On Wed, 2010-10-06, Alex Fisher wrote:
> Secondly, "Libre Office"!? Come on! For a Francophone (and probably speakers
> of the other Romance languages) the name might mean something. But to an
> Anglophone, who is not "into" OSS, it conveys no meaning at all. The same
> would apply to virtually
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Danishka Navin wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Andreas Bartel
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its
>> employees is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages
>> campaigns. Is t
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Andreas Bartel wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its
> employees is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages
> campaigns. Is that what you call social responsibility and soft skills?
>
> Here is ma
Dear all,
I am really wondering what this verbal crusade against Oracle and its employees
is all about? This all reminds me too much of Middle Ages campaigns. Is that
what you call social responsibility and soft skills?
Here is maybe an appropriate quote:
"Stop telling how good you are. Be goo
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
louis.suarez-po...@oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote:
>
> > My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for
> OO.o.
> > IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously re
Hi all,
On 2010-10-07, at 09:10 , Alex Fisher wrote:
> My personal concern is that this move has sounded the death knell for OO.o.
> IMO, it is the end of any real chance we had of seriously reducing the market
> share of Microsoft Office.
Nope.
-louis
> On 10/06/2010 05:29 AM, Alex Fisher wrote:
> > Secondly, "Libre Office"!?
>
> You might not understand the meaning.
I do, both in the OSS sense *and* in the sense conveyed by the original
tongue...
> You might not know how to pronounce it.
I probably pronounce it better than you do.
I spea
On 10/06/2010 05:29 AM, Alex Fisher wrote:
> Secondly, "Libre Office"!?
You might not understand the meaning.
You might not know how to pronounce it.
But both of those are solvable issues.
Branding is a black art.
When a new brand is created, most of the money spent on naming it, goes
to tradem
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:38:44 +0200
Florian Effenberger wrote:
> The feedback we have received so far from the Community (again,
> the Community we are talking about) has been either very positive,
> and at worst, "let's see". The only ones talking about two
> communities, about splitting, about f
Hi all. Pardon the top post, but for what I have to say, it's the best way to
go.
As things stand, I cannot support this move. From where I sit there are
several things that make me extremely wary.
The first (and major) sticking point is the name of the putative foundation.
"The Document Found
Am Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:33:35 +0200
schrieb Thorsten Behrens :
> > A foundation per se is a great thing, but when there are two source
> > code repositories and two final products then "this project" is
> > either schizophrenic or it is actually two projects. And being
> > schizophrenic is not a hea
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Bartel wrote on 2010-10-05 13.02:
I am just thinking how ironic it seems, at least for me, that the
company that is paying money for the infrastructure you all use in this
very moment is being bashed in a way that makes all of us look very
pathetic.
we're using the infrastr
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Bartel wrote (05-10-10 13:02)
[...]
I am just thinking how ironic it seems, at least for me, that the
company that is paying money for the infrastructure you all use in this
very moment is being bashed in a way that makes all of us look very
pathetic.
That might possible be
Hi Simon,
Simon Brouwer wrote (05-10-10 09:33)
Drew Jensen schreef:
And just to be clear - why is it that you equate what is happening with
"going down the drain", is it only viable, your contribution if their is
a corporate affiliation?
I am not equating that, but I am concerned that a break
Am Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:05:19 +0200
schrieb Thorsten Behrens :
> > If you move your contributions somewhere else it supports your
> > position there, but not in this project anymore.
> >
> Your definition of "this project" is kinda arbitrary, and definitely
> does not match mine. For me, this proj
Hi Florian,
I'd like to join you in sharing thoughts :-) By the way, to steal
Charle's thunder, I am neither mad nor do I hate anyone. I am still
doing my job as before and I am pretty much confident that I will
continue improving the UX of OpenOffice.org in the fut
Hi,
I'd love to share some thoughts that I have already sent to the
Germanophone list:
1. We have an OpenOffice.org Community Council, elected in a long, open
and transparent process, to ensure this Council represents the Community
we are talking about in the best way possible. *EVERYONE* in
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 10:53 +0200, Bjoern michaelsen wrote:
> I have not seen any hate around here, however quite lot of personal
> disappointment.
Politics is all about personal disappointments. What is done is done so
let's look forward.
In the end he who pays the piper calls the tune. Whether
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:19:56 +0200
"Charles-H. Schulz" wrote:
> No. We're not NeoOffice, Lotus or Oracle Open Office: we are
> OpenOffice.org ...
No, you selfproclaimed are TDF/LO in the first place and OpenOffice.org
only if it suits you. If you move your contributions somewhere else it
supports
It's OK.
