Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-05 Thread Tim Ruppert
Sorry - writing on mobile devices while traveling is never a good idea - guess I need one of those messages that tries to apologies for having fingers bigger than a mobile keyboard :) - here's what I was saying without all of the duh built in: >> My fellow committer (this time you are that fell

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Adam, It's also a matter of time. Jacques From: "Adam Heath" David E Jones wrote: In spite of what you wrote here I will resist the urge to reply in any detail. I hope others will recognize how shallow and sanctimonious these remarks are, and that at least some will understand and make an

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Adam Heath
Tim Ruppert wrote: > My fellow committer has his terseness in response - but I have to admit that > I'd rather have him consistently call that spade a spade not too because he's > just too busy to help to do it right ... Completely new implementations are > one thing, but when you're replacing

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Tim Ruppert
My fellow committer has his terseness in response - but I have to admit that I'd rather have him consistently call that spade a spade not too because he's just too busy to help to do it right ... Completely new implementations are one thing, but when you're replacing existing functionality we'v

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Hans Bakker
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 19:04 -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > Hans Bakker wrote: > > Adam, > > > > please do not introduce the Debian fights where you seem to be so proud > > of, in this mailing list. > > I never said that. I said my experience with Debian in the past has > made me able to work better

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread David E Jones
On Feb 4, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Adam Heath wrote: > David E Jones wrote: >> In spite of what you wrote here I will resist the urge to reply in any >> detail. >> >> I hope others will recognize how shallow and sanctimonious these remarks >> are, and that at least some will understand and make an ef

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Adam Heath
David E Jones wrote: > In spite of what you wrote here I will resist the urge to reply in any detail. > > I hope others will recognize how shallow and sanctimonious these remarks are, > and that at least some will understand and make an effort not to treat others > this way. Empathy and compassi

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Adam Heath
David E Jones wrote: > In spite of what you wrote here I will resist the urge to reply in any detail. > > I hope others will recognize how shallow and sanctimonious these remarks are, > and that at least some will understand and make an effort not to treat others > this way. Empathy and compassi

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Adam Heath
Hans Bakker wrote: > Adam, > > please do not introduce the Debian fights where you seem to be so proud > of, in this mailing list. I never said that. I said my experience with Debian in the past has made me able to work better in community projects. And that if people think this is a flamewar,

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Discussions will always happen, I agree on this. But if there are frequent frictions caused by different philosophy and vision about OFBiz, as I think is happening recently, then in my opinion we should try, all together, to address them. I have spent a lot of time thinking about this and trying

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-04 Thread Adrian Crum
Why do you feel you need to solve anything? Let the players sort things out for themselves. There will always be disagreements in the community. Within the community we have design philosophy differences and cultural differences. Those differences have to be discussed and resolved. There is n

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-03 Thread Hans Bakker
Adam, please do not introduce the Debian fights where you seem to be so proud of, in this mailing list. I appreciate your technical involvement but your mailinglist behavior is not acceptable. You are scaring away any new contributions from new people. Regards, Hans On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 22:3

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-03 Thread David E Jones
In spite of what you wrote here I will resist the urge to reply in any detail. I hope others will recognize how shallow and sanctimonious these remarks are, and that at least some will understand and make an effort not to treat others this way. Empathy and compassion most certainly have a place

Re: Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-03 Thread Adam Heath
David E Jones wrote: > Go on all you like. The simple point is that you need to tone it > down if you want others to be willing to contribute. This is a > community-driven project, and you are not the boss. If you want > code to be a certain way, then by all means step up and make it > that way. Wh

Community Interactions (was Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml)

2010-02-03 Thread David E Jones
Go on all you like. The simple point is that you need to tone it down if you want others to be willing to contribute. This is a community-driven project, and you are not the boss. If you want code to be a certain way, then by all means step up and make it that way. Why do you expect others to d

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-03 Thread Adam Heath
Adrian Crum wrote: > *gasp* > > You commented on the committer, not on the commit. > > *renounces faith in Heathenism* Exactly. I do it so rarely, that when I do, I must mean it. I have a high tolerance for this stuff, but this time I just had to speak out.

