Re: [DISCUSS] shrinkwrap

2014-09-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
versions we need to legally bless and re-distribute. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: So I think its neat we had a vote but was there a technical reason for it? Nope. Lets kill it. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.com

Re: Monday Sept 15th 4:00 EST cordova hangout

2014-09-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1! On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to that! On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: The agenda is currently empty. I'd suggest that if there are no agenda items within 1 hour of the start time, that it be

Re: Android: activityResultKeepRunning

2014-09-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
I consider 4 a release branch. Merge in tested green lit code to your hearts desire but 4.0 is definitely not a feature. It should be always in a releasable state. On Sep 10, 2014 1:53 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Question is, do you consider the fact that bugs are introduced

Re: Sep 2014 Board Report

2014-09-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
pretty normal. we were way faster last year. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: When was the last board report? Thats a staggering amount of activity. Is it just that the range covered is large, or is that usual? On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Shazron

Re: Sep 2014 Board Report

2014-09-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
Not to diss on anyone's efforts / our slowdown is b/c we're spending weeks, sometimes months, trying to get the Vote thing right instead of just defaulting to shipping. Ideally we fix that and get back to modern software development. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io

Re: Platform cache issue with browser

2014-09-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
would be worth us exploring using npm to manage deps (like, vanilla npm) this is precisely the issue w/ maintaining this unnecessary logic ourselves On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Suraj Pindoria suraj.pindo...@yahoo.com.invalid wrote: Hey, I am having an issue when trying to add the

Re: Andrew on Vacation

2014-09-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: me too! enjoy (guessing you're not going to burning man?) On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Kerri Shotts kerrisho...@gmail.com wrote: Enjoy! Hope you are going somewhere fun! Sent from my phone

Re: 3.6.1 Release - Rebooted thread

2014-09-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
ideally we move to using npm for all dependency resolution given that is what it does On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: So why is cordova-js in npm anyway? It's not an npm dependency from any of our packages. It's embedded in each platform package. On

Re: [Vote] 3.6.0 Cadence Release

2014-09-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
0.0.1rc1 0.0.1rc2 no? On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: Here is more specifics on what I'd suggest: - on the 3.6.x branch of all the platforms and tools in git, modify VERSION and/or package.json to bump the version to 3.6.1. Create a new 3.6.1 tag

Re: remotely loaded pages

2014-09-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
maxes out at 10mb I think. -Chuck -Original Message- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:15 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: remotely loaded pages No apologies! It definitely

Re: remotely loaded pages

2014-09-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 2:35 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: remotely loaded pages there is no appcache in webview based apps…unless we implement it as a plugin (which we won't b/c appcache is a sort of terrible spec) On Wed, Sep 3

Re: Andrew on Vacation

2014-08-22 Thread Brian LeRoux
me too! enjoy (guessing you're not going to burning man?) On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Kerri Shotts kerrisho...@gmail.com wrote: Enjoy! Hope you are going somewhere fun! Sent from my phone. ___ Kerri Shotts photoKandy Studios, LLC On the Web:

Re: remotely loaded pages

2014-08-21 Thread Brian LeRoux
is in control and loaded locally (i.e. directupdate, appmobi, spellcaster) is a valid scenario for Cordova. loading a random cordova.js directly from a non-local random place not guarantee to be supported. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Very much

Re: remotely loaded pages

2014-08-21 Thread Brian LeRoux
project. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: phonegap-connect serves up remote cordova.js (negotiates the requestor to send the right file) no deaths yet! https://github.com/phonegap/connect-phonegap/blob/master/lib/middleware/cordova/cordova.js#L29

Re: remotely loaded pages

2014-08-21 Thread Brian LeRoux
and cordova_plugin.js depending on the version of the native code that is installed on the different versions of the mobile App in production. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: totally, though connect-phonegap *could* be considered production worthy (it is being

Re: remotely loaded pages

2014-08-20 Thread Brian LeRoux
Very much so. So much so, I think we should even consider such functionality as 'core'. Could dovetail w/ Serviceworker. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: I think this is a very desired plugin that many end up re-writing, and it's far better than

Re: Cordova Plugin Registry iOS frameworks

2014-08-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
I like the idea of not supporting them until I hear a really great reason to support them. =) On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ian Clelland iclell...@chromium.org wrote: We could have some sort of preprocessing step on the current directory, that would prepare it for publishing. Maybe we

RE: cordova plugin save

2014-08-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
Totally. On Aug 18, 2014 1:34 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) panar...@microsoft.com wrote: How about storing all this information in a project's package.json ? If all Cordova CLI projects were simply NodeJS projects and Cordova was the builder, like Grunt or Gulp (Thinking about

Re: cordova plugin save

2014-08-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
We don't have to make plugins a package.json thing…we could do that latter. If we do choose to use package.json highly likely we'll need to reserve a key for our 'namespace'. Perhaps cordova. That key could have whatever we want in it (such as mapping our current config.xml properties/values).

