plugin verification

2024-06-05 Thread Ernie Rael
Every once in a while verification starts slipping, suggestions for automatic verification renewal gain traction, then verification starts up again. Wondering if there's a causal relationship. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-uns

JavaFX maven archetypes used in NetBeans

2024-04-12 Thread Ernie Rael
Hi all, 4 years ago I created the jfx archetyes repository, https://github.com/errael/javafx-maven-archetypes-netbeans, so that jfx projects would work "out of the box" with debugging, profiling, jlink... on NetBeans. It's artifact is on maven and used from javafx/javafx2.kit/src/org/netbeans

Re: Jackpot convert log4j to System.logger

2024-02-14 Thread Ernie Rael
nts file is for the hints file itself. It is not added to the refactored sources or anything like that. Imports are added automatically when the hint is applied if new imports are needed, there is no way to control this mechanism. -mbien On 15.02.24 07:09, Ernie Rael wrote: Using the f

Jackpot convert log4j to System.logger

2024-02-14 Thread Ernie Rael
Using the follow does most of the conversion work, requires some manual fixup for certain log4j arguments. But *import static java.lang.System.Logger.Level.*;* doesn't get added. Any suggestions for a way to add that as part of the refactoring? -ernie     org.apache.logging.log4j.Log

Re: NB 21-RC2 doesn't have Gradle-8.5

2024-02-05 Thread Ernie Rael
On 24/02/05 9:03 AM, Ernie Rael wrote: On 24/02/05 7:02 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: Hi, On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 at 23:33, Ernie Rael wrote: If there's going to be an RC-3, I'll wait for that. (was it skipped last week?) If possible could you test the dev build at DONE This PR build i

Re: NB 21-RC2 doesn't have Gradle-8.5

2024-02-05 Thread Ernie Rael
On 24/02/05 7:02 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: Hi, On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 at 23:33, Ernie Rael wrote: If there's going to be an RC-3, I'll wait for that. (was it skipped last week?) If possible could you test the dev build at DONE This PR build is prior to merging that to see if the fal

Re: NB 21-RC2 doesn't have Gradle-8.5

2024-02-04 Thread Ernie Rael
On 24/02/04 3:20 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2024, 22:12 Ernie Rael, wrote: On 24/02/04 7:11 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 20:21, Ernie Rael wrote: With NB-21-RC2, running on JDK-21, doing: NewProject > JavaWithGradle > JavaClassLibrary And there is the &q

Re: NB 21-RC2 doesn't have Gradle-8.5

2024-02-04 Thread Ernie Rael
On 24/02/04 7:11 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 20:21, Ernie Rael wrote: With NB-21-RC2, running on JDK-21, doing: NewProject > JavaWithGradle > JavaClassLibrary And there is the "resolve problems" icon. $ ./gradlew --version Gradle 8.4 I presume you're

NB 21-RC2 doesn't have Gradle-8.5

2024-01-25 Thread Ernie Rael
With NB-21-RC2, running on JDK-21, doing: NewProject > JavaWithGradle > JavaClassLibrary And there is the "resolve problems" icon. $ ./gradlew --version Gradle 8.4 I thought this would be Gradle-8.5, especially since there was talk with NB-20 of waiting for Gradle-8.5. Unlike with NB-20, with

Re: Windows 11 Issues - Copy/Paste Failure

2023-08-29 Thread Ernie Rael
I too used windows for several years (linux now, it's wonderful and no more cygwin), I don't recall having seen this issue. But I use jVi which has it's own cut/paste handling that behaves like vim's (there's even a flavor so blockmode copy/paste works between vim/jVi). Otherwise clipboard inte

Re: Plugin Verifikation Plugins Portal (changing rules)

2023-08-13 Thread Ernie Rael
> The requirement to sign the plugins is questionable in itself Especially considering that it's in maven central. -ernie On 23/08/13 1:10 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote: Hi again, I just noticed, that the LDIF Editor and LDAP Explorer plugins were rejected for the plugin portal for 19. Reasonin

Re: Maven indexing on NB 18

2023-06-12 Thread Ernie Rael
Using a newish large memory, multi-core laptop. The fan made itself known. Indexing took ~15 minutes. Over a weeks worth of logs, only one indexing of central. There's a little "2nd thought" bouncing that seems to go on immediately after the indexing. An aside While taking a look at this I ra

