Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi Anil: Thanks for your notes. Please excuse me if I seem a bit pushy here, but could we please take this logic one step further? Which of the many download options on the http://build.ofbiz.org is the Branch you speak of? I see: Nightly Trunk Builds (probably not the Branch); Nightly

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Jeroen van der Wal
Hi Ruth, Branching is a term common to developers so I understand the confusion. There are two release branches in Ofbiz, 4.0 and 9.04 so if you're looking for the latest version of the latest release use this link: http://build.ofbiz.org/builds904/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip Again a point proven

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi Jeroen: Thanks for you quick reply! To the list and the PMC specifically: Could we change the BIG FAT DOWNLOAD button to point to this branch/release? Please? Should I enter this request as a JIRA? Thanks again. Ruth Find me on the web at

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Jeroen van der Wal
IMO the button should direct to a (wiki?)page wich contains links to the latest 9.04 release, setup instructions and end-user documentation. -Jeroen On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com wrote: Hi Jeroen: Thanks for you quick reply! To the list and the PMC

New Users and OFBiz Versions

2009-12-09 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi List: Just downloaded 9.04 version 8853369. Nice job! Very impressive. From where I sit the eCommerce site looks really nice. At first pass, everything shows up on the page in a good way. The default Webtools theme is nice and crisp. I'd recommend this to any first time user. Thanks for

Re: New Users and OFBiz Versions

2009-12-09 Thread Adrian Crum
The 9.04 version does not depend on Java 6 - it requires Java 5. -Adrian Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi List: Just downloaded 9.04 version 8853369. Nice job! Very impressive. From where I sit the eCommerce site looks really nice. At first pass, everything shows up on the page in a good way. The

Re: New Users and OFBiz Versions

2009-12-09 Thread Ruth Hoffman
That works for me! Thanks Adrian Crum wrote: The 9.04 version does not depend on Java 6 - it requires Java 5. -Adrian Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi List: Just downloaded 9.04 version 8853369. Nice job! Very impressive. From where I sit the eCommerce site looks really nice. At first pass,

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi Jeroen: That would work as long as the instructions etc. were not too complicated. IMO, the existing content is too much for a new user to digest. It works for an experienced OFBiz developer because they know exactly where to go to download code. Someone who has never been to the download

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I quicky suggested to use as a basis Ruth's proposition as 1st level then Anil's at 2d level I agree a wiki page would be better because it introduce a wider possibilty (population) to edit. Actually apart from the main page and some technicals infra pages we should try to have all the

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Jacques Le Roux
In the directions to use we need to distinguish users from devs 2 sections (with adequate short obvious explanation in their title) seem enough to me Jacques () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com Hi Jeroen: That would

Re: New Users and OFBiz Versions

2009-12-09 Thread Bruno Busco
Hi Ruth, the version string in the footer is generated issuing the ant svninfo command. You will need the svn command line tool installed to run this. -Bruno 2009/12/9 Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com: That works for me! Thanks Adrian Crum wrote: The 9.04 version does not depend on Java

Re: New Users and OFBiz Versions

2009-12-09 Thread Jacques Le Roux
You may use 1.6 if you want, it works well (better, faster notably) also Jacques () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com That works for me! Thanks Adrian Crum wrote: The 9.04 version does not depend on Java 6 - it

Re: New Users and OFBiz Versions

2009-12-09 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Thanks Bruno. Didn't remember that from before. Ruth Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Ruth, the version string in the footer is generated issuing the ant svninfo command. You will need the svn command line tool installed to run this. -Bruno 2009/12/9 Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com: That works

Re: New Users and OFBiz Versions

2009-12-09 Thread Jacques Le Roux
If you forget an ant target, don't forget ant -p to list them all (OK you have still to remember that an ant target may do what you are looking for, and even know what you are looking for ;o) Jacques () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org From: Ruth Hoffman

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Tim Ruppert
Write some text that will make it easier and I'll post it in there. If it's confusing, please help to make it better. Those pages were put up there for developers - and having some feedback from a tech writer would definitely be helpful. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Tim Ruppert
I do not think this is a good idea at all unless we're going to encourage people to start development on the branch - which is NOT what we've been doing all along. Let's make the text more clear as to what they're getting as well as showing them where to go and get it. Looking forward to some

