Re: [OSM-dev] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

2015-10-30 Thread Amaroussi (OpenStreetMap)
In before the fierce complaints by users who were to the blue/green/red system (not naming any specific people)! But even though I am less loyal to the UK due to the austerity measures, I kinda had a special connection with the blue/green/red system. I’m not saying that the new colours are bad

Re: [OSM-dev] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

2015-10-30 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 30 October 2015 at 22:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > - shop=pharmacy (use office=pharmacy) This should be amenity=pharmacy instead of office=pharmacy, of course. -- Matthijs ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.o

[OSM-dev] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

2015-10-30 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Today, v2.36.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. It might still take a couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: * Major rewrite of road and railway rendering, as part of Mateusz Konie

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
In Dutch, in English and other languages based on the Latin alphabet /Afghanistan/ is spelled about the same. But for example in Greek it is: /Αφγανιστάν/, in Ukrainian: /Афганістан/, in Kazakh: /Ауғанстан/, etc. Even though people study foreign languages in school, the absolute majority speak,

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Simon Poole
Am 30.10.2015 um 13:31 schrieb Maarten Deen: > > So you have to have some kind of mechanisme to decide when to show > name:en (which I want to see for e.g. Afghanistan) and when to show name. > That is simple, we live with some people not being completely happy :-) * Seriously the whole point is

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2015-10-30 12:29, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: But if we have a vector-based map itself language selection, that we could just add tags _name:fr_ or _name: ru_ and have the OSM map of say New York in French or in Russian for tourists. Or map of Siberia in German also for tourists, Middle East in E

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Stadin, Benjamin
One such service would be MapBox [1] itself. And in my opinion mapbox-gl-js would be a natural choice for the client part. MapBox is doing a really good job, and this is getting really solid. I wrote a tiny script to create a mapbox-gl-js package for own deployment [2]. It doesn't do much useful a

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 30.10.2015 11:10, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): - vector maps are consuming more energy to display (because have to be calculated/rendered) -> problem on mobile devices, but also generally Mobile applications like OsmAnd show that while it really is slower, it's still usable. I wou

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Colin Smale
Can't we have a multi-lingual map by overlaying a base tile with a transparent text layer in the chosen language? We wouldn't *need* vector tiles for that, just a bit more storage (bitmap-based text layers should compress nicely) and clients which can handle the selection and display of the extr

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 30 October 2015, Jochen Topf wrote: > > This is not a failure of the vector tile approach in general. It > might be a problem of how the vector tiles are generated today, but > not a general problem of the vector tile approach. A vector tile can > contain any data that you need for render

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
I've heard from the OSM operations team's member at the conference that it is the question of the servers' infrastructure cost. But if we have a vector-based map itself language selection, that we could just add tags /name:fr/ or /name: ru/ and have the OSM map of say New York in French or in

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2015-10-30 11:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: One of the advantages of the the vector-based map would be the multilingualism. For instance at the moment the OSM map of the Middle East is basically useless for me as I do not know the Arabic alphabet yet. But as far as I understand and as I heard

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
One of the advantages of the the vector-based map would be the multilingualism. For instance at the moment the OSM map of the Middle East is basically useless for me as I do not know the Arabic alphabet yet. But as far as I understand and as I heard at the conference the vector-based map would

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fr, Okt 30, 2015 at 10:52:40 +0100, Christoph Hormann wrote: > If you look at design problems recently discussed in the osm-carto style > development[2] you will see most of them have nothing to do with vector > tiles, they would not be made any easier to address with such an > approach. On

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Simon Poole
Am 30.10.2015 um 11:10 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2015-10-30 10:52 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann >: > > So far use of vector tiles seem to primarily > have lead to the following effects: > > - improved tile serving efficiency > - a larger bandwidt

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 30 October 2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > - improved tile serving efficiency > > - a larger bandwidth of style variations > > - tighter contraints in basic styling decisions beyond what is > > already imposed by the OSM data model > > some additional points that come into mind:

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-30 10:52 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann : > So far use of vector tiles seem to primarily > have lead to the following effects: > > - improved tile serving efficiency > - a larger bandwidth of style variations > - tighter contraints in basic styling decisions beyond what is already > imposed b

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 30 October 2015, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Kartotherian , the > Mapnik+Mapbox-based vector service has been implemented and > trial-launched at Wikipedia. The > service itself is fairly stable, but the styles can

Re: [OSM-dev] Migrating osm.org to vectors/Kartotherian

2015-10-30 Thread Tom Hughes
On 30/10/15 01:11, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: At the State of the Map conference, some OSM developers were discussing the possibility of migrating osm.org to the vector-based backend. I would like to get some feedback on feasibility and desirability of this effort. Well I think ev