When I'm locking at the BTS, I sometimes get the feeling it was either
designed a long time ago, or that it was designed by real hardcore
developers. Not that it isn't effective, as when you have learned the
whole system, you can query it pretty fast, but the threshold is
pretty steep.
I don't kn
Hi,
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 12:52:43AM +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> When I'm locking at the BTS, I sometimes get the feeling it was either
> designed a long time ago, or that it was designed by real hardcore
> developers. Not that it isn't effective, as when you have learned the
> whole system
On 2007-07-20, Carl Fürstenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know if there has been any discussions about some redesign of
> the system, to make it a bit more user friendly, but perhaps it's time
Please read up on the differences between 'user friendly' and 'beginner
friendly'
I am a user
On 7/21/07, Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
port 25 blocking may be circumvented using ssl(tls) access to smtp
server like one offered by gmail. Read the manpage of reportbug for its
command line options.
Many ISP now requests to use non-port 25 for outgoing mail. That may
be accomodated
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On 07/20/07 17:52, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
[snip]
>
> The major problem with the current system, is that it requires that
> the reporter has access to a mail server, if they want to use the more
> easier variant by using reportbug script. their other
20-07-2007,
> When I'm locking at the BTS, I sometimes get the feeling it was either
> designed a long time ago,
Is it good or bad?
> or that it was designed by real hardcore developers. Not that it isn't
> effective, as when you have learned the whole system, you can query it
> pretty fast, but
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 12:52:43AM +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> The major problem with the current system, is that it requires that
> the reporter has access to a mail server, if they want to use the more
> easier variant by using reportbug script. their other alternative is
> to send an email
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 07:09:44AM +, Oleg Verych wrote:
> > p.s. if this is wrong list, please shoot me...
>
> So, please, don't just talk. Try to make something above average
> first. Then try to support it for some time, then go back to your
> questions, and know wise answers.
Not only y
Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 20-07-2007,
> > The major problem with the current system, is that it requires
> > that the reporter has access to a mail server [...], their other
> > alternative is to send an email from their webmail [...].
> >
> > Perhaps I'm out on deep water here, bu
Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> The major problem with the current system, is that it requires that
> the reporter has access to a mail server, if they want to use the more
> easier variant by using reportbug script. their other alternative is
This is not true, reportbug can send mails directly to the
On 2007-07-21, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> bug reports pretty easy. It isn't the web frontend you'd like to see,
> but I think it is a good and user friendly alternative.
I prefer reportbug-ng over any webinterface to recieve bug reports. All
the information about the reporters sy
>> > p.s. if this is wrong list, please shoot me...
>>=20
>> So, please, don't just talk. Try to make something above average
>> first. Then try to support it for some time, then go back to your
>> questions, and know wise answers.
>
> Not only you are very harsh and aggressive, but there is defi
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 10:52:52AM +, Oleg Verych wrote:
> i tried to make some social statements,
Any reason why you believe debian-devel is the right mailing list for
`social statements'?
Michael
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>> [incensed ranting on the topic of web applications]
>
> Oleg, your response doesn't seem to be in response to the message you
> quoted.
A reply to off topic message to the development list. Insulting -- yes. Why?
In dry lanuage:
"post your thoughts in your weblog, come here with patches"
Tha
Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2007-07-21, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> bug reports pretty easy. It isn't the web frontend you'd like to see,
>> but I think it is a good and user friendly alternative.
>>
>
> I prefer reportbug-ng over any webinterface to recieve bug reports. Al
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
> A reply to off topic message to the development list. Insulting -- yes. Why?
People do mistakes, they can learn if you tell them how to do better. They
don't if you aggress them and scare them away, just like you did.
> > Please either address the points
On 21.07.2007 13:36 schrieb Brice Goglin:
> Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> I prefer reportbug-ng over any webinterface to recieve bug reports. All
>> the information about the reporters system that is automatically
>> gathered about architecture, package versions and such.