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Managing archetype for javaEE in house

2023-05-22 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/05/22 2:29 AM, Eric Barboni wrote: This is to propose the creation of new repository to manage javaEE archetype that we use in Apache NetBeans on Apache NetBeans infrastructure. We already have some archetype for platform and app creation https://github.com/apache/netbeans-mavenutils-arche

Re: Maven Project Archetypes used by NetBeans

2023-05-18 Thread Ernie Rael
Hi Eric and all, In javafx/javafx2.kit/src/org/netbeans/modules/javafx2/kit/JavaFXWizardIterator.java there's  references like return definedFXArchetype("com.raelity.jfx", "javafx-archetype-fxml-netbeans",   "0.0.4", Bundle.LBL_Maven_FXML_Archetype()); The m

Re: [NetBeans PluginPortal] Check your plugin with the new Apache NetBeans 18!

2023-04-21 Thread Ernie Rael
Just got this, good to be reminded. (and it's not even for an RC) Couple problems The link has a double '//' which breaks it with firefox. On the plugin "version management" page "NB 18" is listed, but there is no "Request verification" button for that release. -ernie On 23/04/21 1:41 PM, Ne

Re: Lets talk about JDK 8 (new year edition)

2023-02-13 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/02/05 11:31 AM, Michael Bien wrote: NB 16/17 ships nb-javac which is based on JDK 19. Which means the minimum bytecode level is 7 already. Once nb-javac updates to 20 that number would be 8. (JDK 14 dropped support for 6, 20 dropped support for 7, The link Neil gave https://www.orac

Re: Compatibility with JDK 8: Shift work to people wanting it (was: Re: Lets talk about JDK 8 (new year edition))

2023-02-13 Thread Ernie Rael
(Apologies if you see this twice. First sent this 3 hours ago. It was not delivered to me; anyone?) As Neil says The question is whether it is worth it? And Scott An informed decision needs to be based on these details.  Holding back for JDK 8 compatibility helps no one if there isn't actuall

Re: Compatibility with JDK 8: Shift work to people wanting it (was: Re: Lets talk about JDK 8 (new year edition))

2023-02-13 Thread Ernie Rael
As Neil says The question is whether it is worth it? And Scott An informed decision needs to be based on these details. Holding back for JDK 8 compatibility helps no one if there isn't actually any real demand to do so. AFAICT, there's no stats on JDK version and NBP projects. Maybe the close

Extract Interface...

2023-02-12 Thread Ernie Rael
I'm starting to work with some unfamiliar code. For example I've got class DerivedTableModel extends AbstractTableModel class DerivedJTable extends JTable I want a list of all methods in DerivedTableModel that are not in AbstractTableModel. I tried "Refactor > ExtractInterface" but the li

Re: Rust, anyone?

2023-02-11 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/02/11 5:26 PM, Arafat BOUCHAFRA wrote: Hi, I'm here to help, just create a GitHub repository, and a discord server channel, and share them with me In a later message: https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans-cnd/tree/rust Regards Le sam. 11 févr. 2023 à 15:54, Antonio a écrit : Hi all

Re: NetBeans is a framework was: Lets talk about JDK 8 (new year edition)

2023-02-09 Thread Ernie Rael
It's too bad there are no NetBeans specific statistics, both IDE and platform. It sure would be nice if there were some reference to stats on jdk version usage in these  deliberations. What I've seen in reports, the most recent I've found from mid 2022, even though Java 11 had been available

Re: PRs and squashing

2023-02-07 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/02/07 3:29 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 17:28, Ernie Rael wrote: Here's my understanding: squashing and force pushing to a PR branch, in particular one that I opened, does not run into issues. Yes, you're all good. Note that by default, every committer

Re: Lets talk about JDK 8 (new year edition)

2023-02-06 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/02/05 7:52 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 at 11:03, Neil C Smith wrote: Yes, the sooner we can update what was agreed for NB13, the better. But that requires notice (so not NB17, and possibly not NB18), a new lazy consensus proposal, and no vetoes! Let's talk some more about

Re: Issue management issues (meta-issues?!)