Re: cordova plugin save

2014-08-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: We don't have to make plugins a package.json thing…we could do that latter. If we do choose to use package.json highly likely we'll need to reserve a key for our 'namespace'. Perhaps cordova. That key could have whatever

Re: New to cordova dev

2014-08-14 Thread Brian LeRoux
Welcome! On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:50 AM, VIVEK THAKUR vivek_thaku...@yahoo.com.invalid wrote: Filled ICLA already. Got a confirmation mail for the same. I have been reading more and more about contributing. Excited :) On Thursday, 14 August 2014 8:41 PM, Carlos Santana

Re: What's Stopping us From Independent Platform Releases

2014-08-14 Thread Brian LeRoux
rather than bundle app-hello-world I'd rather we *extracted* cordova-project-create from cordova-lib into its own module so thing that create cordova projects only have one way of doing it On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.com wrote: Each platform should carry

Re: WKWebView for iOS8

2014-08-13 Thread Brian LeRoux
orly On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: External urls of course work. The other alternative is to host www contents on a local webserver, and for CORs use the whitelist. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, bad news, the

Re: Cordova workflows based on build systems / task runners

2014-08-13 Thread Brian LeRoux
Topic for a PGDay talk! --yes pls submit On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: :D So cool! If I understand correct, this is a combination of: (a) using the cordova-lib node interface directly (b) iterating node_modules and inferring the set of platforms

Re: Remove VERSION file from repos

2014-08-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
main benefit was humor though an argument could be made for other ones ;) On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Myles Borins my...@famo.us wrote: Brian, would there be any benefit to using bash to call node rather than a script that started with #! /bin/env node? On Aug 12, 2014 12:01 PM, Brian

Re: Remove VERSION file from repos

2014-08-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
node? On Aug 12, 2014 12:01 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: OR BOTH #!/bin/sh node -e 'console.log(require(./package.json).version)' On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Jesse purplecabb...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, if you are going to replace bash

Re: Remove VERSION file from repos

2014-08-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
though. @purplecabbage risingj.com On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Myles Borins my...@famo.us wrote: A, I forgot to shim my path with a sense of humor... Oops! On Aug 12, 2014 12:16 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: main benefit was humor though an argument could be made

Re: This deserves it's own thread!

2014-08-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
we talked about this years ago…pretty cool stuff. basically the only use for a sync xhr call ever. On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: Very cool! Thanks for sharing. The technique used is the same that JsHybugger uses. Differences though: - This is

Re: Directory Structure - CLI directory config proposal

2014-08-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
I can see the value but have found configurable path look ups tend to be very fragile. (The more config the more variable paths create more opportunities for weird side effects.) I echo the sentiment that we need to be 100% certain this feature does not break existing (default) workflow. On Mon,

Re: Hello

2014-08-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
Welcome Jason! Lots to do and see here. Please document your journey of getting up to speed. Lots of rough edges that we can smooth out with a fresh perspective. I'm sure your colleagues have already given you a boat load of stuff to look at but our wiki [1] * is a great place to start. [1]

Re: W3C Battery Feedback request

2014-08-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
ah, sometimes you have read inbetween the lines w/ Joe's messaging he's right, it is broken, and he did state why: its a blocking API our feedback would be perhaps received better with a concrete proposal: throw out the current spec and rewrite it using DOM promises or whatever flavor of the

Re: W3C Battery Feedback request

2014-08-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
bonus: https://gist.github.com/brianleroux/cc8b4adc0f9f0b7df654 (I have no idea if this is the best way…not being a fan promises but willing to cede they have won this round.) On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: ah, sometimes you have read inbetween the lines w

Re: W3C Battery Feedback request

2014-08-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
risingj.com On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: bonus: https://gist.github.com/brianleroux/cc8b4adc0f9f0b7df654 (I have no idea if this is the best way…not being a fan promises but willing to cede they have won this round.) On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Re: W3C Battery Feedback request

2014-08-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
Plot thickens. Chrome has an experimental promises based API: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/default/battery/Overview.html This is implementable. On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: ya, idk, even those I have problems with (meaningful strings) current

Re: Cordova things

2014-08-06 Thread Brian LeRoux
thanks again David and have fun in the new gig / stop by and say hi whenever! On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Jesse purplecabb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks David, don't be a stranger. Best of luck. Cheers, Jesse @purplecabbage risingj.com On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Shazron

Re: Can I have all my hooks in one file and be event driven?

