Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
standing for those who may either not know the rules, or may actually be confused because top posting works for them and inline or bottom posting doesn't. I'm stubborn in that I am almost always standing up for the minority that others feel they should write off. snip originally used my words

Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Steve Lamb
Hal Vaughan wrote: Actually, they are not as objective as one would think. Statement with no backup, gotta love it. Putting a few sentences together in reverse order is not a comparison to top posting. Yes, it is because that is exactly what top posting does. There are many reasons

Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-12 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 23:25 -0400, Hubert Chan wrote: --snip-- I program randomly. Err. That's random as opposed to sequentially; not as in I bang random keys on my keyboard and hope for the best. ;-) /me envisions an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters sitting in

Re: [OT] Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 08:36:38PM +0100, Peter J Ross wrote: Tom Waits. On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 06:22:27PM -0500, John Carline wrote: What a crock of snobbish BS! snobbish adj : befitting or characteristic of those who inclined to social exclusiveness and who

Re: Top posting

2005-06-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 06:14:50PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday June 10 2005 8:40 am, you wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: It's preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole thread to figure out what solved some random printing problem. But, in fact, most people

Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-12 Thread David Jardine
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 11:26:47AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: /me envisions an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters sitting in a building in Redmond with an M$ logo on the front... :) Well, infinite is probably a little on the high side, but... -- David

Re: [OT] Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sunday June 12 2005 10:10 am, Hendrik Boom wrote: Unlike vi v. emacs or KDE v. Gnome, there's actually an RFC about this one. It's a dead issue. If you don't conform, people will be less liekly to reply to you. Really? an RFC? Which one, and where might I find it?

Re: Top posting

2005-06-12 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
On 10/6/2005, at 1:55, David Jardine wrote: be getting out of hand :) us a lecture on top posting sometime soon? It seems to Isn't some authoritative voice on the list going to give I gave up lecturing people about top quoting. Non Technical People, and those are the most in most

Re: Top posting

2005-06-12 Thread David P James
On Thu 9 June 2005 22:12, Paul Johnson wrote: You've been around too many Outlook Express and Outlook users, then. Those are the only two clients that encourage top posting by default and make you strain to post properly, instead of the other way around. Sadly, Novell GroupWise encourages

Re: Top posting

2005-06-12 Thread Steve Lamb
David P James wrote: On Thu 9 June 2005 22:12, Paul Johnson wrote: The only time when top-posting is equal (not superior - equal) to interspersed is under the following strict set of circumstances: Even under those circumstances it isn't because most people don't naturally do answer

Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-11 Thread Ben
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:51:51 -0400, you wrote: %On 6/10/05, John Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % Would you write programs backwards? I would hate to write a backwards % compiler to compile your backwards programs. % %Doesn't everyone write their programs backwards? Don't you _start_ at the

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-11 Thread Joe Potter
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: Joe Potter wrote: You want to see the context. You want to see the flow of the discussion --- like we did years ago before you had to cave due to all the suites who can do no better. Sorry, but I'm not too slow to remember the substance of 95% of the

Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-11 Thread Joe Potter
Ben wrote: Well, I find that most C programs nowadays are written backwards : main() on top and functions below. Having learned C from KR, that's backwards for me. But the point is : I put up with it. No whining and no expectations that everyone will want to follow my preferences.

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Wendell Cochran
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:03:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Ben Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] The point is : if you think that the posting has info that is important enough, you will make the effort to read. . . . Oh? A writer who doesn't make his writing easy to read won't be. What's more

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Chris Bannister
or not. In other words, we can get over it, or just let it by. Top posting is ok if you also trim your quotes. I've started reading posts space space ... 10mins later ... space, WTF nothing, oh bloody top poster PgUp PgUp ... 10mins later ... PgUp just to read a one line thanks, FFS. If they'd

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:51:22PM -0500, Kent West wrote: [..] two means the number just prior to five (three, Sire!); oh, yes, prior to three. too means also or overly much, as in Kent's being too picky. He's ugly, too. to is used in just about all other cases, as in Are you going to the

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Wim De Smet
that the body of the message should allways reiterate what is set in the subject. That is simply good writing form. Those really are two different use cases, but on a mailinglist it is handy if everybody has the same style of posting (top or bottom). Also, many newbies on a mailinglist

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Kent West
Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:51:22PM -0500, Kent West wrote: [..] No offense intended to anyone. This email is the property of the owner and all unauthorized uses are strictly forbidden without express written umm ... any unauthorised use is strictly forbidden ...

