Re: switch users and still use display

2024-07-27 Thread David Wright
On Sat 27 Jul 2024 at 23:21:06 (+0200), Hans wrote: > I never found an official documentation about "su -p", just found it myself, > but I read, "su -" shall do the same. It does not. When you write something like this, can you accompany it with a reference? The essential package util-linux's man

Re: systemd may silently break your system!

2024-07-27 Thread David Wright
On Sat 27 Jul 2024 at 09:26:49 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On 2024-07-26, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > > The /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf symlink has been removed > > > (currently in unstable) *without any announcement*, so that > > > the /etc/sysctl.conf file (which is still documented, B

Re: Strange behavior of ifupdown package

2024-07-26 Thread David Wright
On Wed 24 Jul 2024 at 14:29:34 (+), MailGuard01 wrote: > I am trying to complete the network configuration on Debian 12 using the > default > installed `ifupdown` package. I have noticed some confusing behavior with > `ifupdown` while following the manual pages. > > Specifically, when I place

Re: How to update environment variable output

2024-07-23 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 15:00:12 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 13:38:48 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 09:31:36 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 23:22:52 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > > >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-23 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 09:44:02 (+), Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 22 Jul 2024 21:20 -0500, from deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk (David Wright): > > The machine I'm typing on is running bullseye and was installed with > > linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64. It's running linux-image-5.

Re: How to update environment variable output

2024-07-23 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 09:31:36 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 23:22:52 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > The day# in my command prompt increments when I start in the morning. Maybe > > I need to press enter. > > That makes it sound like you're setting the YEAR et al. var

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread David Wright
On Mon 22 Jul 2024 at 18:10:24 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 5:41 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > > [...] > > > 4. As I know Debian Sid does not have some packages like Arch, why? They > > > have rolling releases? I mean

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-22 Thread David Wright
On Sun 21 Jul 2024 at 22:01:58 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 18:43:28 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > I run the following from root's crontab: > > > > apt-get -qq -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/"; > >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 00:25:27 (+0500), 타토카 wrote: > I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): > "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so > without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious > environment, you

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread David Wright
On Mon 22 Jul 2024 at 05:47:58 (+0800), cor...@free.fr wrote: > I have been running an old debian 11 for many days. > is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? > for example put them into crontab. I run the following from root's crontab: apt-get -qq -o Acquire::http::Proxy=

Re: Switch boot entry by power-on reason

2024-07-21 Thread David Wright
On Sun 21 Jul 2024 at 10:45:59 (+), David wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > hede wrote: > > > > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason: > > > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes > > > System Information > > > ... > > > Wake-u

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-19 Thread David Wright
On Sat 20 Jul 2024 at 12:13:28 (+1200), Ash Joubert wrote: > On 2024-07-20 03:39, Celejar wrote: > > Thanks much! > [...] > > As per another message in this thread, I've already filed a bug against > > linux-image-6.9.9-amd64, but I suppose I should update the report with > > this information, indi

Listing packages installed on broken system, was systemd errors

2024-07-16 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 Jul 2024 at 21:35:39 (+0100), mick.crane wrote: > I installed on a fresh disk the nightly build of Trixie and it works a > treat and it configured the monitor to it's highest resolution using > the nouveau module thing. > Unfortunately I broke my previous Trixie installation trying to get

Re: stty permanently undef "start"

2024-07-10 Thread David Wright
On Wed 10 Jul 2024 at 16:00:48 (+0200), Nicolas George wrote: > Greg Wooledge (12024-07-10): > > You could -- but if you do so, you should definitely surround it with > > a check for stdin being a terminal (test -t 0 or equivalent). > > Does bash execute .bashrc when it is not interactive? Someon

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Acer Aspire 5 A515-45 touchpad suddenly stopped working on debian 12.5

2024-07-06 Thread David Wright
On Sat 06 Jul 2024 at 08:39:57 (+0200), Steinar Bang wrote: > > Steinar Bang : > > > Sometime (a day or so maybe) before <2024-06-26 Wed 19:59> the touchpad > > stopped working on my Acer Aspire 5 with a MATE desktop on debian 12.5. > > > At the time the laptop had gone 50 days since the last

