Hal Vaughan wrote:
> Isn't there an archive for non GPL'ed software, as well?
There is a great deal of Free, DFSG-compliant software in Debian/Main that
is not GPL'd. The X Window System is a prominent example.
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On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 03:15:59PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Sunday 23 April 2006 12:23, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Count me as one for apt. I like the social contract, but I have to run
> a business. While I try to avoid non-FOSS, I'm not going to let my
> business fail or spend months or years
Mike McCarty wrote:
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned:
[some snippage]
In this context, free software user can never buy the software from
a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary
contact between Debian and its developers and thus no one c
chris roddy wrote:
> Mike McCarty wrote:
>> I don't want to "change the social order" or "be
>> the downfall of capitalism", or "kill MicroSoft" or any of
>> the other "social goals" so often associated with Linux.
> It sounds like you have gravely misunderstood the debian social
> contract, or yo
Mike McCarty wrote:
> I don't want to "change the social order" or "be
> the downfall of capitalism", or "kill MicroSoft" or any of
> the other "social goals" so often associated with Linux.
It sounds like you have gravely misunderstood the debian social
contract, or you have not read it.
cmr
Chris Lale wrote:
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
Include my name in the list of "people for whom social contract is the
#1 point" also. When Debian ceases to be Free, then Debian ceases to
retain my loyalty.
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>>
1 more here.
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:20:37AM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:58 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU
myself. ;)
I want IceBUNTU :-)
Hans
how about wmUbinti?
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned:
[some snippage]
In this context, free software user can never buy the software from
a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary
contact between Debian and its developers and thus no one can make
the free softw
On Apr 21 2006, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Look, comes down to this. I'm tired of wrangling with my machine to do
> anything on both sides of the fence. Windows is pissing me off daily and
> this constant fighting for the basic stuff now on the Linux side is pissing
> me off just as much. For a time m
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 02:18:27PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 April 2006 10:02, Digby Tarvin wrote:
>
> > I don't think I am here primarily for the social contract.
> [...]
> > I like the policy of
> > providing mechanism without mandating how it is used.
>
> Sounds like you summ
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 10:02, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> I don't think I am here primarily for the social contract.
[...]
> I like the policy of
> providing mechanism without mandating how it is used.
Sounds like you summarized the social contract in one sentence.
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:14:49PM +0100, Chris Lale wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
> >On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> >>Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> >>>On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >>>Include my name in the list of "people for whom soc
Chris Lale wrote:
[ snipped 46 lines of quoted material ]
> And another.
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On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote:
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right
fr
On Monday 24 April 2006 09:27, Steve Lamb wrote:
> I find it
> mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's
> social contract are some of the most anti-social one can run across.
I think Chris could just as easily say the same about you.
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Doofus wrote:
Steve Lamb wrote:
chris roddy wrote:
so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your
show has gotten tiresome.
Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it
mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedl
Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If that is the missing quote to which you were referring, then yes, it
> was more relevent than the later reference to apt-get'ing msttcorefonts.
>
> But I didn't interpret it as meaining 'there are lots of efforts going
> on in this direction'. It sounde
Steve Lamb wrote:
chris roddy wrote:
so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your
show has gotten tiresome.
Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it
mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's
soci
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 05:38:13PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:55:00AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadabl
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:20:37AM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:58 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU
> > myself. ;)
>
> I want IceBUNTU :-)
>
> Hans
>
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On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >
> >> Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right
> >>> from the front page. Maybe
chris roddy wrote:
> so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your
> show has gotten tiresome.
Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it
mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's
social contract are some of th
Steve Lamb wrote:
> A little more pragmatism and a little less haughty zealotry.
>
so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your
show has gotten tiresome.
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> On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:55:00AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadable firmware
> > > for
> > > a particular network adapter prevent it from bei
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:56:41 -0600
"Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Er, Christopher, you might want to take a look at the email address
> Joey uses and consider the context of his message.