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Kent West
unauthorised use is strictly forbidden ... :-) Must be a full moon. It was a joke. Oh wait! Your posting was a correction of my English. How stupid of me. Sorry (hangs his head in humiliation). -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-11 Thread Olle Eriksson
On Saturday 11 June 2005 03.39, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday June 10 2005 2:45 pm, Olle Eriksson wrote: More importantly, I think it would be difficult to use bottom-posting with html mail or rtf text or whatever it is called. Only in inadequate mailers. Mutt, gnus, kmail and likely most

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Peter J Ross
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 03:44:04PM -0400, Jin Juku wrote: Answer: Because it makes conversations difficult to follow. I guess I really am a newbie, because I have no idea what this top-posting business is supposed to mean ... we're not supposed to send new, clean messages to the list

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Peter J Ross
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 10:06:11PM +0100, Graham Smith wrote: Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote: On Thursday 09 of June 2005 22:13, Mike Ward wrote: [...] Afterall, I honestly never had heard of 'top-posting' before until now, but just this gentle reminder means that at least one occasional user

[OT] Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-11 Thread Peter J Ross
Tom Waits. On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 06:22:27PM -0500, John Carline wrote: What a crock of snobbish BS! snobbish adj : befitting or characteristic of those who inclined to social exclusiveness and who rebuff the advances of people considered inferior [syn:

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-11 Thread Paul Johnson
that this doesn't apply solely to this mailing list by a long shot, everybody has other things to do than read their email on a continual basis[1]. So, post at the bottom and trim out the stuff that is not necessary to understanding your reply. Is that really so much better than top-posting? Not even you

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday June 11 2005 12:07 pm, Olle Eriksson wrote: On Saturday 11 June 2005 03.39, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday June 10 2005 2:45 pm, Olle Eriksson wrote: More importantly, I think it would be difficult to use bottom-posting with html mail or rtf text or whatever it is called

Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-11 Thread John Kelly
development. Using top down development, you never have any working code. Using bottom up development, you never solve the problem. -- A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting. Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)? A: Because it messes up the order in which people

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Jim Hall
with you that the body of the message should allways reiterate what is set in the subject. That is simply good writing form. Those really are two different use cases, but on a mailinglist it is handy if everybody has the same style of posting (top or bottom). Also, many newbies on a mailinglist

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Paul Johnson
http://ursine.ca/Top_Posting#Why_bottom-posting_also_isn.27t_the_answer On Saturday June 11 2005 5:02 pm, Jim Hall wrote: BTW, we solved the problem of accidently sending replies to individuals by using a Reply-To: in the header with the lists address. Not exactly a pure solution, but it

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Hubert Chan
(Yes, I'm top-posting here, because it seems to be the most appropriate for this type of message. I usually bottom-post/interpolate.) Jim, your message is a perfect example of why people need to trim quoted text if you bottom-post. You have included 74 lines of quoted text, and almost *none

Reply-To Munging - Please, Not Again! (was Re: Top posting)

2005-06-11 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 6/11/05, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, we solved the problem of accidently sending replies to individuals by using a Reply-To: in the header with the lists address. Not exactly a pure solution, but it works. Did you open this can o' worms on purpose, or do you just not know that

Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-11 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:51:18 -0400 John Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I do actually write my programs backwards .. from how it will look to the enduser. That's top down development vs. bottom up development. Using top down development, you never have any working code. Using

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Jim Hall
Paul Johnson wrote: http://ursine.ca/Top_Posting#Why_bottom-posting_also_isn.27t_the_answer On Saturday June 11 2005 5:02 pm, Jim Hall wrote: BTW, we solved the problem of accidently sending replies to individuals by using a Reply-To: in the header with the lists address. Not exactly a pure

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Jim Hall
Hubert Chan wrote: (Yes, I'm top-posting here, because it seems to be the most appropriate for this type of message. I usually bottom-post/interpolate.) Jim, your message is a perfect example of why people need to trim quoted text if you bottom-post. You have included 74 lines of quoted text

Re: Top posting

2005-06-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: Modern mail readers include reply-to-list as a basic part of standard functionality these days (No, OE and Lotus Notes are not modern). Neither is Thunderbird. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Alex Malinovich wrote: Bottom-posting makes reading easier for those who haven't followed an entire thread. True. But that's the point: making it easier for those who *are* following a thread ahould be the priority. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Caleb Walker
When will this off-topic thread die? Going through the list, most of what I receive is about top posting vs. bottom posting. Who cares already. It was interesting for the first 100 posts but now it is old. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Robert Vangel
Caleb Walker wrote: When will this off-topic thread die? Going through the list, most of what I receive is about top posting vs. bottom posting. Who cares already. It was interesting for the first 100 posts but now it is old. What I can't believe is that it only began 15hrs ago

