On Thu, Jun 17, 1999 at 01:07:51AM +1000, Shao Zhang wrote
On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:35:52AM -0400, Kristopher Johnson wrote:
I'm the guy that asked which package had the HOWTOs. I know it seemed like
a dumb question, but I did try searching on HOWTO in both dselect and on
the Debian web
I just did a quick search on the debian web site with the keyword HOWTO,
this
is what I got:
Search Results
Release Quality Package (size)
stable100% doc-linux-es 1998.08-1 (739.8k)
On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:05:39 +, you wrote:
On Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 23:26:35 -0600, Craig McPherson wrote:
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As one Debian newbie
E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
Debian installation manual is not at all the worst one. It is quite good
actually. But it definetely isn't easy to find on the website instructions
how to get started...
This is getting on my nerves...
* go to www.debian.org
* note the section `Getting
a brick wall.
- Kris
-Original Message-
From: Eric Gillespie, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:01 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: BE MORE SIMPLE
On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:31:54AM +0200,
Urban Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
But certainly this was intended to be an automated feature, right?
Is it a flag that you give to dpkg, or the compiled default in some
later version (I'm running 1.4.0.34, and have no Contents), or just
the result of a bunch of Debian users deciding it was a Good Idea
to schedule a cron job to
Marc Mongeon wrote:
But certainly this was intended to be an automated feature, right?
Is it a flag that you give to dpkg, or the compiled default in some
later version (I'm running 1.4.0.34, and have no Contents), or just
the result of a bunch of Debian users deciding it was a Good Idea
to
Gertjan Klein wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:25:14 -0400, Kristopher Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My reaction was to
the people who are glad that Linux isn't too easy, because they enjoy the
challenge. Adversity builds character, I guess.
Well said. In addition, the reverse also
Keith G. Murphy wrote:
Personally, I think that explains a lot of Y2K: managers have allowed
themselves to abdicate responsibility for what goes on inside the glass
room. Right now, there's even a bill before Congress to limit
companies' liability for Y2K problems. As if they're acts of God
On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:54:01 -0500, Keith G. Murphy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would add that GUI does not equate to ease-of-use. Look at the
oft-derided dselect: it's actually quite a good wizard (takes you
through everything you need to do step by step). The bad parts of it
are probably the
Kirk Hogenson wrote:
Marc Mongeon wrote:
But certainly this was intended to be an automated feature, right?
Is it a flag that you give to dpkg, or the compiled default in some
later version (I'm running 1.4.0.34, and have no Contents), or just
the result of a bunch of Debian users
On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 10:34:25AM +, Gertjan Klein wrote:
The people who manage the creation of software-based products are
typically
either hostage to programmers because they are insufficiently
technical, or they are
all too sympathetic to programmers because they are programmers
Subject: Re: BE MORE SIMPLE
Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 09:11:49AM -0700
In reply to:Clyde Wilson
Quoting Clyde Wilson([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:31:54AM +0200,
Urban Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I kind of hate to jump into a string like this but at the risk of
sounding real stupid how can one create this
/var/lib/dpkg/Contents-i386.gz file. I've searched for it on my Slink
system and it just isn't there. I took a look at the dpkg man page and
see no reference to the file. I see that
:35 PM
To: Kirk Hogenson
Cc: Kristopher Johnson; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: BE MORE SIMPLE
Kirk Hogenson wrote:
[incredibly helpful explanation snipped]
I hope this helps, and good luck getting your sound card working.
And please ask here if you run into problems. You
Kristopher Johnson wrote:
Yes, this was a great explanation. Thanks!
And my apologies to Eric: my response was intended to be good-natured, but
in re-reading it, I guess it actually looks pretty hostile. Unfortunately,
I didn't really make my point clear. I didn't mean to try to defend
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:25:14 -0400, Kristopher Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My reaction was to
the people who are glad that Linux isn't too easy, because they enjoy the
challenge. Adversity builds character, I guess.
Well said. In addition, the reverse also seems to apply;
point-and-click
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Gertjan Klein wrote:
point-and-click interfaces suck, because they are too easy. Windows
could learn a lot from Linux in terms of performance, power and
stability, but Linux doesn't even come close to the ease of installation
and use you'll find with Windows. This is not
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:04:56 +0930 (CST), Michael Talbot-Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A few phrases of your mail:
Contemptible complaints and demands, self-important and self-serving
claim, laughable, a shithead, completely bogus, intolerant and
demanding, a lame and inefficient user.