Re: How to get an email notification every time a package is updated

2024-06-30 Thread David Wright
On Sun 30 Jun 2024 at 02:31:28 (-0700), B wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately I already researched that > and there are problems. On Sat 29 Jun 2024 at 22:46:00 (-0700), B wrote: > It seems crazy that in all the history of Debian, nobody said "There's > a package I care about and

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-29 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 15:05:34 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > David writes: > > With chrony, you can monitor the RTC over time and adjust the system > > clock in accordance with its drift rate at boot time, without > > correcting the RTC itself, or you can actually set the RTC from the > > system cl

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-29 Thread David Wright
On Sat 29 Jun 2024 at 06:53:48 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 02:05:48PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 11:14:34 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > > > David writes: > > > > It's not clear to me which NTP (p

Re: How to get the *.deb file?

2024-06-29 Thread David Wright
On Sun 30 Jun 2024 at 06:10:17 (+0200), DdB wrote: > Hi, > > sometimes, i did fetch the deb file from https://packages.debian.org > even for another OS than the one, i am running, just to inspect its details. > > This time, i was unable to find/download the deb file for > https://packages.debian.

Re: Need help with narroely focused use case of Emacs

2024-06-29 Thread David Wright
On Sat 29 Jun 2024 at 17:08:04 (+0200), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2024-06-28 20:53:50 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > Yes, it almost certainly can be done with a single sed (or other > > similar tool) invocation where the regular expression matches > > precisely what you want it to match. But

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 17:03:47 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > David has said that chrony can do fancy things involving the hardware > > clock. Maybe you should investigate that solution path. > > I'm trying to find out how to fix it Right, rather than how to work > around the problem (I alre

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 14:54:42 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > It's not like you can say "Oh, I was asleep for 7.5234 hours, so I need > > > to adjust the HW clock time forward by X seconds because I know it runs > > > a bit slow." That information is not available to you. > > > > It is if /e

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 11:14:34 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > David writes: > > It's not clear to me which NTP (protocol) packages are set up to use > > the util-linux stuff, assuming you're not rolling your own > > startup/shutdown scripts. (That's the problem in the Subject line, in > > a sense.)

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 09:41:06 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > Stefan writes: > > The question remains: how to make use of that info upon wakeup to > > adjust the "initial" time before NTP takes over. > > hwclock -a can do this. Sure it can. > If you use it be sure ntpsec isn't trying to do > the

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Jun 2024 at 10:06:23 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 09:48:12 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Oh, indeed, thanks. I had computed it manually from > > `journalctl | grep stepped` and it gave close enough results. > > The question remains: how to make use of that i

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-27 Thread David Wright
On Wed 26 Jun 2024 at 12:50:32 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25:38 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > I wrote: > > > 12 Noon and 12 Midnight works. > > > > David Wright wrote: > > > Except that The Wanderer's "strictly co

Re: How to use /etc/adjtime

2024-06-27 Thread David Wright
On Thu 27 Jun 2024 at 12:48:03 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have a machine whose RTC clock is drifting significantly and it is > often suspended for several days. I run NTP so the drift I see when > I wake the machine up gets fixed by "stepping" the clock after a while, > but that can take a

Re: how2 format a flash drive

2024-06-25 Thread David Wright
Entire attribution and quote removed to avoid the mailing list treating this post as spam. I got the impression that Lee used windows in the past (and may still), which is why I didn't suggest the same as Joe. (Lee did write "on Debian"). And by devices, I was thinking more of TVs, printers, scan

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-25 Thread David Wright
On Mon 24 Jun 2024 at 23:34:45 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > On 24/6/24 21:41, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 24/06/2024 à 22:38, Curt a écrit : > > > When my mom came to visit one time in the nineties she requested I > > > change my alarm clock to AM PM time (it is now 15:25 here in the Gallic > > > re