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 01:51 am, Caleb Walker wrote: When will this off-topic thread die? Going through the list, most of what I receive is about top posting vs. bottom posting. Who cares already. That was my point from the beginning, but it seems some people are VERY passionate

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Basajaun
to benefit their fellow man. Bottom-posting makes reading easier for those who haven't followed an entire thread. Much in the same way that users of proprietary software are too lazy to find, support, or write a free alternative that would benefit all of mankind. [snip[ That's the most self-serving

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Graham Smith
I'm not saying I'm right and I often bottom post to not annoy people but I have to try and convince you to switch. Who died and left you to rewrite the English language? No one. I ask you the same question though? As far as I can see bottom posting has as many advantages and drawbacks

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
Is it really necessary to get so exercised about top- vs bottom-posting? On 6/10/05, Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:10:35 -0400, Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] Do you see why it's nice to have the context provided immediately? With a bottom-posted

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 6/9/05, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: I completely agree. Whoever (the attribution is not clear to me) wrote that crap about top posters vs bottom posters is an arrogant idiot. Processing information in reverse order is

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Andy Smith
to read the one line added to the 200 I've already read. And that's why trimming is also a recommended practice. The lack of trimming by posters to this list actually seems more out of hand than the top posting. Of the emails here that I skip without bothering to read, the majority are those which

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: I completely agree. Whoever (the attribution is not clear to me) wrote that crap about top posters vs bottom posters is an arrogant idiot. Processing information in

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
I agree with that point exactly. PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which poster I'm agreeing with. (I really did try to stay out of this...) phil Mark said: Paul Johnson wrote: On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: I completely agree.

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Mike Ward
such a great feature of gmail - quoted text is hidden away until you want to see it. I can't even tell the difference between bottom posting and top posting most of the time. :D

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
I'm an incurable bottom-poster; q.v. On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:20:11PM +0200, Mark wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: I completely agree. Whoever (the attribution is not clear to me) wrote

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:32:04AM -0400, Phil Dyer wrote: I agree with that point exactly. PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which poster I'm agreeing with. I think the point you agree with is both point. -- hendrik P.S. What is the difference between a

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 12:12 am, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: Alex Malinovich wrote: Bottom-posting makes reading easier for those who haven't followed an entire thread. True. But that's the point: making it easier for those who *are* following a thread ahould be the priority. No, making

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 12:56 am, Hal Vaughan wrote: Why it's such a big deal to them, I'll never know, but some people don't seem able to accept that different people do things differently. It's already been explained to you by a large number of people already. Maybe if you read for

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 8:02 am, Hendrik Boom wrote: It seems this is a problem resolvable by technology. Set the mail reader to start a message display at the bottom of the message. Does anyone know a mail reader that does this? gnus fixes broken quoting for you on reply. Make top posters

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Joe Potter
Phil Dyer wrote: I agree with that point exactly. PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which poster I'm agreeing with. (I really did try to stay out of this...) phil I get no points at all as it is not worth trying to figure out what the point was. That,

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
software. They are too lazy expend a bit of effort to benefit their fellow man. Bottom-posting makes reading easier for those who haven't followed an entire thread. Much in the same way that users of proprietary software are too lazy to find, support, or write a free alternative that would

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 10:42 am, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday June 10 2005 12:12 am, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: Alex Malinovich wrote: Bottom-posting makes reading easier for those who haven't followed an entire thread. True. But that's the point: making it easier for those who

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 10:45 am, Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday June 10 2005 12:56 am, Hal Vaughan wrote: Why it's such a big deal to them, I'll never know, but some people don't seem able to accept that different people do things differently. It's already been explained to you by a large

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 :0 * ^Subject: .*Top Posting /dev/null plonk! - -- /phil -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Public Key: http://www.dyermaker.org/gpgkey iD8DBQFCqazoGbd/rBLcaFwRApEUAKCBS0dHR+PtjqAOovs4jZKOCq8o1wCgkhpr

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread David Dorward
has options to skip past blocks of quoted content and to hide quoted content entirely (of course this requires that the responder use the standard quoting technique of interleaved/bottom posting and indenting quoted material with greater than characters). -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.ukhttp

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Paul Johnson wrote: It's preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole thread to figure out what solved some random printing problem. But, in fact, most people use web-based archives in which that's exactly how they access the messages after the original discussion.