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Tim Ruppert
You do not want to maintain these download pages in a wiki Jacques - that what all of the infra that we built and Gavin worked on is for. You can certainly have more explanations there, but the page with all of the older downloads, etc - should never be in the wiki. Btw, as far as people

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-09 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues You do not want to maintain these download pages in a wiki Jacques - that what all of the infra that we built and Gavin worked on is for. You can certainly have more explanations there, but the page with all of the older downloads, etc - should

New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi Anil: I feel like I'm spitting in the wind here...Please, let's just start this conversation over again. Under the following circumstances, which version or release of OFBiz should I use? I'm a new user and I want to customize my OFBiz instance for a new ERP deployment. TIA Ruth Find me

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread David E Jones
This page might be helpful, and answers the more general question behind the question: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+Getting+Started -David On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Anil: I feel like I'm spitting in the wind here...Please,

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Anil Patel
Ruth, Its depends on How you plan to work. If a 1) branch has all features you need 2) you plan to only customize for business use 3) Don't plan to contribute enhancements to Ofbiz trunk. Then Use Branch Else If 1) You need features from latest trunk 2) You don't care

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Ruth Hoffman
HI David: If that resource is the definitive answer, then why does that BIG FAT DOWNLOAD button/link point to a trunk build? Shouldn't it point to a release branch tag build with a good probability of working? Am I missing something here? Am I not reading all this information correctly? Why

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Jeroen van der Wal
Hi Ruth, I agree with you on having a branch for the JDK switch (as I propose to use branches for every change) but it doesn't help to be so ruthless (what's in a name) towards the community. I use Max OSX too and are still not able to run Ofbiz from trunk. First I had a JDK issue which I was

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread David E Jones
I suppose we are shameless optimists and hope that people will choose to collaborate with other people using the software, and perhaps even participate in the development. Still, I agree the big download button is a bad design and I never liked it given that there are various options to

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: David E Jones d...@me.com I suppose we are shameless optimists and hope that people will choose to collaborate with other people using the software, and perhaps even participate in the development. Still, I agree the big download button is a bad design and I never liked it given that

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Tim Ruppert
Most of the major projects have a big DOWNLOAD button - it's a good idea - and I'd be surprised if a call to action does not encourage more people to download. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:55 PM,

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi David: Shameless optimists, perhaps. Realists, maybe not. This has nothing to do with collaboration or freedom of choice. This is all about new users being helped or should I say guided towards downloading a version of the project. IMO and experience, not very many people are going to

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi Jacques: Please, lets discuss. Here's what I'd like to see: A download button that points to a known, good release of OFBiz. I don't care if its a 4.x or 9.x version. Just one that has been built and at least runs the eCommerce demo with a minimum of problems. This version should pass the

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Hi Tim: I like the download button idea. It helps new users figure out first steps. It minimizes the chance of error. I would argue not to remove the download button but rather have it point to something else. In fact, I'd like to have it point to several clearly marked downloads: 1) A good

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Anil Patel
Ruth, Thanks for pushing Users interest in the community. Thanks and Regards Anil Patel HotWax Media Inc Find us on the web at www.hotwaxmedia.com or Google Keyword ofbiz On Dec 7, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I like the download button idea. It helps new users figure out

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread David E Jones
The point is we need more than one so people can choose, and are more aware that there is a choice. -David On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: Most of the major projects have a big DOWNLOAD button - it's a good idea - and I'd be surprised if a call to action does not encourage

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Tim Ruppert
Click previous versions - it takes you were you have options. You don't need the options on the home page IMO. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Dec 7, 2009, at 3:51 PM, David E Jones wrote: The point is we need more

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Scott Gray
The download button links to build.ofbiz.org which displays trunk, 9.04 and 4.0. The only thing I see missing are descriptions of the three. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 8/12/2009, at 11:51 AM, David E Jones wrote: The point is we need more than one so people

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Quick answer (hopefully more yesterday) I found Ruth's proposition as 1st level then Anil's at 2d level a good start Jacques () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org From: David E Jones d...@me.com The point is we need more than one so people can choose, and are

Re: New Users and OFBiz versions was: Bugs and open Jira issues

2009-12-07 Thread Scott Gray
Okay never mind, I realize now we're talking about the download button on the build page and not the main page. Regards Scott On 8/12/2009, at 11:59 AM, Scott Gray wrote: The download button links to build.ofbiz.org which displays trunk, 9.04 and 4.0. The only thing I see missing are