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-25 Thread David Wright
On Mon 24 Jun 2024 at 17:12:18 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > (Similar logic could be used for 11:59:59 PM, 12:00 M, and 12:00:01 AM, > > where the standalone M would stand for "midnight". That does expose one > > unfortunate weakness of this system: unless you introduce an

Re: how2 format a flash drive

2024-06-25 Thread David Wright
On Tue 25 Jun 2024 at 16:23:16 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Lee wrote: > > My question is: how do I reformat the flash drive so it's usable as a > > "normal" flash drive again? > > You have to delete the partitions of the USB stick which came with > the ISO. > Then you create one or more parti

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-25 Thread David Wright
On Tue 25 Jun 2024 at 18:46:26 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 23/6/24 00:52, David Wright wrote: > > > Excellent. Now how do we get our MUA to do that when replying to mail, > > > which is where I saw what I thought was a system error - but in fact > > > was a

Re: Publishing Formats

2024-06-24 Thread David Wright
On Mon 24 Jun 2024 at 22:34:39 (+), Russell L. Harris wrote: > Someone gave me an old SCEPTRE display with a screen 11.5 inch by 22 > inch. I never before saw the usefulness of a wide screen. > > A reader such as Atril can take advantage of the wide screen, allowing > me to zoom in until the

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-23 Thread David Wright
On Sun 23 Jun 2024 at 08:41:51 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 23:25:43 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > creation of Pacific/Kiritimati (+14:00), which became a press > > story at the start of the new millennium. > > > > $ TZ=Pacific/Kiritamati da

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 12:31:41 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:52:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 07:15:32 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > If I boot up two computers > > > > and they display different times,

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 12:26:05 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:51:32 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 10:02:43 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > set date_format="!It's %a %d%b%Y at %H:%M:%S here, where clocks are >

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Sun 23 Jun 2024 at 12:52:55 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > Have you ever pondered why the 'international date line' is so convoluted? Only on the odd occasion when an area decides to cross it, for whatever reason. Like Samoa recently. And before that, the creation of Pacific/Kiritimati (+1

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 18:35:34 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 21/6/24 14:28, David Wright wrote: > > You could pronounce your time written above as: > > > >"It's Thu 20Jun2024 at 20:51:19 here, where clocks are UTC+10:00" > > Excellent.

Re: dictd?

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Thu 20 Jun 2024 at 09:04:29 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 20/06/2024 00:31, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 22:15:20 +0500, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: > > > In my system mode bits on my home dir are `drwx--` so only my user > > > have access to it. > > > > Well, yeah. That

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 06:45:58 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 09:32:10AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 20/06/2024 11:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > "the system's > > > time zone" (of which some, me included, say "there's no such thing", > > > and others disagree 🙂

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 06:48:14 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 11:17:42PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 20 Jun 2024 at 22:58:53 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 09:32:10 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > >

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 07:15:32 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 23:17:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > And what am I to call the time that a system > > issues using that system default time zone? > > If you mean the current time translated into that t

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-22 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 10:02:43 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 18:35:34 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > On 21/6/24 14:28, David Wright wrote: > > > You could pronounce your time written above as: > > > > > >"It's Thu 20

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-20 Thread David Wright
On Thu 20 Jun 2024 at 21:00:38 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 17/6/24 18:26, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > > > It was late afternoon on 16Jun2024 that I wrote this. Possibly > > 18:13:36 when I pressed send. I'd reckon it would likely have been > > 08:13:36 UTC  What's wrong with my system c

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-20 Thread David Wright
On Thu 20 Jun 2024 at 22:58:53 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 09:32:10 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 20/06/2024 11:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > "the system's > > > time zone" (of which some, me included, say "there's no such thing", > > > and others disagree 🙂 > >

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 07:07:36 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 23:54:03 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > What should I call the timezone of my computer when it's booted up and > > no users are logged in? > > Daemons will almost always use the syste

RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 04:12:07 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 4:05 AM wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > [...] > > > I notice that man timedatectl says: > > > > > >set

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 10:04:45 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 19:40:30 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 01:20:53PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [..