2023-02-06 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/02/06 12:34 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 at 00:51, Michael Bien wrote: yeah it seems like nobody is using the triage label the way it was originally intended. We could probably just remove that label (or don't let gh set it by default at the very least). If something is mis

PRs and squashing

2023-02-06 Thread Ernie Rael
Looking for clarification on some issues that arose in a side discussion in a PR.It comes down to this statement: So if I get this right, a pattern is to push several commits to a PR, then after approval, can squash locally (using mercurial in my case) and force push to the PR. There w

Re: building netbeans w/ different compiler

2023-02-04 Thread Ernie Rael
About using build.properties and nbjdk.home There's a thread from last year, https://lists.apache.org/thread/4qvk880rkn4norzk7t9tt92ppmnf48kp, where it was not sufficient to set nbjdk.home, JAVA_HOME also had to be set. I was using nbbuild/user.build.properties, not ~/.nbbuild.properties; do

Re: Jackpot

2023-01-26 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/01/26 10:25 AM, Scott Palmer wrote: Well, yeah of course.. but is there a documented public API? The maven plugin doesn't actually do refactoring, right? It just identifies hints? At: https://netbeans.apache.org/jackpot/ To apply the changes produced by the declarative hints, run jackp

Re: Jackpot

2023-01-26 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/01/26 7:01 AM, Scott Palmer wrote: I wanted to experiment with Jackpot for a project I'm working on. How dependent on the NetBeans Platform is the Jackpot code at https://github.com/apache/netbeans-jackpot30 ? Is there such a thing as a jackpot library jar that does not depend on NetBeans

Re: verification of plugin with update center

2023-01-22 Thread Ernie Rael
ll handle/respond. -ernie On 23/01/20 9:28 AM, Ernie Rael wrote: Just received: Plugin: jVi Update Center JDK-11 NetBeans version: 17 Verification status: NOGO Comments: On uninstall of the downloaded plugin (nbupdatecenter-jdk11-1.0.nbm), update center is not removed. "update cente

verification of plugin with update center

2023-01-20 Thread Ernie Rael
Just received: Plugin: jVi Update Center JDK-11 NetBeans version: 17 Verification status: NOGO Comments: On uninstall of the downloaded plugin (nbupdatecenter-jdk11-1.0.nbm), update center is not removed. "update center not removed" has been a problem for over 10 years. My understanding has be

Re: About: Apache NetBeans 17 feature freeze

2023-01-18 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/01/18 11:18 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2023, 18:42 Ernie Rael, wrote: Changed it to just a comment. I'm not sure how many people really use the affected code without the window system. And I commented, quoted warning from Frame.getFrames() javadoc. If rebased on del

Re: About: Apache NetBeans 17 feature freeze

2023-01-18 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/01/18 9:59 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: Looking at https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/5280 it had approval from one of the four people requested to review. This is somewhat of a grey area to me. I often see PRs merged where some reviewers don't weigh in. In any event, the PR should have b

Re: About: Apache NetBeans 17 feature freeze

2023-01-18 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/01/18 8:40 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: Any particular PR in mind? Is it a candidate for RC2? https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/5280 It hardly seems a candidate. Been around, easy workaround... -ernie - To unsubscri

Re: About: Apache NetBeans 17 feature freeze

2023-01-18 Thread Ernie Rael
you need to bug people. That's what I meant by politics the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve [merge] -ernie On 23/01/18 8:40 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 18 Ja

Re: About: Apache NetBeans 17 feature freeze

2023-01-18 Thread Ernie Rael
napproved pull requests..." And I'm usually so literal... The universe conspires so I'll run a custom version of NB. -ernie milestones are just a way to roughly organize PRs around deadlines. -mbien On 18.01.23 16:47, Ernie Rael wrote: I would have thought that any approved PR wi

About: Apache NetBeans 17 feature freeze

2023-01-18 Thread Ernie Rael
I would have thought that any approved PR with NB-17 milestone gets merged. Guess not. I didn't realize there was more politics after that. -ernie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional c

Re: nb16 source verification

2023-01-11 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/01/11 2:05 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: Unless we've ended up in mid-2025 without me noticing, could you try importing a recent KEYS file and check again? Was getting expired, imported KEYS, got rid of expired. -ernie - To

