Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-03-06 Thread Gregor Hartmann
Rene Engelhard schrieb: Thorsten Ziehm wrote: Thorsten Ziehm wrote: I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to find build issues in these different

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-03-06 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Mathias, *, On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Mathias Bauer nospamfor...@gmx.de wrote: Thorsten Ziehm wrote: I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Andre, Perhaps to use a build bots for CWS builds or for master builds here in Hamburg could be a solution. But my intension is to search for all requirements which are needed in build environment and want to find then a solution. And I do not want to nail down now, that we have to use build

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Mathias Bauer
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: Hi Mathias, I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to find build issues in these different environment. When these environment

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: [...] 3. I want to have TestBots - or how ever you want to call it - with defined environment to check each CWS automatically or by manual trigger. On these BuildBots automated testing will run automatically on each CWS. and 6. It is needed to have builds

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Original-Nachricht Von: Thorsten Ziehm thorsten.zi...@sun.com Hi Andre, Hmm? What request is not valid? That QA communitiy shoud be able to get somehow reliable builds from buildbots to be able to do CWS tests? I will explain it again. I try to explain my

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-26 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Thorsten Ziehm schrieb: *No* TestBots are *not* the solution for getting reliable builds. TestBots are the solution for running automated tests on reliable builds. For 'testing' you can take every build you want. I haven't seen builds of all build bots, but you can use that versions

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-25 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Rene, Rene Engelhard wrote: Hi, Thorsten Ziehm wrote: I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to find build issues in these different environment. When

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-24 Thread Mathias Bauer
Thorsten Behrens wrote: Nils Fuhrmann wrote: I know that there were some issue regarding QA'ing buildbot builds in past. To get an idea what the real problem is, we should collect those issues in detail when they occur to find the root cause for them (as we always do). If those issues still

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-24 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Mathias, I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to find build issues in these different environment. When these environment will be nearly the same, then

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-24 Thread Mathias Bauer
Mathias Bauer wrote: Perhaps it would help to agree on what we want to have in an ideal world. And then see what we can achieve now and in the forseeable future. At that point we can decide whether it makes sense to look on trees or if we already like the wood. I agree with Caolan and

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Thorsten Ziehm wrote: I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to find build issues in these different environment. When these environment will be nearly

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-24 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Mathias Bauer wrote: [let build bots be the 'reference' build system] Is that a wood we could agree on? Or shall we keep the status quo and look on the trees? Hi Mathias, definitely the former. And I like the picture of the forest you paint. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-24 Thread Juergen Schmidt
André Schnabel wrote: Hi, Thorsten Ziehm schrieb: I do not see the need to bring the build bots near to the build environment here in Hamburg. The request for build bots was (as I know) to have builds in different environments to find build issues in these different environment. When these

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Andre, where is the problem? (I know I asked this since months and do not get any detailed answer) :-( As I heard often in the past months that it isn't possible to compare the test results in QUASTE of a Sun build with an OOo buildbot build. As I know there are only a few differences and

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Gregor Hartmann
Hi, another problem or rather a question is: what are Buildbots meant to be good for? Fom when they were introduced they had two tasks to perform 1. Test the build under as many different system configurations as possible. 2. Produce builds which are suitable for QA. so the Buildbots seem

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 14:48 +0100, Gregor Hartmann wrote: Hi, another problem or rather a question is: what are Buildbots meant to be good for? Fom when they were introduced they had two tasks to perform 1. Test the build under as many different system configurations as possible. 2.

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Thorsten, Original-Nachricht Von: Thorsten Ziehm thorsten.zi...@sun.com where is the problem? (I know I asked this since months and do not get any detailed answer) :-( You are correct with this. And I was just going to get builds from the buildbots to do some

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Andre Schnabel
and finally ... Original-Nachricht Von: Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net I'll try to get at least some linux builds: http://termite.go-oo.org/buildbot/builders/Ubuntu-7.10-i386/builds/661 this failed as well. André -- Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! GMX FreeDSL -

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Gregor Hartmann
It needed to have a patch applied. done now. I also forced your build again Gregor Andre Schnabel schrieb: and finally ... Original-Nachricht Von: Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net I'll try to get at least some linux builds:

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Gregor Hartmann wrote: another problem or rather a question is: what are Buildbots meant to be good for? Fom when they were introduced they had two tasks to perform 1. Test the build under as many different system configurations as possible. 2. Produce builds which are suitable for QA.

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Andre, Andre Schnabel schrieb: Hi Thorsten, Original-Nachricht Von: Thorsten Ziehm thorsten.zi...@sun.com where is the problem? (I know I asked this since months and do not get any detailed answer) :-( You are correct with this. And I was just going to get builds

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 17:27 +0100, Jörg Jahnke wrote: ... installing some BuildBots that are as close as possible to the Hamburg RE environment where the milestone builds take place, so that the BuildBots can create builds with a higher reliabiliy. I'd say to go the extra step, and

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Jörg, Jörg Jahnke schrieb: Is this really the answer to Thorstens older question? I guess not. I was just looking at one tree in the wood. Unfortunately this tree is in my way so that I cannot even enter the wood. And also to Mechtilde's initial question, which Stephan posted here,

[dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-18 Thread Stephan Bergmann
During FOSDEM, Mechtilde told me about a problem the QA community is experiencing, namely that buildbot builds (of CWSs) are quite different functionality-wise from the standard builds (of milestones and releases, often done by Sun Hamburg Release Engineering). Those differences are

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-18 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 12:00 +0100, Stephan Bergmann wrote: I assume that many buildbots use additional configure switches that influence the functionality of the resulting OOo. ... (I do not know where to easily look up which buildbot uses which switches, so I did not bother to

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-18 Thread Nils Fuhrmann
Hi Stephan, all, Stephan Bergmann schrieb: During FOSDEM, Mechtilde told me about a problem the QA community is experiencing, namely that buildbot builds (of CWSs) are quite different functionality-wise from the standard builds (of milestones and releases, often done by Sun Hamburg Release

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-18 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Nils, Original-Nachricht Von: Nils Fuhrmann nils.fuhrm...@sun.com Stephan Bergmann schrieb: During FOSDEM, Mechtilde told me about a problem the QA community is experiencing, namely that buildbot builds (of CWSs) are quite different functionality-wise from the

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-18 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Nils Fuhrmann wrote: I know that there were some issue regarding QA'ing buildbot builds in past. To get an idea what the real problem is, we should collect those issues in detail when they occur to find the root cause for them (as we always do). If those issues still are existent, I

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-18 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Andre Schnabel schrieb: Hi Nils, Stephan Bergmann schrieb: During FOSDEM, Mechtilde told me about a problem the QA community is experiencing, namely that buildbot builds (of CWSs) are quite different functionality-wise from the standard builds (of milestones and releases, often done