Re: testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 19:29:31 (-0400), songbird wrote: > "df -x tmpfs" does the magic and gives me the better view that is > more useful. FWIW I define dfree as: df --output=source,ipcent,fstype,size,used,avail,pcent,target -B 100 -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs -x fuse.portal | sed -E 's/([^ ] )/\

System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-17 Thread David Wright
On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 19:40:30 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 01:20:53PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 18:22:29 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 09:14:38AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > &g

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-17 Thread David Wright
On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 18:47:41 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 17/6/24 14:20, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 16 Jun 2024 at 18:13:36 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > > > > > Some of my aliases stopped working after months of working as I > > > exp

Time, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-17 Thread David Wright
On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 10:23:46 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 09:14:38AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > You asked after your /system/ clock. I don't think I can tell whether > > it's set to UTC or Local Time, but only that it is correct, whichev

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-17 Thread David Wright
On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 18:26:19 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 16/6/24 23:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 06:13:36PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > It was late afternoon on 16Jun2024 that I wrote this. Possibly > 18:13:36 when I pressed send. I'd reckon it would like

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-16 Thread David Wright
Just some random thoughts: On Sun 16 Jun 2024 at 18:13:36 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > Some of my aliases stopped working after months of working as I > expected. And udating the .bash_aliases kept giving me an error > referring to an end of file before the matching ' in one of the last >

Re: Package libllvm12:i386 does not exists on Debian

2024-06-16 Thread David Wright
On Sun 16 Jun 2024 at 15:41:59 (+0200), Mario Marietto wrote: > root@debian-now:/home/marietto/Scaricati/wine-tkg-git/wine-tkg-git# apt > install libllvm12:i386 > E: Can't find package libllvm12:i386 > > So,I would like to know how to install the package "libllvm12:i386". > > I tried to look for

Re: system won't suspend automatically

2024-06-13 Thread David Wright
> Swap:0 0 0 You have no swap. Cheers, David.

Re: system won't suspend automatically

2024-06-10 Thread David Wright
Entire attribution and quote removed to avoid the mailing list treating this post as spam. Yes, but I don't know enough about modern monitor connections to know whether the monitor being on will inhibit the system from suspending. The docs for XFCE talk about preventing inconsistent configuration

Re: system won't suspend automatically

2024-06-10 Thread David Wright
On Mon 10 Jun 2024 at 15:05:23 (-0400), Eben King wrote: > Hi, I have a Debian 12 (Bookworm?) installation with XFCE as my DE. I have > three monitors, the left one is rotated CW so it's tall, and because lightdm > can't seem to get that or the monitor positions correct I wrote a script > that cal

Re: Impossible to install extensions with Gnome browser plugin

2024-06-08 Thread David Wright
On Fri 07 Jun 2024 at 22:34:58 (+0300), Jan Krapivin wrote: > пт, 7 июн. 2024 г. в 22:04, David Wright : > > On Fri 07 Jun 2024 at 20:06:27 (+0300), Jan Krapivin wrote: > > > Yes, you are right, maybe. Though Debian is probably a rare (if not the > > > only) distro

Re: Impossible to install extensions with Gnome browser plugin

2024-06-07 Thread David Wright
On Fri 07 Jun 2024 at 20:06:27 (+0300), Jan Krapivin wrote: > Yes, you are right, maybe. Though Debian is probably a rare (if not the > only) distro that still uses Gnome 43.9, which is, as i use Debian, my > case. And (maybe) a problem? I searched for gnome in https://packages.debian.org/index an

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Debian bookworm fails to install

2024-06-07 Thread David Wright
On Fri 07 Jun 2024 at 19:48:21 (+0200), Hans wrote: > Got it! Found the reason and a fix for it. > Just not easy to find. It is an dependency-problem! > > What happened? > > Well, in ~config/mylist.list.chroot I added the package "bootcd", which shoul > exist in my live- > system. During build t

Re: about 10th new install of bullseye BUT its not Bullseye, its bookworm!