Re: nb16 source verification

2023-01-11 Thread Ernie Rael
just today (signed on 21. Nov 2022) Maybe the release should be signed next time by a key which is at least 6 months before expiration or something like that, so it survives to the next release. -S. On 11. 01. 23 3:37, Ernie Rael wrote: Just downloaded source from https://netbeans.apa

nb16 source verification

2023-01-10 Thread Ernie Rael
Just downloaded source from https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb16/ I'm getting verification failures with both sha and gpg. I have to figure it out every time, could be cockpit error; but this seems like a real failure. -ernie

Re: Lets talk about JDK 8 (new year edition)

2023-01-10 Thread Ernie Rael
On 23/01/10 6:16 AM, Michael Bien wrote: Given that NB doesn't really support running on JDK 11 since a while I would simply opt for 2) and merge. Typo? JDK-11 --> JDK-8 -ernie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...

updating to 16-u1

2023-01-08 Thread Ernie Rael
Just updated to the final bits; and wondering about a /backwards seeming dependency/. I started with the first check release of 16-u1, so this normally wouldn't be seen. Using plugin manager, uninstall everything with "gradle".  Still had org.netbeans.modules.gradle/2 [2.29.1 Netbeans/ne

Re: bits.netbeans.org doc search problem

2023-01-05 Thread Ernie Rael
Under javadoc for ActionRegistration annotation, in the verbose doc for lazy, the Presenter.* links work. -ernie On 23/01/05 2:29 PM, Ernie Rael wrote: Came across another unexpected "Oracle Transition". 1. Goto PopupAction 2. Click on something under "Nested Class Summar

Re: bits.netbeans.org doc search problem

2023-01-05 Thread Ernie Rael
Came across another unexpected "Oracle Transition". 1. Goto PopupAction 2. Click on something under "Nested Class Summary". Can't find Presenter either. Not sure how widespread this nested class issue is. -ernie On 23/01/04 5:25 PM, Ernie Rael wrote: Clicki

Re: bits.netbeans.org doc search problem

2023-01-04 Thread Ernie Rael
etbeans/nbbuild/JavadocIndex.java#L115 A typical interface line looks like: ErrorManager.Annotation I try to edit the regexp but I did not succed to swallow the span element. Start thinking using jsoup to do the job 😝 (but that's because I'm not goot at regexp) Regards Eric -Mes

Re: JUnit 5 Generated Tests Warning/Error

2022-12-31 Thread Ernie Rael
I ran into this, and didn't find a simple solution. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lto47nxlhj2r6fbk16l93qs3vy9g2rtg https://lists.apache.org/thread/tk263h5xco04kwpcfrt55p0lnlmokb0m I think you need to hookup a new test runner. I didn't pursue it because ant is a dead end. My solution,

"Navigate > GoToDeclaration" fails if target is in gradle project

2022-12-18 Thread Ernie Rael
I've just opened this issue https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/5120 It has lots of info gathered at the point of failure. But I suspect the problem comes from things done at project open. I could compare some things between maven project open and gradle project open if that makes s

Re: [External] : RE: [DISCUSSION] Gradle Patch Release for NetBeans 16

2022-12-15 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/12/15 9:34 AM, László Kishalmi wrote: Thanks for your understanding! Went ahead and merged the delivery to the release160 branch. The update can be tested by adding the following update center URL: https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/release160/14/a

Re: [DISCUSSION] Gradle Patch Release for NetBeans 16

2022-11-27 Thread Ernie Rael
I'm salivating at the thought of running NetBeans on a recent jdk and work on old gradle version projects. For testing, is it possible and simple to have a nb16u1 update center, which I can manually add locally? -ernie On 22/11/27 3:25 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: Dear all, This is a kind of

Re: [PLUGINS][RELEASES] Preparation for NetBeans 16 plugins

2022-11-20 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/11/20 2:30 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 10:04, Neil C Smith wrote: I totally agree with the points raised there. We haven't had a vaguely useful plugin catalog since NetBeans 13. The plugin catalog for 16 is currently empty, so we're missing possibilities for testing.