>
> reportbug-ng does *not* gath
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 02:44:45PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> On 21.07.2007 13:36 schrieb Brice Goglin:
> > Sune Vuorela wrote:
> >> I prefer reportbug-ng over any webinterface to recieve bug reports. All
> >> the information about the reporters system that is automatically
> >> gathered about
On Saturday 21 July 2007 14:44, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> Rng was by the way not intended to be a 1:1 replacement for reportbug or
> just a reportbug-with-GUI.
This is not really supported by the naming of your program (an edit distance
of 3 with reportbug) nor by the description. Those two will s
Oleg Verych wrote:
>>> [incensed ranting on the topic of web applications]
>> Oleg, your response doesn't seem to be in response to the message you
>> quoted.
>
> A reply to off topic message to the development list. Insulting -- yes. Why?
Yes, indeed, why? Why do you feel the need to insult som
Before, after a lot of trials and errors, I did manage to get
reportbug working, but I still get angry now and then, especially when
I choose a wrong option, as I don't know how to undo it, I must exit
the program and begin from scratch again. Other thing I feel
cumbersome, is that it's difficult t
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
> "post your thoughts in your weblog, come here with patches"
This is a list which is used to discuss development related issues.
The ability of users to report and discover bugs which affect them is
inextricably linked to development.
As one of the develop
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:23:07 +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> Before, after a lot of trials and errors, I did manage to get
> reportbug working, but I still get angry now and then, especially when
> I choose a wrong option, as I don't know how to undo it, I must exit
> the program and begin from s
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> Before, after a lot of trials and errors, I did manage to get
> reportbug working, but I still get angry now and then, especially
> when I choose a wrong option, as I don't know how to undo it, I must
> exit the program and begin from scratch again.
Y
On 7/21/07, gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Please have a look at reportbug-ng, it might fulfill your preferences
> better.
I tried reportbug-ng, and the interface was good, but I didn't manage
to send a report, as I didn't had any mail program installed, I
though, as it had a coupl
On 7/21/07, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, reportbug has the option of responding to a bug report instead of
> submitting a new one, but you can send a plain e-mail if you want too.
> Whatever is easier for you.
>
>
> Don Armstrong
>
Is there any kind of commandline option? as I a
On 21.07.2007 15:02 schrieb Thijs Kinkhorst:
> On Saturday 21 July 2007 14:44, Bastian Venthur wrote:
>> Rng was by the way not intended to be a 1:1 replacement for reportbug or
>> just a reportbug-with-GUI.
>
> This is not really supported by the naming of your program (an edit distance
> of 3 w
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> On 21.07.2007 13:36 schrieb Brice Goglin:
> > Sune Vuorela wrote:
> >> I prefer reportbug-ng over any webinterface to recieve bug reports. All
> >> the information about the reporters system that is automatically
> >> gathered about architecture, packag
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> For me the reference how to write bug reports is described here:
>
> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.en.html
>
> where /usr/share/bugs is not even mentioned.
I'm not really sure if that's the appropriate place to document
/usr/share/bugs, but
On 21.07.2007 16:19 schrieb Don Armstrong:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote:
>> For me the reference how to write bug reports is described here:
>>
>> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.en.html
>>
>> where /usr/share/bugs is not even mentioned.
>
> I'm not really sure if that's the
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:52:07 +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> > Please have a look at reportbug-ng, it might fulfill your preferences
> > better.
> I tried reportbug-ng, and the interface was good, but I didn't manage
> to send a report, as I didn't had any mail program installed,
Ouch, probably
* Bastian Venthur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070721 16:43]:
> /usr/share/bugs was in my opinion a reportbug specific feature, since it
> wasn't documented on the above site on how to report bugs and since it
> was the only program I knew which used the scripts in there.
/usr/share/bugs isn't reportbug s
On Saturday 21 July 2007 16:42, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> Not really -- at least not in my eyes. In my understanding this site
> documents how to file bug reports. Reportbug and others are introduced
> as tools to help to ease the pain of doing it by hand. But that does not
> imply something like: e
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 03:23:07PM +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> Also, I'm sorry if I upset someone, was not my meaning.