>
> Hint: http://people.debian.org/~joey/
Mmmm, wrong Joey, I think.
Maybe this one is the
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:55:00AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadable firmware for
> > a particular network adapter prevent it from being included on the install
> > CD, then perhaps the instal
Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadable firmware for
> a particular network adapter prevent it from being included on the install
> CD, then perhaps the install CD can be made to look for additional software
> on a USB pen that can b
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:14:27PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned:
>
> [some snippage]
>
> > In this context, free software user can never buy the software from
> > a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary
> > contact between Debian
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 12:34:46AM +0100, Merlin, the Mage wrote:
> On Sunday 23 April 2006 23:14, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> > I don't understand why the idea of spending money to get an open
> > source solution seems, apparently, unreasonable to you. I'm grateful
> > for all of the free (as in b
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 12:24:34AM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> software. Or perhaps we can find a way to make it easier for people to
> avoid buying hardware that relies on license restricted software in the
> first place.
Now *that* would be useful!
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On Sunday 23 April 2006 23:14, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> I don't understand why the idea of spending money to get an open
> source solution seems, apparently, unreasonable to you. I'm grateful
> for all of the free (as in beer) open source software I'm able to use.
> But as a developer, I'd get m
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 03:55:27PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
>
> In general, I agree. A suggestion to change something to be more
> useful shouldn't be met with derision.
>
> In this case, however, it seems to me that several people, including a
> debian dev, have tried to explain why the
On 2006-04-23, Kevin Mark penned:
[some snippage]
> In this context, free software user can never buy the software from
> a company because their is no company and their is no legal monetary
> contact between Debian and its developers and thus no one can make
> the free software developers do any
On 2006-04-23, Hal Vaughan penned:
>>
>> Here's what I don't understand: If you like what other distributions
>> do better, why are you so busy trying to convince debian to change?
>> Why not just switch to one of the several distros you've mentioned?
>
> This may not be a logical fallacy. If not,
Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I do know this: after the one bug report I filed recently and the lack
> of dialog and negative response I got from a developer, I'll be rather
> unlikely to ever file bug reports again. It's a different situation,
> but the same frustration: This is the way it is, and if y
On Sunday 23 April 2006 12:23, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> > Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the
> > developers what "most people" want when they're not paying
> > customers?
>
> Go through the archives of this list and read how many times
> people cite
On Sunday 23 April 2006 12:47, Joey Hess wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > From my observation, whenever something like this comes up on this
> > list, there are those who listen and are willing to pay attention
> > to constructive criticism and others who can't and keep saying
> > things like the ab
Hal Vaughan wrote:
> From my observation, whenever something like this comes up on this list,
> there are those who listen and are willing to pay attention to
> constructive criticism and others who can't and keep saying things like
> the above comment or developers that can't accept criticism a
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:52:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Christopher Nelson wrote:
> > Did you buy it knowing you were going to use it under linux? If so,
> > it's you problem. If not, the answer's simple--don't give them any more
> > money and tell us, so we don't give them money until they
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:28:43AM +0100, Doofus wrote:
> Christopher Nelson wrote:
>
> >On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Christopher Nelson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:13:34PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> I believe you misunderstand Joey's post. He's not asking for any help.
> He's just pointing out to Steve Lamb that Steve has ignored his previous
> post, which follows this timeline (as I recall it).
Thank you Kent and Joey and
On Sunday 23 April 2006 00:01, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2006-04-22, Steve Lamb penned:
> > Same drivers installed on Mepis, one mouseclick, not even 5
> > minutes. And Mepis is Debian based so there's nothing there
> > that Debian couldn't do if it wanted to be more than a badge o
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the developers
> what "most people" want when they're not paying customers?
Go through the archives of this list and read how many times people cite
Apt as the reason they use and stick with Debian. The social c
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> Here's what I don't understand: If you like what other distributions
> do better, why are you so busy trying to convince debian to change?