Re: Sending NB16 notice to plugin authors (was: Re: [PLUGINS][RELEASES] Preparation for NetBeans 16 plugins)

2022-11-16 Thread Ernie Rael
especially if it was long ago). Of course there has to be something to vote on, not to mention the manpower that puts the voting candidate together. -ernie On 22/11/16 9:26 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 at 16:35, Ernie Rael wrote: Is there an obstacle/problem preventing NB13'

Re: Sending NB16 notice to plugin authors (was: Re: [PLUGINS][RELEASES] Preparation for NetBeans 16 plugins)

2022-11-16 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/11/16 2:48 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 at 01:25, Ernie Rael wrote: Guess automatic re-verification for existing plugins didn't make it for NB-16. Guess not! :-\ Although as there's only 3 plugins verified in NB15 still, that might not have led to m

Re: Sending NB16 notice to plugin authors (was: Re: [PLUGINS][RELEASES] Preparation for NetBeans 16 plugins)

2022-11-15 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/11/15 4:56 PM, Junichi Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I haven't received it yet... I haven't seen it either. Did go to the portal and saw NB-16, so I requested verification. Guess automatic re-verification for existing plugins didn't make it for NB-16. -ernie PS. apologies if anyone sees this

Re: Sending NB16 notice to plugin authors (was: Re: [PLUGINS][RELEASES] Preparation for NetBeans 16 plugins)

2022-11-15 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/11/15 4:56 PM, Junichi Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I haven't received it yet... I haven't seen it either. Did go to the portal and saw NB-16, so I requested verification. Guess automatic re-verification for existing plugins didn't make it for NB-16. -ernie I've also checked a spam folder

Re: NB RC-3 Gradle Issues

2022-11-05 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/11/05 9:09 PM, Scott Palmer wrote: Somewhat related to the issue described already… My project wants to use JDK 19 features. Gradle 7.5.1 wants to run on something older, e.g. JDK 17. I had a similar issue, the IDE used the wrong source version. The problem was fixed, in my case, by exp

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-29 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/29 1:48 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Sat, 29 Oct 2022 at 00:28, Ernie Rael wrote: I left a comment in the code where I ran into the problem; it references https://github.com/apache/felix/pull/114 which led me to believe it was a JDK incompatibility; could just be that issue&#

dialogs with null parents and other misplaced dialogs

2022-10-29 Thread Ernie Rael
In NB-16-rc, there's a PR: "Dialog parent should not be null" https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4739 Any test/feedback of changed dialogs' behavior, and observations for dialogs that are misplaced, appreciated. Before this change, these dialogs would show up in the center of Java's def

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-28 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/28 3:52 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 29.10.22 00:27, Ernie Rael wrote: On 22/10/28 3:08 PM, Michael Bien wrote:  Search for "ByteBuffer NoSuchMethodError" for a taste. Looks familiar, think I ran into that. Wasn't that considered a bug in the JDK release? no,

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-28 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/28 3:08 PM, Michael Bien wrote: and I wish I could count on the fact that there's been no bug report; but that's another story. Given that sigtest failed, I'm surprised that there's so much surprise that there's an issue. nobody is surprised. If you would have read the PR you w

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-28 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/28 3:08 PM, Michael Bien wrote:  Search for "ByteBuffer NoSuchMethodError" for a taste. Looks familiar, think I ran into that. Wasn't that considered a bug in the JDK release? -ernie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-28 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/28 9:47 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 17:14, Ernie Rael wrote: So does the workaround I suggested work for you? Seems to. I'm checking out the 16 build on 15 now that I can run it. -ernie Best wishes,

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-28 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/28 2:27 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 at 21:35, Matthias Bläsing wrote: Am Donnerstag, dem 27.10.2022 um 20:51 +0100 schrieb Neil C Smith: I'm not sure that's correct from the JVM perspective. The Object method should still be generated as a bridge? It should be backw

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/27 4:26 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 27.10.22 22:51, Ernie Rael wrote: I'm still confused. I always thought generics were syntactic sugar, nah they do influence method signatures, add bridge methods you never wrote etc. Its more than just compile time checks. Matthias showe