Never mind.
Tina
2010/10/5 Simon Brouwer
> Hi Drew,
>
> Drew Jensen schreef:
> >
> >> Just to make it clear: I am an independent volunteer community member
> >> without any affiliation with Oracle that might color my perspective.
> >> However, until now I am not convinced that the posi
Hi Drew,
Drew Jensen schreef:
>
>> Just to make it clear: I am an independent volunteer community member
>> without any affiliation with Oracle that might color my perspective.
>> However, until now I am not convinced that the position of Sun/Oracle
>> in the project has been, or was going to be,
Hi Drew,
Drew Jensen schreef:
>
>> Just to make it clear: I am an independent volunteer community member
>> without any affiliation with Oracle that might color my perspective.
>> However, until now I am not convinced that the position of Sun/Oracle
>> in the project has been, or was going to be,
Simon Brouwer wrote (05-10-10 05:03)
Just to make it clear: I am an independent volunteer community member
without any affiliation with Oracle that might color my perspective.
However, until now I am not convinced that the position of Sun/Oracle in
the project has been, or was going to be, a larg
Hi Simon,
Simon Brouwer wrote (04-10-10 23:39)
Apparently it's easy to forget that it has also continuously been
putting in much of the effort baking it, and that it had provided the
cake in the first place.
IMO the arrangement was definitely not ideal but also not particularly
unfair.
Basic
Just to make it clear: I am an independent volunteer community member
without any affiliation with Oracle that might color my perspective.
However, until now I am not convinced that the position of Sun/Oracle
in the project has been, or was going to be, a larger obstacle to the
continued succe
Just to make it clear: I am an independent volunteer community member
without any affiliation with Oracle that might color my perspective.
However, until now I am not convinced that the position of Sun/Oracle
in the project has been, or was going to be, a larger obstacle to the
continued succe
Op 5-10-2010 0:40, Drew Jensen schreef:
On 10/04/2010 05:39 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:
Apparently it's easy to forget that it has also continuously been
putting in much of the effort baking it, and that it had provided the
cake in the first place.
Please believe me when I say that it is not
On 10/04/2010 05:39 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:
Apparently it's easy to forget that it has also continuously been
putting in much of the effort baking it, and that it had provided the
cake in the first place.
Please believe me when I say that it is not nearly as easy as it may
seem from outwa
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 23:19 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> Think about this fact: People who have been working with you guys for
> 10 years or who generally have contributed their best days, their
> leisure time, their jobs, to build OOo with you, well, these people,
> the whole community, is m
Hi Drew,
Op 4-10-2010 22:29, Drew Jensen schreef:
On 10/04/2010 03:08 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:
Hi Drew,
Op 4-10-2010 20:19, Drew Jensen schreef:
On 10/04/2010 01:54 PM, Ian wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
An important point indeed is that both side kee
Bjoern,
Le 4 oct. 2010 à 20:56, Bjoern michaelsen a écrit :
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> please let me offer a personal opinion to the topic ...
>
> On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:10:34 +0200
> "Charles-H. Schulz" wrote:
>> What I wanted to clarify is that it would be unwise to prohibit
>> discussions on the
Hello Martin,
Le 4 oct. 2010 à 19:45, Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
>
> Am 04.10.2010 19:10, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
>> Andreas, Luiz,
>>
>> Let's take a step back. Obviously verbal assault does not help and
>> should not be tolerated. So let's breathe a bit and calm down.
>>
>> Andreas, wha
On 10/04/2010 03:08 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:
Hi Drew,
Op 4-10-2010 20:19, Drew Jensen schreef:
On 10/04/2010 01:54 PM, Ian wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive
dialog
open and trying to find co
Hi Drew,
Op 4-10-2010 20:19, Drew Jensen schreef:
On 10/04/2010 01:54 PM, Ian wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive
dialog
open and trying to find compromises between their different objectives.
Hi Charles,
please let me offer a personal opinion to the topic ...
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:10:34 +0200
"Charles-H. Schulz" wrote:
> What I wanted to clarify is that it would be unwise to prohibit
> discussions on the OOo lists about TDF. It would be unwise and you
> would give the most blatant i
Hi Martin,
Le 4 oct. 10 à 20:37, Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
If Oracle no longer feels that it's objectives are in alignment
with those of the community at large, and therefore no longer
willing to sponsor the OpenOffice.org Community, then I believe it
best to make that statement publicly,
Drew,
Am 04.10.2010 20:19, schrieb Drew Jensen:
On 10/04/2010 01:54 PM, Ian wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive
dialog
open and trying to find compromises between their different objectives.