I
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Gertjan Klein wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:04:56 +0930 (CST), Michael Talbot-Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A few phrases of your mail:
Contemptible complaints and demands, self-important and self-serving
claim, laughable, a shithead, completely bogus, intolerant
On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:35:52AM -0400,
Kristopher Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm the guy that asked which package had the HOWTOs. I know it seemed like
a dumb question, but I did try searching on HOWTO in both dselect and on
the Debian web site, and came up with nothing. And I
On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:08:04PM -0500,
ktb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I kind of hate to jump into a string like this but at the risk of
sounding real stupid how can one create this
/var/lib/dpkg/Contents-i386.gz file. I've searched for it on my Slink
system and it just isn't there. I took a
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Urban Gabor wrote:
The moral from the original rather rash message can serve very good the
whole Linux/Debian community. It is indeed very hard to convince people to
use Linux when the starting informaiton is filled with jargon.
I agree quite completely.
The users
On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:31:54AM +0200,
Urban Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no disrespect, but M$ makes you forget thinking. (Cf the subscription! :-)
)
I would suggest an other install description with step-by-step texts of
what to do. And redesinging Debian web site can help a lot.
Debian installation manual is not at all the worst one. It is quite good
actually. But it definetely isn't easy to find on the website instructions
how to get started...
This is getting on my nerves...
* go to www.debian.org
* note the section `Getting Started', which is the second below
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
Debian installation manual is not at all the worst one. It is quite good
actually. But it definetely isn't easy to find on the website instructions
how to get started...
This is getting on my nerves...
So just forget it.
Everything can
, 1999 3:01 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: BE MORE SIMPLE
On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:31:54AM +0200,
Urban Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no disrespect, but M$ makes you forget thinking. (Cf the subscription! :-)
)
I would suggest an other install description with step-by-step
I'm the guy that asked which package had the HOWTOs. I know it seemed like
a dumb question, but I did try searching on HOWTO in both dselect and on
the Debian web site, and came up with nothing. And I started paging through
the 2700+ packages shown in dselect, but gave up after an hour or
Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote:
For example, someone asked if there was a package
containing the Howtos. Instead of telling him the name of the package,
he should have been told how to grep the Contents file, that way he
can find things on his own instead of asking the list every time.
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
People are often lazy. A lot of things might be improved about the
debian website, but if people argue things like `it is hard to find the
installation manual on the web site', they just didn't try. Most of
the mails on this list tend to be
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
Debian installation manual is not at all the worst one. It is quite good
actually. But it definetely isn't easy to find on the website instructions
how to get started...
This is getting on my nerves...
* go to www.debian.org
* note
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:31:54AM +0200,
Urban Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no disrespect, but M$ makes you forget thinking. (Cf the subscription! :-)
)
It is not Wintendo that makes people forget how to think, it is something
We
Another place to find that elusive package is by searching through the
available package database in /var/lib/dpkg/available with something like
less -i
I use that a lot. You may have to tweak your string a bit or show
patience when searching, because some words are used a lot.
Ciao!
--
Harp
Kirk Hogenson wrote:
snip
Anyway, let me describe what Eric was talking about. The file
/var/lib/dpkg/Contents-i386.gz contains information about which
package contains what. If you want to find the HOWTO's, for
example, try something like:
zgrep HOWTO /var/lib/dpkg/Contents-i386.gz
Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: BE MORE SIMPLE
Debian installation manual is not at all the worst one. It is quite good
actually. But it definetely isn't easy to find on the website
instructions
how to get started...
This is getting on my nerves...
* go
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From: debian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Shao Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Craig McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org;
John Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: BE MORE SIMPLE
I agree
I do not want to continue the line, but I could not withold some comments:
The moral from the original rather rash message can serve very good the
whole Linux/Debian community. It is indeed very hard to convince people to
use Linux when the starting informaiton is filled with jargon. The users
On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:31:54 +0200, Urban Gabor wrote:
I would suggest an other install description with step-by-step texts of
what to do. And redesinging Debian web site can help a lot.
There's a Dutch saying de beste stuurlui staan aan wal which amounts to
the best drivers are standing on
Webmaster at Debian,
How in the world do I download Debian? I've been at your site for 30
MINUTES and have gone to every distribution link on it, but there's no
singular link that actually downloads ALL 2250 files of Debian, and WHO
in the world is going to down load TWO THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED
Try reading the install documentation. It tells you all you need to know
about installing the base system. From there, you download packages.gz
files that have lists of packages and you select which ones you want.
This is all taken care of in the installation process so all you need to
do is
First of all, calm down. Debian is produced by volunteers, on their own
time. It's not a company and no one is being paid. So if you aren't
willing to work on the web site, at least be polite!
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, John Hall wrote:
Webmaster at Debian,
How in the world do I download Debian?