2024-06-05 Thread David Wright
On Wed 05 Jun 2024 at 11:21:04 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > I have removed orca by removing its exec bits. But the system then > will not reboot, waiting forever for orca to start. The only recovery > possible is a re-install, which accounts for about the first 23 > installs. But just like no

Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic...

2024-06-03 Thread David Wright
On Tue 04 Jun 2024 at 09:30:53 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 03/06/2024 23:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used > > . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single > > exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated

Re: WAS: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ).. NOW~~The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

2024-06-03 Thread David Wright
On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 14:08:46 (-0500), Chris M wrote: > I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox > format to store emails. > It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client. > > Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox > a certain

Re: tree with dir size

2024-06-03 Thread David Wright
On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 18:29:17 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2024 at 10:45:28PM +0200, Franco Martelli wrote: > > On 03/06/24 at 16:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > duhs() { > > > ( > > >shopt -s dotglob > > >printf '%s\0' "${1:-.}"/*/ | xargs -0 du -sh > > >

Re: tree with dir size

2024-06-03 Thread David Wright
On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 15:03:37 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2024 at 01:11:57PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 10:32:16 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > duhs() ( > > > shopt -s dotglob > > > printf &

Re: tree with dir size

2024-06-03 Thread David Wright
On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 10:32:16 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > I'll also throw in one last piece of information because if I don't, > someone else is likely to do it, without a good explanation. > Syntactically, the body of a shell function doesn't have to be enclosed > in curly braces. The body c

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-05-31 Thread David Wright
On Fri 31 May 2024 at 17:30:19 (+0100), mick.crane wrote: > On 2024-05-31 13:58, gene heskett wrote: > > On 5/30/24 20:09, mick.crane wrote: > > > On 2024-05-29 15:07, Carter Zhang wrote: > > > > Are there any free apps for GNU/Linux and Android to share files over > > > > LAN? There have already b

Re: tree with dir size

2024-05-31 Thread David Wright
On Fri 31 May 2024 at 16:03:22 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 09:18:03PM +0200, Franco Martelli wrote: > > On 31/05/24 at 02:18, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Confusing and useless. I still don't have a better answer than this: > > > > > > hobbit:~$ tree --du -Fh /tmp/x | gr

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

2024-05-30 Thread David Wright
On Fri 31 May 2024 at 08:48:33 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > On 31/5/24 08:04, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 31 May 2024 at 07:57:22 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > > > On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > > > wget https://repo.skype.c

Re: Anybody Skype users here?

2024-05-30 Thread David Wright
On Fri 31 May 2024 at 07:57:22 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb > > > > Trying to access that URL with SeaMonkey, to view the directory > listing (to find version numbers), returned the following; >

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-05-30 Thread David Wright
On Wed 29 May 2024 at 18:20:25 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > i wonder why none of the electricians on this list has an anecdote to > share about dealing with "obsolete" packages after upgrade. > No triumphs, defeats, or global catastrophes ? Nowadays I install new releases from scratch, helped

Re: "Repeaters", etc.

2024-05-28 Thread David Wright
On Tue 28 May 2024 at 18:11:48 (+0100), debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Tue, 28 May 2024 11:31:29 +0100 "mick.crane" wrote: > > > > >Is there not some system that runs ethernet over the mains wiring or > > >did I misunderstand it. > > > > Yes, there is. I believe

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 May 2024 at 21:46:24 (+0200), Detlef Vollmann wrote: > On 5/27/24 20:02, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > > # apt install -t=bookworm db-util db5.3-util libc-bin libc-dev-bin > > > > > > > > I can never remember exactly what `-t` really does, but I suspect you'll > > > > need things like >

Re: "Repeaters", etc.