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/27 12:52 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 27.10.22 21:46, Ernie Rael wrote: On 22/10/27 12:33 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 27.10.22 21:14, Matthias Bläsing wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag, dem 27.10.2022 um 20:32 +0200 schrieb Michael Bien: On 27.10.22 20:17, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/27 12:51 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 at 20:14, Matthias Bläsing wrote: Am Donnerstag, dem 27.10.2022 um 20:32 +0200 schrieb Michael Bien: I am still a bit surprised that this causes issues. Since the class is final which removes an entire can of worms of potential over

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/27 12:33 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 27.10.22 21:14, Matthias Bläsing wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag, dem 27.10.2022 um 20:32 +0200 schrieb Michael Bien: On 27.10.22 20:17, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2022, 19:03 Ernie Rael, wrote: This is very strange. If I build the plugin on

Re: plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/27 11:17 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2022, 19:03 Ernie Rael, wrote: This is very strange. If I build the plugin on 15 it runs on 15. If I build it with 16-RC2 it will not install on 15. I noticed this a few days ago, but wanted to wait for RC2 before mentioning it. I&#x

plugin built with 16-RC2 won't install on 15

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
This is very strange. If I build the plugin on 15 it runs on 15. If I build it with 16-RC2 it will not install on 15. I noticed this a few days ago, but wanted to wait for RC2 before mentioning it. I'll try to narrow it down, wondering if anyone has some ideas about this. -ernie SEVERE [org.n

Re: Wondering where the reference to 8.2 is coming from

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
thing to pursue. The situation arises when using an old userdir (which has a variety of update centers). In this case, if I disable the NB8 update center, I still see an "update available", but the 8.2... is gone. -ernie -mbien On 27.10.22 18:42, Ernie Rael wrote: In help

Wondering where the reference to 8.2 is coming from

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
In help > about, I see Product Version: Apache NetBeans IDE 16-rc2 Updates: Updates available to version NetBeans 8.2 Patch 2 Java: 11.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 11.0.2+9 Is the reference to NB-8.2 something weird about my userdir? Or ...? -ernie

Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

2022-10-27 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/27 2:59 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 21:12, Ernie Rael wrote: NetBeans found refuge in the powerful walled city state of Apache; where residents are only allowed commerce with those within its walls or with some who it explicitly approves. Your text amused me, At

Re: Java Help student project started

2022-10-26 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/17 12:54 AM, Oliver Rettig wrote: Hi all, since years we miss a modern (on- and offline) help-viewer for your netbeans platform applications. Now, we have just started a student project at the Cooperative State University Karlsruhe (Germany) to fill this gap. It will run the next six mo

Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

2022-10-26 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/24 9:42 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: OTOH, I don't think this is all suited to technical discussion on individual code changes either, as there are also questions of broad direction of travel raised here that need to be reconciled. In the before time, in the Kingdom of Java, NetBeans was in

Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

2022-10-24 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/24 9:42 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 17:02, Michael Bien wrote: On 24.10.22 17:27, Ernie Rael wrote: The link to apache's guidelines for voting was clarifying for me. I'd like to see a more technical discussion. for me too, I withdrew the -1 vote th

Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

2022-10-24 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/24 8:58 AM, Michael Bien wrote: On 24.10.22 17:27, Ernie Rael wrote: The link to apache's guidelines for voting was clarifying for me. I'd like to see a more technical discussion. for me too, I withdrew the -1 vote the moment I realized that this could qualify as veto

Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

2022-10-24 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/24 4:50 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 12:31, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:25 PM Neil C Smith wrote: Multiple people have expressed massive reservations on this already. Michael expressed a -0.99 already. Given code changes are really +1 or -1 a

Re: [PLUGINS][RELEASES] Preparation for NetBeans 16 plugins

2022-10-22 Thread Ernie Rael
On 22/10/22 5:09 AM, Michael Bien wrote: On 21.10.22 14:24, Neil C Smith wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 12:43, Michael Bien wrote: well, this was my first suggestion but it met resistance :) I know.  I agree with you.  My issue with the resistance, and some points are definitely valid, is that

Getting in approved pull requests

2022-10-09 Thread Ernie Rael
There are two PRs that have been approved. I'd like to use them from a plugin if/when they are merged. Keyboard focus can activate top component https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4603 and After file external change fire reloaded event https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4

Re: [DISCUSS] Shall NetBeans improve Java/JDK? Without Frgaal this time...