Do not feel sorry for that: most of this thread participants agreed that
there were no reasons to get upset for your initial message. On the
contrary: thanks for raising thi
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 02:44:45PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> On 21.07.2007 13:36 schrieb Brice Goglin:
> > reportbug-ng does *not* gather all the information about the reporters
> > system... see #422085
> This bug is about replicating a reportbug specific feature. In my
As Steve pointed o
On 21.07.2007 16:43 schrieb gregor herrmann:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:52:07 +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
>
>>> Please have a look at reportbug-ng, it might fulfill your preferences
>>> better.
>> I tried reportbug-ng, and the interface was good, but I didn't manage
>> to send a report, as I didn
On Saturday 21 July 2007 16:55, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> Several different developers have already indicated that the feature
> debated here is important for them to reach goal two of such a helper.
> I do not see how such a feature would hurt goal 1. So why reject the
> feature? What does it hurt?
On 7/21/07, gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:52:07 +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> > I
> > though, as it had a couple in it's list, that all of them was
> > installed, so I choosed icedove, but it then complained and dumped a
> > url-encoded string in the termina
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 04:42:48PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> >> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.en.html
> /usr/share/bugs was in my opinion a reportbug specific feature, since it
> wasn't documented on the above site on how to report bugs and since it
> was the only program I knew wh
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:59:49 +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> >> I tried reportbug-ng, and the interface was good, but I didn't manage
> >> to send a report, as I didn't had any mail program installed,
> > Ouch, probably reportbug-ng should depend on the supported mail user
> > agents (Bastian, yo
* Don Armstrong
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
>> "post your thoughts in your weblog, come here with patches"
>
> This is a list which is used to discuss development related issues.
> The ability of users to report and discover bugs which affect them is
> inextricably linked to developm
On 21.07.2007 15:00 schrieb Steve Langasek:
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 02:44:45PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
>> On 21.07.2007 13:36 schrieb Brice Goglin:
>>> reportbug-ng does *not* gather all the information about the reporters
>>> system... see #422085
>
>> This bug is about replicating a repo
On Saturday 21 July 2007 17:50, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> So where's the usage of files in /usr/share/bug documented? I wasn't
> able to find the documentation, but I'm sure I have read it somewhere.
$ less /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.developers
Cheers,
FJP
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On 21.07.2007 18:04 schrieb Frans Pop:
> On Saturday 21 July 2007 17:50, Bastian Venthur wrote:
>> So where's the usage of files in /usr/share/bug documented? I wasn't
>> able to find the documentation, but I'm sure I have read it somewhere.
>
> $ less /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.developers
A
Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
When I'm locking at the BTS, I sometimes get the feeling it was either
designed a long time ago, or that it was designed by real hardcore
developers. Not that it isn't effective, as when you have learned the
whole system, you can query it pretty fast, but the threshold is
Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Please either address the points raised by the message you're replying
>> to, or don't.
> IMHO that message was a hand waving not deserving reading. Thus i
> dissagre, that i didn't addressed its points in my reply.
If you feel there were no points raised
* 21-07-2007, Steve Langasek
> The scripts in /usr/share/bug/ are *created by the package maintainers to
> collect information they believe should be present in bug reports about
> their packages*. Asserting that maintainers "have the option" to ask for
> more info is just stupid; the whole point
21-07-2007, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> пишет:
> --=-=-=
>
> Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Please either address the points raised by the message you're replying
>>> to, or don't.
>> IMHO that message was a hand waving not deserving reading. Thus i
>> dissagre, that i d
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 06:11:19PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> On 21.07.2007 18:04 schrieb Frans Pop:
> > $ less /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.developers
> At least now it should be clear why I assumed it is a reportbug
> *specific* feature.
The first line of that document indicates that t
Don Armstrong wrote:
>
> [It appears that debian-bug.el doesn't actually do the
> /usr/share/bugs//*; thing either [...]
It does but relies on reportbug for this.
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Hi Carl,
"Carl Fürstenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The major problem with the current system, is that it requires that
> the reporter has access to a mail server, if they want to use the
> more easier variant by using reportbug script. their other
> alternative is to send an email from their webma
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:50:15 +0200, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
>> The major problem with the current system, is that it requires that
>> the reporter has access to a mail server, if they want to use the
>> more easier variant by using reportbug script. the
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:17:21 +0200, gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:59:49 +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
>> >> I tried reportbug-ng, and the interface was good, but I didn't
>> >> manage to send a report, as I didn't had any mail program
>> >> installed,
>> > Ouc
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:50:15 +0200, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> Or, if you prefer a GUI application with out of the box support for
>> most mail clients, try reportbug-ng.