> Why not just switch to one of the several distros you've mentioned?
Several? I've mentioned one. Why? Because at the core i
On 2006-04-23, Rogério Brito penned:
>
> He translated a helluva strings and, still, after talking with the
> responsible people on IRC (to get the work of this student
> integrated soon), I asked if they were willing to feed it back to
> Debian or upstream and the response I got wasn't that "human
On 04/21/06 19:58, Steve Lamb wrote:
> And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU
> myself. ;)
Indeed. I'm on the same boat here...
After using "pure" ubuntu on an old laptop of mine I wouldn't expect it to run
s poorly.
With all the talk about Gnome getting le
Hi there.
On 04/20/06 17:21, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> If all the Ubuntu patches make into Debian then that would be a
> huge boost for Debian!
Well, this seems to be a point where there must be some work left to do: not all
patches are being feed back to Debian (or upstream, for that matter).
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 11:11:06PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> > No. I am not advocating that Debian do anything legal. But there is a
>
> Of course I meant illegal here, not legal. Oh for the ability to stop
> sending upon seeing errors like this a split second after
Christopher Nelson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Christopher Nelson wrote:
I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it.
I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
Okay,
Steve Lamb wrote:
> No. I am not advocating that Debian do anything legal. But there is a
Of course I meant illegal here, not legal. Oh for the ability to stop
sending upon seeing errors like this a split second after hitting send. :)
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Joey Hess wrote:
> Er, my point is that whinging about Debian's policy not allowing it to
> support installing to hardware that needs non-free drivers is pointless
> when there are examples of hardware that needs non-free drivers which
> Debian has been made to install to just fine. Most of this th
Kent West wrote:
> I believe you misunderstand Joey's post. He's not asking for any help.
> He's just pointing out to Steve Lamb that Steve has ignored his previous
> post, which follows this timeline (as I recall it).
I haven't ignored it. I am just not prone to "me too" posts. If I agree
w
Christopher Nelson wrote:
> Did you buy it knowing you were going to use it under linux? If so,
> it's you problem. If not, the answer's simple--don't give them any more
> money and tell us, so we don't give them money until they rectify the
> situation.
I bought it based on recommendations
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:08:12PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2006-04-22, Steve Lamb penned:
> >
> > Funny, the #1 point for most people is apt, not the social
> > contract. #1 for *you* maybe.
>
> Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the developers
> what "mos
On 2006-04-22, Steve Lamb penned:
>
> Funny, the #1 point for most people is apt, not the social
> contract. #1 for *you* maybe.
Who are these most people, and why should it matter to the developers
what "most people" want when they're not paying customers?
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On 2006-04-22, Steve Lamb penned:
>
> Same drivers installed on Mepis, one mouseclick, not even 5
> minutes. And Mepis is Debian based so there's nothing there
> that Debian couldn't do if it wanted to be more than a badge of
> pride and actually attempt to address t he userbase ev
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 22:13 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Christopher Nelson wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> >
> >> Christopher Nelson wrote:
> >>
Major snips
>
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On 2006-04-23, Christopher Nelson penned:
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
>> Christopher Nelson wrote:
>> > I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't
>> > quote it.
>>
>> I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely
>> <[EMAIL PROTE
Christopher Nelson wrote:
> Okay, after some searching I found it (at:
> http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060421.170836.4a9c52cc.en.html
> for the interested) and I'm afraid I cannot comment too much on it. I
> also don't know how much useful response you would get here, even if the
>
Christopher Nelson wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
>
>> Christopher Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it.
>>>
>> I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely
>> <[EMAIL PROTECT
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Christopher Nelson wrote:
> > I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it.
>
> I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
Okay, after some searching I found it (at:
ht
Christopher Nelson wrote:
> I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it.