2022-10-09 Thread Ernie Rael
Let me confess that I'm not sure what is proposed, in my simplistic view it's letting NB users have target less than source. I don't entirely understand all the stuff this msg is addressing. But considering these points - How useful is frgaal for NB/java user community? Makes NB more attracti

Where to put findDialogParent? a static method

2022-10-08 Thread Ernie Rael
For the following (important in a multi screen setup, should read "don't use null") Dialog parent main window instead of null https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4739 I want to move a method, private FileChooserBuilder.findDialogParent(), to a public spot. My first thought was Dialog

Re: [DISCUSS] Shall NetBeans improve Java/JDK? With Frgaal?

2022-10-07 Thread Ernie Rael
On 10/7/22 3:41 PM, Ernie Rael wrote: BTW, for command line use, I have an alias, use it like javac frgaal is aliased to `mvn-repo/org/frgaal/compiler/19.0.0/compiler-19.0.0.jar' Uhh, that would be aliased to `java -jar mvn-repo/org/frgaal/compiler/19.0.0/compiler-19.0.

Re: [DISCUSS] Shall NetBeans improve Java/JDK? With Frgaal?

2022-10-07 Thread Ernie Rael
This is about "target < source"; talk about changing the JDK version obfuscates the point. Changing JDK version is not available to many (most?) (just guessing). The only technical points against (that have registered with me, and not saying that I fully agree with them, and there may be more)

Where to put findDialogParent? a static method

2022-10-07 Thread Ernie Rael
For the following (important in a multi screen setup, should read "don't use null")    Dialog parent main window instead of null https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4739 I want to move a method, private FileChooserBuilder.findDialogParent(), to a public spot. My first thought was DialogDis

Re: [DISCUSS] Shall NetBeans improve Java/JDK? With Frgaal?

2022-10-06 Thread Ernie Rael
On 10/6/22 8:16 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 06.10.22 19:55, Ernie Rael wrote: On 10/6/22 10:41 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 at 18:02, Ernie Rael wrote: Is the claim that using older JDK for runtime rarely happens? I don't have any data, but...; NetBeans is a case in point

Re: [DISCUSS] Shall NetBeans improve Java/JDK? With Frgaal?

2022-10-06 Thread Ernie Rael
Thought I'd mention... I was just testing some stuff in a standalone/plugin project (so has to be binary 11) for an in progress NB PR. Made a change in a file I haven't been in for a while, saw several hint flags, in this case for both instanceof and switch pattern matching, made the changes;

Re: [DISCUSS] Shall NetBeans improve Java/JDK? With Frgaal?

2022-10-06 Thread Ernie Rael
On 10/6/22 10:41 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 at 18:02, Ernie Rael wrote: Is the claim that using older JDK for runtime rarely happens? I don't have any data, but...; NetBeans is a case in point, and I know of others; it can be a corporate (ie irrational:-) ) decision.

Re: [DISCUSS] Shall NetBeans improve Java/JDK? With Frgaal?

2022-10-06 Thread Ernie Rael
-1 to DISCUSSION? Wow. That's pretty draconian. Could we agree on "what are the issues?" It feels like FUD right now. > if you are sure you never want to leave the hole you dug What does that mean? If the java "promise" is true. Then at any time you can use a released JDK >= SourceLevel. >

Re: project group of all NetBeans modules for refactoring

2022-10-06 Thread Ernie Rael
group which means it wasn't too much out of date yet :) -mbien On 05.10.22 04:41, Ernie Rael wrote: Inspired by @mbien to setup for doing some jackpot (declarative refactoring) across all of NetBeans, I used two scripts to set up a project group with all the projects. Here they are in

project group of all NetBeans modules for refactoring

2022-10-04 Thread Ernie Rael
Inspired by @mbien to setup for doing some jackpot (declarative refactoring) across all of NetBeans, I used two scripts to set up a project group with all the projects. Here they are in case someone might find them useful. They don't find gradle or maven projects (AFAIK). Run them like the foll