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 May 2024 at 22:23:01 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2024 17:09:02 -0400 > Paul M Foster wrote: > > >for internet (WHY aren't new houses wired with Cat5/6/7?). The local > > Cost > > Lack of understanding (in the building trade) We didn't meet any lack of understanding. R

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 May 2024 at 14:02:47 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > # apt install -t=bookworm db-util db5.3-util libc-bin libc-dev-bin > >> > >> I can never remember exactly what `-t` really does, but I suspect you'll > >> need things like > >> > >> apt install libc-bin/bookworm > > > > To i

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 May 2024 at 12:23:41 (-0400), Michael Grant wrote: > [ … ] > so I thought I'd try the same process with db5.3, but removing db5.3 > wants to remove a slew of packages: > > # apt reinstall -s libdb5.3/bookworm > ... > Selected version '5.3.28+dfsg2-1' (Debian:12.5/stable [amd64]) for 'lib

Re: moving some packages back to bookworm stable

2024-05-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 May 2024 at 09:56:54 (-0400), Michael Grant wrote: > What's the best way to get back to running just the bookworm stable > packages? I tried what I thought was the obvious way to fix this by > running: > > # apt install -t=bookworm db-util db5.3-util libc-bin libc-dev-bin > libc-devtoo

Re: Address 127.0.1.1

2024-05-24 Thread David Wright
On Fri 24 May 2024 at 13:40:38 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 11:13 AM Paul M Foster > wrote: > > > > Folks: > > > > In my /etc/hosts file, there's a line: > > > > 127.0.1.1 yosemite.mars.lan yosemite > > > > I think Debian put it there. > > > > Later in the file, I've g

Re: Aliases and OpenSMTPD

2024-05-24 Thread David Wright
On Fri 24 May 2024 at 13:08:56 (-0400), Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 06:40:09PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 11:45:56AM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > If I send an email directly to pa...@yosemite.mars.lan from buckaroo, it > > > arrives. That

Re: Will te UUID or blkid of a device change?

2024-05-23 Thread David Wright
On Wed 22 May 2024 at 21:19:35 (+0200), Hans wrote: > I am booting a lie system from USB-stick. In this live system I am creating > an > ISO-file, which I then want to dd onto another USB-stick. Do you want to copy the ISO to a file, a partition, or the whole device? > As I am doing this with a

Re: How to run automatically a script as soon root login

2024-05-13 Thread David Wright
On Mon 13 May 2024 at 21:18:30 (+0200), Mario Marietto wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:05 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 06:06:37PM +0200, Hans wrote: > > > Am Montag, 13. Mai 2024, 13:24:17 CEST schrieb Greg Wooledge: > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 07:36:07AM +0200, Richa

Re: Installing testing on Acer Aspire 315

2024-05-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 May 2024 at 21:10:16 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote: > On 5/9/2024 1:59 PM, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Thu, 9 May 2024 09:32:32 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: > > > > > The error I'm getting is during "Install base system."  The only way > > > I knew to save the log was with a camera. Even though

Re: [off topic] High Sierra, was: Cindex

2024-05-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 May 2024 at 21:52:05 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 12 May 2024 22:27:58 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > > >Hah ! Do they think that ISO 9660 is dead enough so they can highjack > >its birth name ? > > Happens all the time (just saying - not condoning); > > Solid State Drive - r

Re: Adding package to Debian Distro

2024-05-09 Thread David Wright
On Thu 09 May 2024 at 16:24:55 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2024-05-09, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Thu, 9 May 2024 14:09:52 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > > > >> I don't think there is a process by which you could add closed-source > >> IBM software to a bona fide Debian depository, even the non-free one

Re: Lightweight Emacs for container?

2024-05-06 Thread David Wright
On Mon 06 May 2024 at 19:37:39 (+), Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: > I usually use Emacs on full-blown Debian distributions, so I don't pay much > attention to how large it is. But I'm now starting to > play around with lightweight LXC containers, obviously headless, and would > like to keep us

Re: Bookworm's /etc/mailcap seems to break s-nail

2024-05-06 Thread David Wright
On Mon 06 May 2024 at 14:53:10 (+0200), Jesper Dybdal wrote: > The package versions involved are: > * in Bullseye: >    mailcap/oldstable,now 3.69 all [installed,automatic] >    s-nail/oldstable,now 14.9.22-1 amd64 [installed] > * In Bookworm: >    mailcap/stable,now 3.70+nmu1 all [installed,autom

Re: [SOLVED] Trouble/bug with initramfs-tools adding encrypted swap partition

2024-04-25 Thread David Wright
On Fri 26 Apr 2024 at 11:27:24 (+0900), John Crawley wrote: > On 24/04/2024 22:37, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 24 Apr 2024 at 14:50:36 (+0200), Richard wrote: > > > upon gathering my thoughts for answering to you I found the solution to > > > this: update-initramfs

Re: youtube-dl blocked?