2014-08-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
yes! this and related to your earlier thread: maybe hooks themselves should just be npm modules The hook lookups could walk up node_modules and look for modules with a package.json that have a cordova key… maybe this should go to the other thread On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Carlos Santana

Re: Can I have all my hooks in one file and be event driven?

2014-08-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
. Why not just add hooks support for plugins (I commented as such on the other thread first). -Michal On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: yes! this and related to your earlier thread: maybe hooks themselves should just be npm modules The hook lookups

Re: Contributing to Cordova

2014-07-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
awesome, great to have you here Sebastian: don't hesitate to start a thread, open an issue, and dive in on improvements always lots to do around here! On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome Sebastian checkout this link

Re: Contributawesome

2014-07-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
Ah the docs. Many threads have appeared and receded into the ether about our Docs. (Searching the ML archives might be interesting but in no way required.) So even the very generation and publishing of Cordova docs could use a love. And somehow this might be related to generating/publishing docs

web manifest spec and service workers

2014-07-30 Thread Brian LeRoux
http://html5doctor.com/web-manifest-specification perhaps our days our numbered? I hope so! we have a big enough backlog for 4.x as is and these specs are still very early but worth watching for our 5.x series

come hang out on irc

2014-07-25 Thread Brian LeRoux
hey everyone, many of us hang out in IRC and it would be good to get more of us there https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/IRC%20Communication sounds like irccloud is worth using, i'm giving it a try https://www.irccloud.com

Re: What's Stopping us From Independent Platform Releases

2014-07-25 Thread Brian LeRoux
cordova-js: - cordova.version returns a value computed from the cordova-js git tag. - Let's deprecate this field - And create cordova.platformVersion - And update our release process to have the version set based on the platform's version rather than the tag within cordova-js.

Re: Proposal: remove platform versions from platfroms.js

2014-07-24 Thread Brian LeRoux
I am against this change. I am in favor of adding platforms via package.json, however. We need to version lock our dependencies in the CLI. Testing and bug resolution will be impossible otherwise. (We did this for that reason.) However, the Platforms don't need to be synchronized. Platforms can

Re: Proposal: remove platform versions from platfroms.js

2014-07-24 Thread Brian LeRoux
:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: I am against this change. I am in favor of adding platforms via package.json, however. We need to version lock our dependencies in the CLI. Testing and bug resolution will be impossible otherwise. (We did this for that reason.) However

Re: Proposal: remove platform versions from platfroms.js

2014-07-24 Thread Brian LeRoux
to agreement, but now we wont have anything to discuss Friday ;) -Michal On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: totally agree. the cli package.json can capture which versions of the platforms it needs. the platforms can release with reckless abandon

RE: Add build status to github

2014-07-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
Or we could use SauceLabs (for all) On Jul 15, 2014 9:16 AM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) panar...@microsoft.com wrote: We would need both right? For covering Windows and Linux platforms for lib to build/run. -Original Message- From: Mark Koudritsky

RE: Add build status to github

2014-07-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
https://docs.saucelabs.com/reference/status-images/ On Jul 15, 2014 9:17 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Or we could use SauceLabs (for all) On Jul 15, 2014 9:16 AM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) panar...@microsoft.com wrote: We would need both right? For covering Windows

Re: Add build status to github

2014-07-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
have been investigating to see if I could use Appium to run Medic tests. No Windows support yet though :( -Original Message- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:18 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject

Re: 4.0.x, efcedabe, Patch-Bombing and good faith

2014-07-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
1. patch bombing is never ok 2. topic branches people: its not hard 3. testing: this is why you do it +1 revert. back and forth justifications have been going on for weeks, joe's work is totally borked and blocked which is unfair. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com

Re: 4.0.x, efcedabe, Patch-Bombing and good faith

2014-07-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: 1. patch bombing is never ok 2. topic branches people: its not hard 3. testing: this is why you do it +1 revert. back and forth justifications have been going on for weeks, joe's work is totally borked and blocked which is unfair. On Tue