On 8 Jun 99, at 20:57, John Hall wrote:
How in the world do I download Debian? I've been at your site for 30
MINUTES and have gone to every distribution link on it, but there's no
singular link that actually downloads ALL 2250 files of Debian, and WHO
in the world is going to down load TWO
John Hall wrote:
Webmaster at Debian,
How in the world do I download Debian? I've been at your site for 30
MINUTES and have gone to every distribution link on it, but there's no
singular link that actually downloads ALL 2250 files of Debian, and WHO
in the world is going to down load
John Hall wrote:
Webmaster at Debian,
How in the world do I download Debian? I've been at your site for 30
PS: When you go to the Installion Instructions page, then you'll need to
select the installation instructions for the architecture of your
machine (probably Intel x86); that link
Robert Rati wrote:
You are obviously frustrated, but you can get
more flies with honey than vinegar.
But he wants more files, not flies.
Sorry. ;-)
On 09-Jun-99 Craig McPherson wrote:
5. Don't get frustrated! For me, figuring out which files I had to
download to get a base system up running was much harder than
the installation itself! :) (well, except for rescuing my partition table
from the brink of oblivion, that was kinda
On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Craig McPherson wrote:
On 8 Jun 99, at 20:57, John Hall wrote:
How in the world do I download Debian? I've been at your site for 30
MINUTES and have gone to every distribution link on it, but there's no
singular link that actually downloads ALL
On Tuesday, June 08, 1999 at 23:26:35 -0600, Craig McPherson wrote:
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As one Debian newbie to another,
As a non-newbie ...
Thirty minutes
If you really want linux-in-a-file... I believe Slackware has a ZipSlack
distribution... Slackware in one big ( 30something megs? ) Zip file you
stick on your M$ partition unzip, and loadlin into...
for this and lots of other Linux goodies try:
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux
Sorry to
, and as
you achieve each small goal, you will find it to be rewarding and well worth
while.
So hang in there !
regards,
Andrew
-Original Message-
From: John Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 1:58 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: BE MORE
I agree George.. I went from Slackware (used it for 4 years) to using Debian
just 7 days ago.. Debian and apt-get rocks.
Sorry to advertize another distro on the Debian list : ) but this might
not be a bad option if one is just trying out linux and doesn't want to
repartition, and personally...
Pollywog wrote:
On 09-Jun-99 Craig McPherson wrote:
5. Don't get frustrated! For me, figuring out which files I had to
download to get a base system up running was much harder than
the installation itself! :) (well, except for rescuing my partition table
from the brink of oblivion,
debian wrote:
I agree George.. I went from Slackware (used it for 4 years) to using Debian
just 7 days ago.. Debian and apt-get rocks.
Amen! I installed SuSE and RedHat on my other computer, and then
realized that I couldn't upgrade quite as easily. Needless to say, I
scrubbed its drives
Well, I'm not a linux newbie, and I've been using debian for almost a
year.
First, praise: I installed slackware from scratch in '95. I installed
debian from scratch in '98. If M$ could make a ease-of-use jump that
large in 3 years i wouldn't care if they took over the world. They
can't. We
Pollywog writes:
Is there a place where I can get a bootable CD to install from so that I
don't
need the base floppies? CheapBytes disks seem to have problems in this
regard
(some versions).
--
Andrew
I have already installed four home systems booting from cheapbytes cds.
Hmmm, I got my discs from cheapbytes and they boot fine. In fact all
of
my cheapbytes discs boot okay. Actually that's a bit misleading since
I
only have three sets ;)
Cheap bytes had got a bad rap when they blew the dependancies and
simlinks on debian 2.0 and included a bad upgrad script. (even
On 09-Jun-99 Kenneth Scharf wrote:
Hmmm, I got my discs from cheapbytes and they boot fine. In fact all
of
my cheapbytes discs boot okay. Actually that's a bit misleading since
I
only have three sets ;)
Cheap bytes had got a bad rap when they blew the dependancies and
simlinks on debian 2.0
On 09-Jun-99 Paulo J. da Silva e Silva wrote:
Pollywog writes:
Is there a place where I can get a bootable CD to install from so that I
don't
need the base floppies? CheapBytes disks seem to have problems in this
regard
(some versions).
--
Andrew
I have already
I cannot install Debian from my Cheapbytes Slink CD without the base
floppies,
but I believe I can do it from the Hamm CD, also from Cheapbytes.
With
the
Slink CD, the installation stops because of an error with the ncurses
package.
Hmmm I did not have this problem installing on my other computer
On 09-Jun-99 Kenneth Scharf wrote:
I cannot install Debian from my Cheapbytes Slink CD without the base
floppies,
but I believe I can do it from the Hamm CD, also from Cheapbytes.
With
the
Slink CD, the installation stops because of an error with the ncurses
package.
Hmmm I did not have this
Judith Bush wrote:
My experience yesterday helps me sympathize with the original
poster. My personal installation last year went beautifully as i ran
from a bootable cd. On the other hand, I run debian at work, where i'm
developing a kiosk system. I've a handful of thin clients -- NONE WITH
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