2024-04-24 Thread David Wright
On Wed 24 Apr 2024 at 10:50:06 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 10:31:44PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > The latest version of youtube-dl , makes it too old to try to use now; if > > you can get it working with youtube, good luck to you. > > > > An unmaintained package, that

Re: [SOLVED] Trouble/bug with initramfs-tools adding encrypted swap partition

2024-04-24 Thread David Wright
On Wed 24 Apr 2024 at 14:50:36 (+0200), Richard wrote: > upon gathering my thoughts for answering to you I found the solution to > this: update-initramfs can't handle the case that crypttab ends in the line > of the last entry and not in a new line character. I think there either > should be a fix

Re: youtube-dl blocked?

2024-04-24 Thread David Wright
On Wed 24 Apr 2024 at 06:58:02 (+0200), Marco Moock wrote: > Am 23.04.2024 um 23:15:17 Uhr schrieb Markos: > > > The site https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html > > > > is blocked? > > Please specify that more precisely. > Run > > host ytdl-org.github.io $ host ytdl-org.github.io

Re: [OFFTOPIC] youtube-dl blocked?

2024-04-23 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Apr 2024 at 23:19:48 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The site https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html > > is blocked? > > Now that you got answers, a question: what made you post this here? > AFAICT this has nothing to do with Debian (if you use Debian, you'd > more natura

Re: youtube-dl blocked?

2024-04-23 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Apr 2024 at 23:15:17 (-0300), Markos wrote: > The site https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html > > is blocked? > > Is there any other alternative to download videos from Youtube in > Linux command line? That site works here, but I don't think that's important. It appears to

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread David Wright
On Sun 21 Apr 2024 at 21:59:21 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Do you have any suggestion as to which list would be better to contact? > > Original: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00324.html > > Maybe `reportbug debian-installer`? but perhaps without all the deception crap, un

Re: Debian 12.5 up-to-date Xfce, Firefox clings to USB stick

2024-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 15 Apr 2024 at 18:52:33 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2024-04-15, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 14 Apr 2024 at 14:24:29 (-), Curt wrote: > >> On 2024-04-04, Max Nikulin wrote: > >> > > >> > If you do not trust Gmail as a web application, use a m

Re: Debian 12.5 up-to-date Xfce, Firefox clings to USB stick

2024-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Sun 14 Apr 2024 at 14:24:29 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2024-04-04, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > > If you do not trust Gmail as a web application, use a mail application > > that supports IMAP. > > > > Gmail supports IMAP since more or less forever. AIUI the OP's problem was not when reading mail,

Re: tbird troubles

2024-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Tue 16 Apr 2024 at 01:20:03 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM

Re: inconsistency in the symlinks under /etc/systemd

2024-04-12 Thread David Wright
On Wed 10 Apr 2024 at 14:36:20 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 7:00 AM Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > On one machine, I have > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2023-10-07 13:43:24 > > /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dm-event.socket -> > > /lib/systemd/system/dm-e

Re: inconsistency in the symlinks under /etc/systemd

2024-04-12 Thread David Wright
On Thu 11 Apr 2024 at 19:28:48 (+0200), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2024-04-10 23:47:36 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 11 Apr 2024 at 03:36:59 (+0200), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2024-04-10 09:52:51 -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > I'd hazard it&#x

Re: inconsistency in the symlinks under /etc/systemd

2024-04-10 Thread David Wright
On Thu 11 Apr 2024 at 03:36:59 (+0200), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2024-04-10 09:52:51 -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > > I'd hazard it's a consequence of usrmerge being the "default state" in > > one installation and not the other. > > Both machines have always been usr-merged (i.e. from the Debian >

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