Re: Monthly Cordova hangouts

2014-07-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
wrote: No, I'm actually back this week. I'll be in Portland next week for OSCON, so my availability will be even more sporatic than it is now. I'll be available for the hangout tomorrow. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote

Re: Monthly Cordova hangouts

2014-07-14 Thread Brian LeRoux
anyone want to take a stab at an agenda? (no major blockers/issues for us in Vancouver/SF atm) On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:49 AM, David Kemp drk...@chromium.org wrote: The call is scheduled for tomorrow evening. On 14 Jul 2014 11:44, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) panar...@microsoft.com

Re: Pointing docs to edge

2014-07-14 Thread Brian LeRoux
think that sort of thing belongs to a preview blog post written by the person promising it will land not our canonical docs On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM, David Kemp drk...@chromium.org wrote: I would prefer to have the 'coming soon' stuff more visible. I like the idea that when looking

Re: Monthly Cordova hangouts

2014-07-14 Thread Brian LeRoux
the min/max Android and iOS versions right (Joe's questions about this) ? @Lisa, would this be too early to talk about configurable folders in the CLI? -Original Message- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014

Re: Verified Plugins Marketplace

2014-07-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
this would be a good time to talk about the federation capabilities in Plugman and the Cordova/CLI then =) time for: `cordova registry add telerik http://plugins.telerik.com/ cordova set registry telerik` (or something like that) On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Rob Lauer

Re: whitelist as a plugin

2014-07-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
to stop are users from doing dumb things like including thirdpartyadnetworkthatdoesnoteusehttps.js in their apps any time soon, but they'll have to jump through more hoops to do dumb things, and making dumb things harder is a good thing. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Brian LeRoux b

Re: whitelist as a plugin

2014-07-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
if anything changed in iOS 8 beta 3) On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Was discussing this w/ Shaz and Joe and, in theory, this is possible from iOS8 onward and possibly w/ some refactoring in the 4.x series of Android. Its also probably

Re: Famo.us cordova?

2014-07-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
Yes, we've been on the road educating them about Cordova and getting them to become contributing members of the community. As evidenced by the 'kill phonegap' rhetoric they still have a lot to learn. ;) That said, they are very ambitous about contributing back to the 'many webviews' future so

whitelist as a plugin

2014-07-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
Was discussing this w/ Shaz and Joe and, in theory, this is possible from iOS8 onward and possibly w/ some refactoring in the 4.x series of Android. Its also probably the single most problematic areas of misunderstanding as it relates to security we have. Isolating it from core would give us a

Re: HTML5DevConf Intro talk slides interview

2014-07-02 Thread Brian LeRoux
I tend to agree. Encouraging web framework diversity *helps* Cordova long run more. Imagine had we locked to jquerymobile years back? Probably wouldn't be here today. Drawback being that our audience needs to learn proper web dev which arguably is a feature not a bug. — Sent from Mailbox On

Re: Platforms 3.6.0 release timeline

2014-06-25 Thread Brian LeRoux
ideally we ship a point release every month and historically we'd be pushing to a MAJOR by the summer but this year we've slowed for my part, I'd like to start pushing faster again. on paper this should be possible. something like this would be great 3.6 june 3.7 july 3.8 aug 3.9 sept 4.0 oct

Re: Broken mailing list

2014-06-23 Thread Brian LeRoux
that might be a message for infra…guessing you didn't send that last msg On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote: ‎Can someone please fix this mailing list to stop lying about senders and poisoning address books? Thanks Sent from my BlackBerry 10

Re: File API as implemented by cordova-plugins-file

2014-06-23 Thread Brian LeRoux
ah the deadly peril of living on the edge of moving specs. to make things even more fun Mozilla just made everything promises. On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com wrote: As just an FYI - I swear 99% of the questions I get on my blog about Cordova/PG involve the File

Re: [Proposal] Cordova guidelines part of ContributorWorkflow

2014-06-17 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1 For historical context, there was a time when finding/retaining committers was more important than concern about the fickle style of JS that came into fashion that week. We would even accept a pull request if it had tabs instead of spaces! But ya lets go bananas on JSHint. Cleaning up those

Re: [Proposal] Cordova guidelines part of ContributorWorkflow

2014-06-17 Thread Brian LeRoux
No regrets. ;) On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Don't tell me you would accept patches written using emacs? On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: +1 For historical context, there was a time when finding/retaining

