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Re: [Desktop_architects] Desktop Meeting
in Japan, Jun. 1
On 6/11/06, Chang-Won
On 6/11/06, Chang-Won Ahn (ETRI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But the important thing is that CJK don't want to be a free rider any more.
> I am sure that you should hear much more voices from asia
> back to the Open Community in the near future.
The Wine Project is happy to report that somebody i
On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 21:05 +0900, Chang-Won Ahn (ETRI) wrote:
> I don't know yet what the real reasons are for this loose-loose
> situation.
> It can be language and cultural barriers. Or it can be ture that we
> didn't
> understand so far what the "opensourcing" was exactly.
I've been trying
Hi John,
On Mon, June 12, 2006 20:33, John Cherry wrote:
> Other issues that have been discussed with OSDL member companies that
> have not risen above the clouds with the desktop architects include...
>
> - Enterprises will not deploy until an integrated mail/calendar client
> is available that
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:18:59 -0600
"Aaron J. Seigo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMHO what more people downloading Sylpheed shows that there are orders of
> magnitude more desktop windows users than desktop linux users and that
> people, regardless of OS they use, like free stuff. so if even a sm
>
> > So far we have focused heavily on the aches and pains of ISVs. Certainly
> > this is an importand issue. However from conversations that I have with
> > people out in the field I hear about issues that have not really been
> > mentioned here.
>
> can you share these with us?
Yes, I think
On Monday 12 June 2006 09:00, Mike Hearn wrote:
> On 6/12/06, Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Why don't we all go and ask them what the top inhibitors are to
> > > migrate to an open source desktop?
>
> Migrations I've seen (can't really talk about who they are of course)
> hit prob
On 6/12/06, Aaron J. Seigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why don't we all go and ask them what the top inhibitors are to
> > migrate to an open source desktop?
Migrations I've seen (can't really talk about who they are of course)
hit problems with things like:
* Wanting (in one case, needing) t
On Monday 12 June 2006 02:29, Egbert Eich wrote:
> A lot of us are either working with such enterprise customers or are
> working for companies that have consultants working for such customers.
> Why don't we all go and ask them what the top inhibitors are to
> migrate to an open source desktop?
t
There seems to be a certain scenario that I picked up from the
last face-to-face osdl meeting in Germany: These are three points
that I picked up from comments from people from the East Asian
community:
- communication style in our community seems to be offensive and
intimidating to people fro
Bryce Harrington writes:
>
> As well, I think all too often these discussions of "how to get people
> to switch to Linux" tends to focus on the basic home user case. I guess
> this is because often we're thinking about getting friends and family
> converted.
>
> Like I mentioned before,
It's here, though we don't have much contents yet. Just have an archive
of the mailing list only for now. (and in Japanese)
http://openlab.ring.gr.jp/doc-ja/
regards,
Takaaki Higuchi
Bryce Harrington wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 07:37:25PM +0900, Takaaki Higuchi wrote:
>> Hi, Bryce,
>>
>> W
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 07:37:25PM +0900, Takaaki Higuchi wrote:
> Hi, Bryce,
>
> We have doc-ja project to improve Japanese documents in open source
> projects. This project is an umbrella project to facilitate
> communications among open source projects in Japan.
>
> We have been working on tra
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Mike Hearn wrote:
>
> Indeed, that's the point I was making! Saying "we have this software,
> how can we make people use it?" is backwards. Forwards would be "we
> have this software, what can we do with it that's useful?".
Ahh, I misunderstood you.
The thing is, sometimes
On 6/11/06, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sure but this doesn't really answer the question of why bother? :)
>
> The goodness of software is in how well it serves people. Not in anything
> else. It's not some kind of masturbatory exercise for its own sake.
Indeed, that's the point
Frankly speaking, I think that we, most of asian developers, has been the "free rider" in a some sense. Though there are many localization projects, they don't seemto be substantial contributions, in return for Open Community.