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:40:26AM -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: It's preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole thread to figure out what solved some random printing problem. But, in fact, most people use web-based archives in which

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
. The immediate previous bit will probably remind you, and if not, the bit before that, etc. It's much more useful for that sort of discussion than bottom-posting. And I'm not speaking as a Windows-brainwashed suit -- I've been using Unix tools since 1984 and email since 1975. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:29:01PM +0200, Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote: On Thursday 09 of June 2005 23:06, Graham Smith wrote: [...] I understand the reasons why bottom posting is supposed to be better but if I am following the thread, which is normally the case if I'm actually reading

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 12:49 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:29:01PM +0200, Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote: snip I've mused in the past about having a thread-analyser that puts back all the deleted parts of the message (by following the thread back, of course) and putting

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:12:37 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've been around too many Outlook Express and Outlook users, then. Those are the only two clients that encourage top posting by default and make you strain to post properly, instead of the other way around. My

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hubert Chan
not on any lists where top-posting is the norm, but when I correspond with other people on a personal basis, where the thread has no branches, and so it's easy to keep track of the conversation, I tend to write like a regular letter -- the pen and paper kind. (Why bother keeping the context at all when

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Adam Hardy
On 10/06/05 16:02nbsp;Hendrik Boom wrote: It seems this is a problem resolvable by technology. Set the mail reader to start a message display at the bottom of the message. Does anyone know a mail reader that does this? The Mozilla folks may well be persuaded to implement this for

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Ben Chong
Here's my take: One of the *BSD newsgroups I subscribed to used to be pretty nice. Not too much traffic, helpful people. The last time I went online to ask a question (after some years of absence), and followed up on that question, some @[EMAIL PROTECTED] started whining about my top posting

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:02:28AM -0700, Ben Chong wrote: So top posting or bottom posting? It's like pornography: if u don't like it, don't read it. But please don't impose your morality on the rest of us. Except that it is not morality. It is practicality in this case. If you want

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 06:57:36PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: So, what is the difference between a duck, Hendrik? It better be good. ;) Adam One of the joys of age. You can recycle jokes from fifty years ago, and you find new people to tell them to! This one has a tradidional answer: One

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 12:30 pm, Hubert Chan wrote: snip I don't believe I was. I was just trying to give reasons for why I think that top-posting (in a mailing list context) is not a good thing to do. I haven't been keeping track of who said what in which post, so I don't know if I

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:13:05AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: People process information differently. Apparently, few find it more efficient to process it in reverse order. That being so, I'll continue to bottom post in this forum, if only to accommodate the LCD. Just out of curiosity:

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Thomas Stivers
might say, in one line, 'That does the job.' While I can perhaps understand posting a That does the job message for archival purposes. I really don't understand why anyone would send a post containing thank you, I agree, 'no, yes, Etc. to a list of thousands. These one-liners contribute nothing

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 04:01 pm, Thomas Stivers wrote: snip While I can perhaps understand posting a That does the job message for archival purposes. I really don't understand why anyone would send a post containing thank you, I agree, 'no, yes, Etc. to a list of thousands. These one-liners

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Caleb Walker
Carl Fink wrote: Just out of curiosity: you do realize that LCD is an insult, right? What is LCD? -- Caleb Walker Top Gun Drywall Supply, Inc. 559-276-5161 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 12:46:20PM -0700, Caleb Walker wrote: Carl Fink wrote: Just out of curiosity: you do realize that LCD is an insult, right? What is LCD? Least Common Denominator. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you attempt to fix

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Joe Potter
Carl Fink wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 12:46:20PM -0700, Caleb Walker wrote: Carl Fink wrote: Just out of curiosity: you do realize that LCD is an insult, right? What is LCD? Least Common Denominator. I thought it was Last Chick Drunk. --Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Ben Chong
Exactly. Ignore top post messages if they irritate you. Like this one. :-) Same approach for people (top posters) who have difficulty strolling down multiple pages to extract relevant info. The point is : if you think that the posting has info that is important enough, you will make the effort

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Joe Potter
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: Joe Potter wrote: That, of course, is the main point you made. I put all this in the lap of Bill Gates --- the miserable ass. He is never happy unless he is destroying some standard and replacing it with crap of some kind. Outlook does it this way not to

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 17:17 -0400, Joe Potter wrote: --snip-- You want to see the context. You want to see the flow of the discussion --- like we did years ago before you had to cave due to all the suites who can do no better. Gates is a cancer, and the after life will be warm in his case if

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Olle Eriksson
you need reminding, you can scroll down. The immediate previous bit will probably remind you, and if not, the bit before that, etc. It's much more useful for that sort of discussion than bottom-posting. And I'm not speaking as a Windows-brainwashed suit -- I've been using Unix tools since

