commented (far too loudly
in a cafe) that
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:55:46PM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> >>Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority?
> >>
> >Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable
> >trade-off, given the millions who have been tortured and murde
Harmon Seaver wrote:
Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority?
Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off, given the millions who have been tortured and murdered in Europe and the Americas since the Council of Nicea in 425 by the offspring of t
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:15:46AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote:
> Harmon Seaver wrote:
> >On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> >>Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland.
> >
> >
> >No, I do.
>
> No you don't.
>
> > But of course, th
Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote:
[..]
Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland.
No, I do.
No you don't.
But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the
christer Romans came and killed off t
At 11:39 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Very, very few religions, other than the judeo/christer/islamic, are
interested in forced conversions, or even do any proselytizing at all. Nor do
they usually persecute women. The entire christer theology makes persecution
inevitable. Any monoth
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 06:34:08PM -0500, stuart wrote:
>
> First of all, 'wicca' is some bullshit thought up by a delusional old
> man less than 75 years ago, the only persecution of wiccans the world
> has seen is when they get made fun of in high school.
Don't know where you got this idea f
--
On 30 Mar 2003 at 16:40, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>The number of women, in particular, who were murdered by
>the church is pretty
> high, not just during the initial "conversion" but also
> during the following Inquistion.
You are deluded.
The church murdered perhjaps a thousand or so
At 06:34 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, stuart wrote:
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
You give too much credit to the Romans. Catholicism worked so well
because it is a virus, and conversion was often forced upon heathens by
their fellow countrymen.
Interestingly though, Christi
--
On 30 Mar 2003 at 23:29, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Don't know where you got this idea from, the First Papal
> Inquisition in 1232 was specifically for witches and
> sorcerers. And a bit later, in the Burning Times (1450-1700
> roughly) the church burned and hanged hundreds of thousands
> of pe
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 02:09:11PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
> At 01:15 PM 03/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> > IIRC, the protestants aren't Irish, they are Brits, the remainder of
> >the brit
> >occupying forces. The Irish were essentially slaves of the brits for
> >centuries.
>
> You
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
> HS>Yeah, too bad they don't feel the same way about Ireland. The
> HS> Irish have been trying to kick the Brits out for what, 400 years?
> HS> At least.
>
> Apparently yo
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
HS> On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:34:38PM -0500, stuart wrote:
>> Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority?
HS>Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off,
HS> given the millions who
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 12:22:41AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 04:36:08PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
> > Are there specific facts on that Web page that you believe to be in error?
>
> Did you read the hilarious description of FCF and EFF? I assume not,
> if you had to
On Saturday, March 29, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
HS>Yeah, too bad they don't feel the same way about Ireland. The
HS> Irish have been trying to kick the Brits out for what, 400 years?
HS> At least.
Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland.
The story of
On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
HS> Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to the lions
HS> a couple of milleniums ago.
Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority?
--
stuart
We wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:34:38PM -0500, stuart wrote:
> On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this...
> HS> Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to the lions
> HS> a couple of milleniums ago.
>
> Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious min
At 01:15 PM 03/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
IIRC, the protestants aren't Irish, they are Brits, the remainder of
the brit
occupying forces. The Irish were essentially slaves of the brits for
centuries.
You don't remember correctly. Most of the Protestants in Ulster
were moved there in
"Weyrich, a member of the extreme Catholic right and a professed admirer of the
pro-Nazi demagogue Father Coughlin, has founded or cofounded numerous right-wing
organizations, including the Moral Majority."
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/free_congress.htm
Yup. A real sweet guy, th
At 0:55 -0800 2003/03/30, Bill Stewart wrote:
>At 06:09 PM 03/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>>Check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48331-2003Mar29.html
>>
>> If all the Iraqi farmers/civilians have half this guy's stash...
>
>It's probably safer to invade Iraq than, say,
At 06:09 PM 03/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48331-2003Mar29.html
If all the Iraqi farmers/civilians have half this guy's stash...
It's probably safer to invade Iraq than, say, Switzerland,
because the Iraqi government probably didn'
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>That may well be. Sedition trials and concentration camps wouldn't surprise
> me in the slightest.
The concentration camps are jails this time, where you are held as a
"material witness". The "trials" will be in a secret court, fed by secret
evide
On Saturday, March 29, 2003, at 07:29 PM, J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote:
That may well be. Sedition trials and concentration camps wouldn't
surprise
me in the slightest.
The concentration camps are jails this time, where you are held as a
"material witness".
Tim wrote:
To cut to the chase, several of my former friends are calling me a
traitor and claiming to have reported me to the FBI for my statements
about how the war machine ought to be hacked and undermined.
See below. A so-called "conservative" group is also tossing the term
traitor about. Often
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 04:36:08PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
> Are there specific facts on that Web page that you believe to be in error?
Did you read the hilarious description of FCF and EFF? I assume not,
if you had to ask...
I have better things to do with my time than critique this stuff or
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 10:47:51AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> (As they may be, but this whole clusterfuck is showing the well-known
> problems with invading another country with strung-out supply lines and
> with urban/guerilla battles. We could all write for pages and pages on
Heh. I like this Wa
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 09:06:27AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> Tim wrote:
> >To cut to the chase, several of my former friends are calling me a
> >traitor and claiming to have reported me to the FBI for my statements
> >about how the war machine ought to be hacked and undermined.
>
> See belo
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 04:01:12PM -0800, jet wrote:
> At 18:42 -0500 2003/03/29, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >I went to the Timonium hamfest and computer show today (surprisingly
> >good, even with the rain). On the way back, listened to an NPR Baghdad
> >correspondent report that the mood in the ci
At 18:42 -0500 2003/03/29, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>I went to the Timonium hamfest and computer show today (surprisingly
>good, even with the rain). On the way back, listened to an NPR Baghdad
>correspondent report that the mood in the city had subtly changed --
>basically that since Saddam didn't
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 07:25:41PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:50:50AM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> >Here's an interesting site about the FCF
> >
> > http://www.politicalamazon.com/fcf.html
>
> Interesting, but mostly insanely wrong. Written by someone who is
FCF is in bed with fine folks like Scaife, Family Research Council, the Eagle Forum.
Head of the FCF (Paul Weyrich) founded the Heritage Foundation. Lots more interesting
bits here:
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/free_congress.htm
--
J. Eric Townsend -- jet spies com
buy stuff,
Check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48331-2003Mar29.html
If all the Iraqi farmers/civilians have half this guy's stash...
--
Harmon Seaver
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com
We are now in America's Darkest Hour.
http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org
hoka hey!
Declan writes:
> Interesting, but mostly insanely wrong. Written by someone who is a
> hardcore leftist, it seems, and heavily slanted. I know the folks at
> FCF, and they're not mass murderers, racists, xenophobes, or guilty
> of the other allegations the author makes.
Hmmm. I read through the
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:50:50AM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>Here's an interesting site about the FCF
>
> http://www.politicalamazon.com/fcf.html
Interesting, but mostly insanely wrong. Written by someone who is a
hardcore leftist, it seems, and heavily slanted. I know the folks at
FCF, an
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