I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
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On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 06:13:42PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Congrats on ignoring my message to this thread and contining with
> semi-uselesss discussions on issues that were addressed in it, rather
> than doing anything useful or interesting..
If you didn't get an answer to a question, care to br
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 02:30:34PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > First, there isn't an Ethernet card Linux can't find these days, so that's
> > kind of an empty argument.
>
> Bull, Paul. Want me to mail you the one that's useless for me since it
> wasn't detected and the
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:34:51PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 22 April 2006 13:04, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > There's nothing stopping you from installing nonfree software on your
> > > system. You just probably won't be able to apt-get it. Case in point:
> > >
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote:
>
>> Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
>>
>>> Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right
>>> from the front page. Maybe people should be choosing other distros if
>>> they don't like bullet ite
Congrats on ignoring my message to this thread and contining with
semi-uselesss discussions on issues that were addressed in it, rather
than doing anything useful or interesting..
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> First, there isn't an Ethernet card Linux can't find these days, so that's
> kind of an empty argument.
Bull, Paul. Want me to mail you the one that's useless for me since it
wasn't detected and the documentation to get it going was beyond confusing?
It's best use right
On Saturday 22 April 2006 13:04, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > There's nothing stopping you from installing nonfree software on your
> > system. You just probably won't be able to apt-get it. Case in point:
> > You can get games for Linux at WalMart for around $20 per title.
>
>
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:04:09PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > There's nothing stopping you from installing nonfree software on your
> > system.
> > You just probably won't be able to apt-get it. Case in point: You can get
> > games for Linux at WalMart for around $20 p
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 11:14 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
[snip]
>
> > I don't even understand this paragraph.
>
> 1% = total Linux install.
I'd say 5%, but that's just a quibble.
> Subset of 1% = Debian's cut of the above.
More like 20%.
> IE, if Debian user
Paul Johnson wrote:
> There's nothing stopping you from installing nonfree software on your system.
>
> You just probably won't be able to apt-get it. Case in point: You can get
> games for Linux at WalMart for around $20 per title.
Sure there is. We're talking about the install here.
On Saturday 22 April 2006 11:14, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> > Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right
> > from the front page. Maybe people should be choosing other distros if
> > they don't like bullet item number one of the social contract. Debia
On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> > Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right
> > from the front page. Maybe people should be choosing other distros if
> > they don't like bullet item number one of the social contract. Debia
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right
> from the front page. Maybe people should be choosing other distros if
> they don't like bullet item number one of the social contract. Debian
> without the social contract would be just another distr
On 2006-04-21, Steve Lamb penned:
>
> Because Debian sucks just as much. What wins people over? It
> certai nly isn't "Oh, well, that can work if you do this and
> this and this..." Know what most do "Ok, fine, hi Bill, here's
> another $300 for the pro edition this 3 years. Se
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 08:55:15AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Digby Tarvin wrote:
> >
> > My personal experience has been that it us much easier and faster to get
> > a workable system installed using Ubuntu, but Debian is the more versatile
> > once you have spent the time getting it setu
On Saturday 22 April 2006 09:50, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 21 April 2006 09:53, Chris Lale wrote:
> > > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > > >6) Have something up and running in no time for a desktop
> > > > Ubuntu wins over debian any moment
Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 21 April 2006 09:53, Chris Lale wrote:
> > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > >6) Have something up and running in no time for a desktop
> > > Ubuntu wins over debian any moment.
> >
> > I don't follow this. Install just one package (KDE or
On Saturday 22 April 2006 00:11, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Friday 21 April 2006 09:53, Chris Lale wrote:
> > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > >6) Have something up and running in no time for a desktop
> > > Ubuntu wins over debian any moment.
> >
> > I don't follow this. Install just one pack
On Friday 21 April 2006 16:31, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Instead of ranting at how Debian sucks for taking the moral high ground,
> > why not rag on developers that take the moral low ground with inferior
> > and proprietary licensing? Why should Debian play nicely with developer
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 03:58:20PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > The Ubuntu guys felt that it would be cool to install GNOME without
> > bothering
> > the user. Both have different goals and are targetted to different users.