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Michael Z Daryabeygi
. The immediate previous bit will probably remind you, and if not, the bit before that, etc. It's much more useful for that sort of discussion than bottom-posting. And I'm not speaking as a Windows-brainwashed suit -- I've been using Unix tools since 1984 and email since 1975. More importantly, I think

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:45:43PM +0200, Olle Eriksson wrote: More importantly, I think it would be difficult to use bottom-posting with html mail or rtf text or whatever it is called. And while plain text is better in most situations, I have to admit there are situations where formatted

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Chris Martin
is : if you think that the posting has info that is important enough, you will make the effort to read. All over? If not, you should be doing something else more productive. Why even reply to threads? Maybe we could change the subject on each post too Ben -Original Message- I like

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
that tech folks are so linear - it's only in tech forums that I encounter this insistence on bottom posting - at least where I work, tech people are among the smartest I know, and so I would expect more lateral, reverse, circular, etc., and less vertical information processing. But I also code

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 8:40 am, you wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: It's preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole thread to figure out what solved some random printing problem. But, in fact, most people use web-based archives in which that's exactly how they access the

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 6/10/05, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday June 10 2005 8:40 am, you wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: It's preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole thread to figure out what solved some random printing problem. But, in fact, most people use web-based

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread John Kelly
backwards programs. -- A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting. Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hubert Chan
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:56:04 -0400, Michael Z Daryabeygi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] No one leaves the entire thread intact as one reply follows another. So I think the argument of context is bogus. Long threads with multiple branches (like this one). You reach the end of one branch, and

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread s. keeling
Jan Leewe Behrendt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Donnerstag, 9. Juni 2005 21:18 schrieb Jacob S: On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:34:53 -0400 Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 09 June 2005 12:55 pm, David Jardine wrote: be getting out of hand :) us a lecture on top posting sometime

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
, and if not, the bit before that, etc. It's much more useful for that sort of discussion than bottom-posting. And I'm not speaking as a Windows-brainwashed suit -- I've been using Unix tools since 1984 and email since 1975. Bottom posting also isn't the answer, its just as bad as top posting for being a waste

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 2:45 pm, Olle Eriksson wrote: More importantly, I think it would be difficult to use bottom-posting with html mail or rtf text or whatever it is called. Only in inadequate mailers. Mutt, gnus, kmail and likely most other mailers get it right. If your mailer can't

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Learn to format your posts properly. Paragraphs start with an empty line and should be written in conversational order like in normal written English. See standard RFC1855. On Friday June 10 2005 2:56 pm, Michael Z Daryabeygi wrote: I think that one of my personal strengths is my ability to

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 9:49 am, Hendrik Boom wrote: But excessive trimming, so that it becomes hard to figure out what went where, is a problem. But that's not a problem, diff does it all the time... -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 9:06 am, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: My Sylpheed-claws puts the cursor at the top of replies. I think it's so I may enjoy trimming out the irrelevant before I post below the points to which I refer. Yes, that's why most mailers put the cursor at the top. You're expected to

Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 6/10/05, John Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you write programs backwards? I would hate to write a backwards compiler to compile your backwards programs. Doesn't everyone write their programs backwards? Don't you _start_ at the end? I guess it depends on what you mean by backwards,

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: However, given the that majority of people invloved in the actual *discussion* are reading it a mail or news reader, it is better to cater to that group. The fact these discussion are archived on the web is really a side effect. - The majority of people involved

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread s. keeling
Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 09 June 2005 05:26 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: So a top-poster is concerned about him or herself not doing extra work. A bottom-poster is concerned with improving the quality of reading for others. That's the most self-serving, self-centered,

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 6/10/05, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Learn to format your posts properly. Paragraphs start with an empty line and should be written in conversational order like in normal written English. See standard RFC1855. Standard, huh? It's called Netiquette _Guidelines_. And I quote:

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:09:12PM -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: However, given the that majority of people invloved in the actual *discussion* are reading it a mail or news reader, it is better to cater to that group. The fact these discussion are archived on

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Joe Potter wrote: You want to see the context. You want to see the flow of the discussion --- like we did years ago before you had to cave due to all the suites who can do no better. Sorry, but I'm not too slow to remember the substance of 95% of the conversations I have with my

Re: Programming Backwards (was Re: Top posting (a different point of view))

2005-06-10 Thread Hubert Chan
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:51:51 -0400, Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 6/10/05, John Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you write programs backwards? I would hate to write a backwards compiler to compile your backwards programs. Doesn't everyone write their programs backwards?

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