I don't know yet what the real reasons are for this loose-loose situatio
Hi, Bryce,
We have doc-ja project to improve Japanese documents in open source
projects. This project is an umbrella project to facilitate
communications among open source projects in Japan.
We have been working on translation tools at first. But we'd like to
focus on human resource issues on ope
On Saturday 10 June 2006 16:23, you wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 03:01:37PM -0700, Bastian, Waldo wrote:
> > So what can be done to overcome such barrier? I'm inclined to think of
> > bi-langual liasion persons, or maybe a liason group whose mission it is
> > to facilitate the integration of pa
On Saturday 10 June 2006 17:09, you wrote:
> > So I think that some of the fundamental things we need to get right
> > today are to solve all the various large scale desktop issues that
> > plague major companies today. If we can make it significantly easier to
> > maintain vast numbers of enterpr
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Mike Hearn wrote:
>
> Sure but this doesn't really answer the question of why bother? :)
Why are you doing software, if you aren't interested in people using it?
The goodness of software is in how well it serves people. Not in anything
else. It's not some kind of masturba
> So I think that some of the fundamental things we need to get right
> today are to solve all the various large scale desktop issues that
> plague major companies today. If we can make it significantly easier to
> maintain vast numbers of enterprise desktop systems than other OS's,
> resulting in
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 03:01:37PM -0700, Bastian, Waldo wrote:
> >There are so many localized development efforts, but sometimes
> >they are not put back to the upstreams. In most of cases,
> >there are some mis or no communications because of language barrier.
>
> So what can be done to overcome
Takaaki Higuchi wrote:
>Bastian, Waldo wrote:
>> The problem with the disconnect between the asian markets and current
>> open source development communities is that in the above analysis
these
>> markets classify as a whole in the "free rider" category which makes
>> them essentially uninteresting
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 07:44:48PM +0100, Mike Hearn wrote:
> On 6/9/06, Bryce Harrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >But for general users, like mentioned above, having the apps (or their
> >equivalent) on Linux is necessary but not sufficient. Honestly, most
> >users don't care, or even fear c
On 6/9/06, Bryce Harrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But for general users, like mentioned above, having the apps (or their
> equivalent) on Linux is necessary but not sufficient. Honestly, most
> users don't care, or even fear change at the OS level. So some
> additional motivation is requir
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:41:06PM +0900, Takaaki Higuchi wrote:
> Bastian, Waldo wrote:
> > The problem with the disconnect between the asian markets and current
> > open source development communities is that in the above analysis these
> > markets classify as a whole in the "free rider" category
Bastian, Waldo wrote:
> The problem with the disconnect between the asian markets and current
> open source development communities is that in the above analysis these
> markets classify as a whole in the "free rider" category which makes
> them essentially uninteresting for the development communi
My intention to organize this meeting is that we need to make
a single point to discuss open source desktop in Japan(as you
do here now). So, this is just a starting point. We didn't have
enough time to discuss each issue in detail, so we just started
discussions on sorting out problems/issues and
>In Inkscape I frequently make the case that our customer and audience
is
>*not* the ordinary user. Unlike commercial software, where an ordinary
>user equals some dollar value, with open source that user is just a
free
>rider. Rather, value comes from the users who participate in and
>contribute
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 11:18:59AM -0600, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> IMHO what more people downloading Sylpheed shows that there are orders of
> magnitude more desktop windows users than desktop linux users and that
The metrics I've collected for Inkscape downloads bear this out,
although it's diff
On Friday 09 June 2006 07:44, SAKUMA Junichi wrote:
> Here I attach the notes from the meeting with a hope that
> this movement in Japan and DTL/DAM can start interaction.
interesting stuff, thanks for sharing it.
> - The OSS development model won't work sometimes with desktop
> app. users
On past June 1st, a BoF called Desktop Meeting took place
in Linux Conference 2006 Tokyo. About 40 community people
got together and discussed OSS desktop issues. This was
the first one of a series of gatherings of Japanese who
are interested in the linux desktop.
Here I attach the notes from the
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