Re: [Proposal] Cordova guidelines part of ContributorWorkflow

2014-06-17 Thread Brian LeRoux
we could do a batch reformat using: https://github.com/rdio/jsfmt On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Mark Koudritsky kam...@google.com wrote: JSHint is awesome and I'm slowly adding the JSHint config lines to almost every file I touch in cordova-lib. But as Shazron mentioned back in April in

Re: [DISCUSS] Tools release

2014-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
cordova-lib is not end user software..or is it? On Jun 11, 2014 5:49 AM, Ian Clelland iclell...@chromium.org wrote: With the bump to cordova-lib, which, incidentally, also includes my favorite feature ever -- support for Android library projects -- I'd like to start a vote so that we can get

Re: [DISCUSS] Tools release

2014-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
system, I would be thrilled if they chose to use cordova-lib and called it directly from Node, rather than spawning shells to invoke the CLI.) On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: cordova-lib is not end user software..or is it? On Jun 11, 2014 5:49 AM, Ian

Fwd: Travel assistance for ApacheCon EU, Budapest November 17-21 2014

2014-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
Travel assistance applications open for ApacheCon EU, Budapest. If budget is a constraint this is a really great opportunity to get some miles. -- Forwarded message -- From: jan i j...@apache.org Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:37 AM Subject: Travel assistance for ApacheCon EU,

Re: Cordova strategy for Hosted Apps

2014-06-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
Well, here's what we know. Most developers use Chrome Devtools, Webkit Inspector, IE Developer Tools, and, increasingly, Firefox Devtools to build their apps. They treat Cordova less as an authoring env and more as a publishing step to test/qa. This is an important distinction to acknowledge.

Re: [Android] Battery Plugin API drains battery..What now???

2014-06-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
shelve! On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote: Hey After the battery tests, I looked at the battery plugin, and we need to shelve the battery plugin until we get a new API. Worse yet, the W3C API proposed is terrible and should never be implemented on

Re: Quarterly Apache Board Report for June 2014

2014-06-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
I see the releases as a tidy bit of revisionism but it certainly paints a better story than contrasting what we did before. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.com wrote: Shaz what you mean there are no Board issues? just kidding :-) Looks good to me. Side

Re: Tizen update

2014-06-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
Hi Gabriel, we'll be reviewing and either closing or merging PRs there this week: thx! On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Schulhof, Gabriel gabriel.schul...@intel.com wrote: Hi, all! I've signed the ICLA and I've updated the PRs for the CLI and for plugman, so now they are against

Re: wip on cordova-lib? pls let us know

2014-06-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
, such as reading config files from disk once and then modifying in-memory, but I'm not sure if we actyally have that problem. -Michal On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brian LeRoux b

Re: Cordova strategy for Hosted Apps

2014-06-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
Jesse does well answering the queries. Our ideal is to get cordova-browser somewhere production ready in the coming year. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Jesse purplecabb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jeff, 1. Currently (out of the box) you can load the start page from the network or the device

Re: minor bump to cordova-lib

2014-06-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
My understanding is that a VOTE was for ./dist and that anything npm is the domain of the person publishing. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote: Going to have to do a vote to release to npm. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Lorin Beer

Re: minor bump to cordova-lib

2014-06-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
/me slow clap On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: My understanding is that a VOTE was for ./dist and that anything npm is the domain of the person publishing. Here's the policy

Re: minor bump to cordova-lib

2014-06-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
demonstrate well how little you understand of the project. I'd recommend *actually* building Cordova *then* providing advice about how to improve it and our release process. Seriously: it would help. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: /me slow clap Brian, I realize that you

Re: minor bump to cordova-lib

2014-06-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
at length, and the a very clear conclusion was made that unless policies change, anything published to npm that is intended for users outside of the project must first land on dist/. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Blind copy paste of URLs and blanket repeat

Re: wip on cordova-lib? pls let us know

2014-06-06 Thread Brian LeRoux
(or just small modules) would isolate the changes making it easier to refactor. Anyhow: I'm tired of advocating that design pattern choice and I'm sure you're tired of hearing about it! On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Brian

Re: wip on cordova-lib? pls let us know

2014-06-06 Thread Brian LeRoux
- From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:04 PM To: dev Subject: Re: wip on cordova-lib? pls let us know On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: we're about to do some heavy refactoring on cordova

Re: wip on cordova-lib? pls let us know

2014-06-06 Thread Brian LeRoux
. Looking forward to see where we get. -Michal On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: @Michal: we're going to start extracting things to their own modules. (As discussed.) We're going to start small and simple: CordovaError, SuperSpawn, etc

publish coho to npm

2014-06-06 Thread Brian LeRoux
I don't see why not. Its pretty damn good now and would only help onboard more contributors.