Re: Dialogs with no parents

2022-10-01 Thread Ernie Rael
On 10/1/22 2:12 PM, Michael Bien wrote: Hi Ernie, On 01.10.22 21:07, Ernie Rael wrote: As a an experiment, there's the hint seen below. Is there a way to run it on all projects, not just the open projects? I don't think there is. When I ran repo wide refactorings (e.g #3844) I

Dialogs with no parents

2022-10-01 Thread Ernie Rael
There are dialogs scattered around NetBeans that do not specify a parent. So when they come up they are on the "default screen", which for me is typically not the screen with the NetBeans main window. More that once I've wondered why NB is hung (maybe I'm a little too focused). There's PR "Chec

Re: [DISCUSS] Supporting ecj in NetBeans

2022-09-30 Thread Ernie Rael
> automatically backported nb-javac I wouldn't say automatically makes it "technically the same"; I don't know much about the mechanisms that do javac --> nbjavac, maybe it's not that bad. If frgaal was automatically generated from javac, would that make them the same and alleviate concerns ab

bits.netbeans.org doc search problem

2022-09-24 Thread Ernie Rael
I wanted to take a look at ContextAwareAction. But entering this in the search box has no results. Found it in the source, searched for imageutil from the same package, clicked AllClasses, found it there. I think this has been an issue for a long time. Might have to do with "Interface". erni

Re: netbeans module coding questions

2022-09-24 Thread Ernie Rael
There are some excellent answers, perhaps you are blocked on your side. You can view the thread at: https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@netbeans.apache.org:2022-9 -ernie On 9/24/22 8:11 AM, Peter Cheung wrote: am i being blocked? whatever i ask, no one willing to answer 🙁 Thanks From Peter

Re: Gradle: how to get IDE pickup source from open project

2022-09-23 Thread Ernie Rael
deps(task, 'jvi', jvi_proj, ':clean') } tasks.register('build') { task ->     deps(task, 'jvi', jvi_proj, ':build') } tasks.register('run') {     dependsOn gradle.includedBuild('jvi').task(':jvi-cmd:run') } On Fri, S

Re: Gradle: how to get IDE pickup source from open project

2022-09-23 Thread Ernie Rael
--debug-jvm The first doesn't get an error, but hangs just the same. The second doesn't find check in jvi. I thought about running the debugger from the 'buildInclude' project directly, but I suspect in a more general case the dependencies would be wrong. -ernie On 9/22/

Re: Gradle: how to get IDE pickup source from open project

2022-09-22 Thread Ernie Rael
On 9/22/22 9:15 AM, László Kishalmi wrote: You may find reading this one useful: https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/composite_builds.html Thanks, this looks promising. I started, only for one project, with settings.gradle rootProject.name = 'jvi-ide' includeBuild '/src/jvi-dev/j

Re: Using the same userdir from previous release

2022-09-16 Thread Ernie Rael
On 9/16/22 9:09 AM, Michael Bien wrote: On 16.09.22 17:19, Ernie Rael wrote: On 9/15/22 10:44 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 16.09.22 07:31, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: I started to reply on this, but not sure if I really pressed the send button, and I do not see my reply. So I'm sorry i

Re: Using the same userdir from previous release

2022-09-16 Thread Ernie Rael
dn't have to copy them manually. So you can influence what is migrated simply by editing this file before first launch :) -mbien On 9/15/22 10:34, Ernie Rael wrote: On 9/14/22 5:55 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 10.09.22 01:53, Ernie Rael wrote: With release 15 I did something like   

Re: Using the same userdir from previous release

2022-09-15 Thread Ernie Rael
On 9/14/22 5:55 PM, Michael Bien wrote: On 10.09.22 01:53, Ernie Rael wrote: With release 15 I did something like    mkdir 15    cp -a 14/userdir 15/userdir Then start NetBeans-15 using 15/userdir and a fresh cachedir. Simpler than import settings. Is there any problem/downside doing this

fix needs review (undo/redo don't work is part of the issue)

2022-09-15 Thread Ernie Rael
The bug Editor with Keyboard focus is not active TopComponent (undo/redo don't work while editing)#4437 https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4437 Has a fix Keyboard focus can activate top component #4603 https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4603 which needs review. It's

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