>
> My major problem with reportbug-ng was that is is very hard to
> con
* Bastian Venthur [Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:34:06 +0200]:
> That's not true. As I already told you, all you have to do is to send me
> a valid call of your mail client where the composer opens with to-,
> subject- and body prefilled.
This reminds me: do you know about /usr/bin/xdg-email (from package
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:34:06 +0200, Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:50:15 +0200, Bastian Venthur
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>> Or, if you prefer a GUI application with out of the box support for
>>> most mail clients, try reportbug-
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 04:42:48PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> While you're at it, can you please also add reportbug-ng to the list of
> tools helping the user to provide bug reports?
I'd rather suggest to add a paragraph discouraging users from using rng
at this point, until it meets the deve
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:07:08 +0200, Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Bastian Venthur [Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:34:06 +0200]:
>> That's not true. As I already told you, all you have to do is to send
>> me a valid call of your mail client where the composer opens with
>> to-, subject- and bod
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> My mail client is a script, ~/bin/mail-handler; which, I think,
> is not permissible in reportbug-ng. In other words, the user can not
> configure the reporter; they can ask the author to add in some standard
> mail clients; but not the non-standard ones.
It
Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Bastian Venthur [Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:34:06 +0200]:
>
>> That's not true. As I already told you, all you have to do is to send me
>> a valid call of your mail client where the composer opens with to-,
>> subject- and body prefilled.
>
> This reminds me: do you know about /
* Manoj Srivastava [Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:32:23 -0400]:
> something as heavy weight as xdg-utils
The number of Depends of xdg-utils is zero, Installed-Size 260.
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:07:08 +0200, Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> This reminds me: do you know about /usr/bin/xdg-email (from package
>> xdg-utils)? I don't know if reportbug must get a MUA configured before
>> being able to send reports; if so, xdg-email wou
* Bastian Venthur [Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:50:49 +0200]:
> I'll have to investigate which mail clients xdg-email supports and
> whether it supports at least the to-, subject- and body for all of them.
> If this is the case, I should make it the default and leave the other
> ones as an option.
xdg-ema
* Adeodato Simó [Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:05:59 +0200]:
> xdg-email does not deal with clients directly; it just constructs a
> mailto: URL from its arguments and options (or a mailto: url can be
> given directly if that's easier for the caller), and opens it with the
> appropriate command depending on
Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > My mail client is a script, ~/bin/mail-handler; which, I
> > think, is not permissible in reportbug-ng. In other words, the
> > user can not configure the reporter; they can ask the author to
> > add in some stan
On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 11:47:46PM +0200, Bastian Venthur
wrote:
> It shouldn't be a huge problem to provide the option you
> want, but since it is a rather exotic (I assume most
> people just use a mail client), it isn't currently of high
> priority for me.
Well quite possibly, but maybe $HOME/bi
also sprach Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.07.23.1611 +0200]:
> Well quite possibly, but maybe $HOME/bin/mutt if they're
> built their own self-patched mutt, or something similar. I
> similarly use a wrapper in $HOME/bin in order to make
> epiphany and friends launch mutt properly (a script
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 12:52:43AM +0200, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> When I'm locking at the BTS, (...) Not that it isn't effective, as
> when you have learned the whole system, you can query it pretty
> fast, but the threshold is pretty steep.
> (...) make it a bit more user friendly, but perhaps
On 7/26/07, Lionel Elie Mamane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> reportbug-ng does *not* gather all the information about the
> reporters system... see #422085
Oh? And gnome-reportbug does or not?
gnome-reportbug doesn't work well enough to do anything.
In theory it does everything reportbug does
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 01:36:49PM +0200, Brice Goglin wrote:
> Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> I prefer reportbug-ng over any webinterface to recieve bug
>> reports. All the information about the reporters system that is
>> automatically gathered about architecture, package versions and
>> such.
> report
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