Re: publish coho to npm

2014-06-06 Thread Brian LeRoux
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: I don't see why not. Its pretty damn good now and would only help onboard more contributors.

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
1. Agree w/ Michal: we need to discuss F2F. Want to quickly address some of Andrews comments. - start enforcing that Cordova projects are node projects Node is a dep already. We could look into painting over it and distributing raw binary that vendors Node but there's probably no benefit to it.

Re: ApacheCon session recording: Releasing Apache Software

2014-06-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
Pls elaborate on how we can be more efficient? We shipped 67 releases last year and, so far, 2 this year so I'm very interested in moving this back in the right direction. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Joe

wip on cordova-lib? pls let us know

2014-06-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
we're about to do some heavy refactoring on cordova-lib…it would appear many ppl are working on it atm: https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pulls I'm afraid to find out how many *aren't* open PR's …but this certainly illustrates the problem with one giant repo with all our code

Re: ngCordova

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
Looks awesome: love it. Pls let us know stuff we should be fixing/changing in Cordova to make this stuff easier! On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Max Lynch m...@drifty.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:37 AM, dev-digest-h...@cordova.apache.org wrote: -- Forwarded message

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
Using package.json and npm for dependencies is what those things are designed for. Those are the conventions of the platform we use: Node. This IS simpler, following the principle of least surprise: an expected by our developer audience. On Jun 4, 2014 8:55 AM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
that different apps need to support different platform versions, but I would suspect that the greatest majority of those would want the same version of iOS and Android in app x. On 4 June 2014 at 9:04:42, Brian LeRoux (b...@brian.io) wrote: That is the thing

Re: [DISCUSS] Plugins Release!

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
is this or 2nd or 3rd release in 2014? either way: =( On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: The Board Report is due on June 11th. I reckon all votes and release won't finish by then? On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
Oh whoops, not crazy just excited. Saying YES!! to everything Michal said in that last msg. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.com wrote: YES!! to what? Brian On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: YES!!! On Wed, Jun 4, 2014

Re: ApacheCon session recording: Releasing Apache Software

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
I think I might be soon (I accepted) though I'm not sure how it works behind the curtain. Hopefully we ramp many and more of Cordova into that part of the ASF and continue our, sometimes painful but important, attempts at reform. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Ian Clelland

Re: ApacheCon session recording: Releasing Apache Software

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
to debate on those topics: it happening elsewhere and if you think those things are important you should chime in there. (legal-discuss and infra-dev) On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: I think I might be soon (I accepted) though I'm not sure how it works behind

Re: ApacheCon session recording: Releasing Apache Software

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
Well, maybe we read the emails from Larry differently. Anyhow! I respect and appreciate the work too Marvin. Hopefully we can fix this clearly broken process and move on. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Brian LeRoux

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
at 9:04:42, Brian LeRoux (b...@brian.io) wrote: That is the thing: you do not EVER want to have disparate versions of platforms. Plugins negate this potential fantasy. You want version locked deps. You want to use package.json to do that b/c that is what the runtime we use has

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
. If not, then you need to tell it when dependencies change). My main goal for now is to get to where we can release platforms independently, but I'm curious if this is all talk or is anyone intending to do some real exploration in this area? On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Brian LeRoux b

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
/apache/cordova-plugin-inappbrowser/tree/master/src On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Terence M. Bandoian tere...@tmbsw.com wrote: Why is having different versions of platforms a recipe for disaster? -Terence On 6/4/2014 4:29 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: As discussed: having different versions

Re: Attending WWDC 2014?

2014-06-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
and Wednesday, would be interested in a cordova meet as well! -- Ken Wallis Senior Product Manager - WebWorks BlackBerry 925-931-6024 -Original Message- From: Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org dev@cordova.apache.org Date

Re: adding platforms to npm for dependency sanity

2014-06-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Eventually, yes. (Sort of how Grunt works now.) On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Terence M. Bandoian tere...@tmbsw.com wrote: Can multiple versions of a platform be installed side-by-side? -Terence

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