W
On 10/04/2010 01:54 PM, Ian wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive dialog
open and trying to find compromises between their different objectives.
What are the different objectives of the two projects
On 04/10/2010 18:54, Ian wrote:
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Ian? Methinks your signature needs a tweak. ;-)
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On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
> An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive dialog
> open and trying to find compromises between their different objectives.
What are the different objectives of the two projects in your view
Martin?
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O
Am 04.10.2010 19:10, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
Andreas, Luiz,
Let's take a step back. Obviously verbal assault does not help and
should not be tolerated. So let's breathe a bit and calm down.
Andreas, whatever your views are on what happened, please understand
that we, the people of the Docum
What I wanted to clarify is that it would be unwise to prohibit
discussions on the OOo lists about TDF. It would be unwise and you
would give the most blatant illustration that OOo is not a true
project, and simply a product. Both of us know that's not the right way
to work this out.
nobody pro
Andreas, Luiz,
Let's take a step back. Obviously verbal assault does not help and
should not be tolerated. So let's breathe a bit and calm down.
Andreas, whatever your views are on what happened, please understand
that we, the people of the Document Foundation, are OpenOffice.org just
as much as
Hi Luiz,
I would highly appreciate a different style of communication. This
is a public list and we certainly do not want to promote verbal
assaults, who ever you have been addressing in your previous
statement.
Thanks a lot!
Andreas
Am 04.10.2
hi,
Oracle knows how to threaten people covertly, not publicly takes his
actions behind the scenes. It is a coward! Go to OOcon to talk about
motorcycle trips, while the whole world expected a strong position on
the destination of the product she bought.
Oracle purchased a product, not conscious
Dear Ian,
Am 04.10.2010 17:55, schrieb Ian:
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 12:08 -0300, luiz wrote:
Hi,
huh ? I don't understand how this logo can be considered as balanced,
The DocumentFoundation has it's own product, and this is not
Op
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 12:08 -0300, luiz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > huh ? I don't understand how this logo can be considered as balanced,
> > The DocumentFoundation has it's own product, and this is not
> > OpenOffice.org, (/me is thinking of a similar campaign for say,
> > Macs, prepared for the fu
Hi,
> huh ? I don't understand how this logo can be considered as balanced,
> The DocumentFoundation has it's own product, and this is not
> OpenOffice.org, (/me is thinking of a similar campaign for say,
> Macs, prepared for the future by the independent and consumer driven
> Bung com
office.org
Subject: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for
approval
Hi Bernhard,
Am 02.10.2010 00:55, schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
Hi all,
if I counted correctly, there have been 9 clear +1 votes and 4 mainly
positive reactions with some questions / reservation.
In my
Hi Bernhard,
Am 02.10.2010 00:55, schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
Hi all,
if I counted correctly, there have been 9 clear +1 votes and 4 mainly
positive reactions with some questions / reservation.
In my eyes this qualifies the logo to be called "official".
Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
Based on a d
lt: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for
> approval
>
> Hi Bernhard,
>
> Am 02.10.2010 00:55, schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > if I counted correctly, there have been 9 clear +1 votes and 4 mainly
> > positive reactions with some questio
Hi Bernhard, all,
Serbian Cyrillic
10 година
Serbian Latin
10 godina
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> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Bernhard Dippold
> wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> > Due to the present situation in our community with the new Document
> > Foundation creating a legal community driven entity able to protect our
> > community's rights and broadening support to people and
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Bernhard Dippold
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> if I counted correctly, there have been 9 clear +1 votes and 4 mainly
> positive reactions with some questions / reservation.
>
> In my eyes this qualifies the logo to be called "official".
>
> Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
>>
>> Ba
Alexandro Colorado schrieb:
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Italo Vignoliwrote:
Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Are you interested in a localized version of the badge? Just translate
the text and I'll add it to the localized versions of the logo I already
created:
Italiano
10° Anniversario
Espa
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>
> > Are you interested in a localized version of the badge? Just translate
> > the text and I'll add it to the localized versions of the logo I already
> > created:
>
> Italiano
>
> 10° Anniversario
>
Español
10° An
Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> Are you interested in a localized version of the badge? Just translate
> the text and I'll add it to the localized versions of the logo I already
> created:
Italiano
10° Anniversario
Thanks, Italo
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Hi all,
if I counted correctly, there have been 9 clear +1 votes and 4 mainly
positive reactions with some questions / reservation.
In my eyes this qualifies the logo to be called "official".
Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
Based on a design by Miguel Boto, a new member of the Art Project, I
create
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