> > Both
> > decisions are good. It is an is
Paul Johnson wrote:
> Instead of ranting at how Debian sucks for taking the moral high ground, why
> not rag on developers that take the moral low ground with inferior and
> proprietary licensing? Why should Debian play nicely with developers that
> won't play nice themselves? Why should Debia
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:58 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU
> myself. ;)
I want IceBUNTU :-)
Hans
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On Friday 21 April 2006 14:03, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > What if the not-so-open alternative is not redistributable without some
> > sort of licensing agreement. Then the Debian project can strike an
> > agrement with the developers, but then you would not be allowed to
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> The Ubuntu guys felt that it would be cool to install GNOME without bothering
> the user. Both have different goals and are targetted to different users. Both
> decisions are good. It is an issue with defaults.
And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiti
On Friday 21 April 2006 09:53, Chris Lale wrote:
> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> >6) Have something up and running in no time for a desktop
> > Ubuntu wins over debian any moment.
>
> I don't follow this. Install just one package (KDE or Gnome) and you
> have an instant, fully functional desktop.
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> What if the not-so-open alternative is not redistributable without some
> sort of licensing agreement. Then the Debian project can strike an
> agrement with the developers, but then you would not be allowed to make
> copies and give them to your friends.
I'd be fin
Chris Lale wrote:
> Ha! This put Debian 4th on my list - use with caution.
On the other hand it is how I found about Mepis. :D
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Chris Lale wrote:
Andrew Schulman wrote:
I am new to LINUX and somewhat dismaid/confused about the various
distributions.
Maybe the Linux Distribution Chooser can help:
http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?firsttime=true .
Ha! This put Debian 4th on my list - use with caution
Steve Lamb wrote:
> Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > Consequently I think Debian's more restrictive policy on hardware support
> > during and after installation is a disadvantage. By all means give
> > preference
> > to free and open software where there are alternatives, but the time to
> > worry
> > abo
Steve Lamb wrote:
Digby Tarvin wrote:
Consequently I think Debian's more restrictive policy on hardware support
during and after installation is a disadvantage. By all means give preference
to free and open software where there are alternatives, but the time to worry
about the open source frien
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
6) Have something up and running in no time for a desktop
Ubuntu wins over debian any moment.
I don't follow this. Install just one package (KDE or Gnome) and you
have an instant, fully functional desktop.
Chris.
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Andrew Schulman wrote:
I am new to LINUX and somewhat dismaid/confused about the various
distributions.
Maybe the Linux Distribution Chooser can help:
http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?firsttime=true .
Ha! This put Debian 4th on my list - use with caution.
Chris.
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Fernando Augusto Bender wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 09:01 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>
>>Steve Lamb wrote:
>>
>>>I agree. I'm all for openness and freedom, don't get me wrong. But I
>>>hardly see how openness and freedom that forces people into a certain
>>>position
>>>is either op
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 09:01 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> >
> > I agree. I'm all for openness and freedom, don't get me wrong. But I
> > hardly see how openness and freedom that forces people into a certain
> > position
> > is either open or free. It's just another
Steve Lamb wrote:
>
> I agree. I'm all for openness and freedom, don't get me wrong. But I
> hardly see how openness and freedom that forces people into a certain position
> is either open or free. It's just another close position. If it is our
> machine then where's the fault in us doing
Digby Tarvin wrote:
>
> My personal experience has been that it us much easier and faster to get
> a workable system installed using Ubuntu, but Debian is the more versatile
> once you have spent the time getting it setup correctly.
>
That has not been my experience at all. I can get a "workable
> I am new to LINUX and somewhat dismaid/confused about the various
> distributions.
Maybe the Linux Distribution Chooser can help:
http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?firsttime=true .
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