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-03 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Adrian Crum" --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Adam Heath wrote: From: Adam Heath Subject: Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 9:53 PM David E Jones wrote: > O

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-03 Thread Adrian Crum
--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Adam Heath wrote: > Um, very often I do.  For any large commit set where I > know it could > cause problems with external entities, I do interim testing > at each > commit level, clean-all/run-install/run-tests. This process can't be stressed enough. I always run ant clean-all

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-03 Thread Adrian Crum
--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Adam Heath wrote: > From: Adam Heath > Subject: Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: > ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml > To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 9:53 PM > David E Jones wrote: > >

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-03 Thread Adam Heath
Hans Bakker wrote: > On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 00:21 -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > >>> 2. if you would have the lib file on your disk, the build would not >>> fail. >> Huh? It was not possible for this to succeed. How did it succeed for >> you? In a word, it didn't, because you didn't even try. >> > >

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Adam Heath
Scott Gray wrote: > Wow, how about we all calm it down a few levels, despite the biblical > references I don't think the end is nigh quite just yet and it's safe to > relax a little bit. > > One downside of buildbot is that everybody is acutely aware of any failures > that occur regardless of h

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Scott Gray
On 2/02/2010, at 10:58 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: > Hi Scott, > > it would be really nice if you could try to work together and not always > try to show that you are technically capable. That is certainly not my intention and it bothers me greatly if it comes across that way. My reasoning was that

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Hans Bakker
Hi Scott, it would be really nice if you could try to work together and not always try to show that you are technically capable. You already showed your technical capability several times and we appreciate what you are doing in that area, it helped the project a lot. I can only say that it did co

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Scott Gray
Wow, how about we all calm it down a few levels, despite the biblical references I don't think the end is nigh quite just yet and it's safe to relax a little bit. One downside of buildbot is that everybody is acutely aware of any failures that occur regardless of how quickly they are fixed, but

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Scott Gray
On 2/02/2010, at 10:25 PM, Hans Bakker wrote: > On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 00:21 -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > >>> 2. if you would have the lib file on your disk, the build would not >>> fail. >> >> Huh? It was not possible for this to succeed. How did it succeed for >> you? In a word, it didn't, bec

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Hans Bakker
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 00:21 -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > > 2. if you would have the lib file on your disk, the build would not > > fail. > > Huh? It was not possible for this to succeed. How did it succeed for > you? In a word, it didn't, because you didn't even try. > so you tell me that i am

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread David E Jones
On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:53 PM, Adam Heath wrote: > David E Jones wrote: >> On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Adam Heath wrote: >> >>> hans...@apache.org wrote: Author: hansbak Date: Wed Feb 3 03:58:13 2010 New Revision: 905878 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=905878&view

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Adam Heath
Hans Bakker wrote: > Really amazing Adam, > > 1. the commit has no functional changes it is a move. Wrong, it changes things, you have to verify that they work. Really. A simple clean/build would have found it. > 2. if you would have the lib file on your disk, the build would not > fail. Huh?

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Hans Bakker
Really amazing Adam, 1. the commit has no functional changes it is a move. 2. if you would have the lib file on your disk, the build would not fail. 3. the build error was corrected in less than an hour. Regards, Hans On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 23:07 -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > hans...@apache.org wrot

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Adam Heath
David E Jones wrote: > On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Adam Heath wrote: > >> hans...@apache.org wrote: >>> Author: hansbak >>> Date: Wed Feb 3 03:58:13 2010 >>> New Revision: 905878 >>> >>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=905878&view=rev >>> Log: >>> fix build error reported by buildbot >> Ho

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread David E Jones
On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Adam Heath wrote: > hans...@apache.org wrote: >> Author: hansbak >> Date: Wed Feb 3 03:58:13 2010 >> New Revision: 905878 >> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=905878&view=rev >> Log: >> fix build error reported by buildbot > > How did you not discover this b

Re: svn commit: r905878 - in /ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose: ebay/build.xml ebaystore/ofbiz-component.xml

2010-02-02 Thread Adam Heath
hans...@apache.org wrote: > Author: hansbak > Date: Wed Feb 3 03:58:13 2010 > New Revision: 905878 > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=905878&view=rev > Log: > fix build error reported by buildbot How did you not discover this before you commited it? Did you not do a clean-all/run-install