Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-13 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 13 Dec 2019, at 15:03, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Friday, December 13, 2019 12:53:57 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: What? There are only two images that are release blocking for optical media right now. Everything/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Everything-netinst-x86_64- _RELEASE_MILESTONE_.i so

Re: future of official optical media support in Fedora

2016-12-09 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 8 Dec 2016, at 11:22, Dennis Gilmore wrote: On miércoles, 7 de diciembre de 2016 1:56:32 PM CST Mike Pinkerton wrote: I use the Server netinstall image. Use cases include loop mounting the netinstall .iso on boxes with Grub2 -- works on remote boxes where there is no physical access

Re: future of official optical media support in Fedora

2016-12-07 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 6 Dec 2016, at 09:43, Kamil Paral wrote: Which images to cover, that's the heart of the discussion. If you look into our test matrix again, we currently block on 6 of them: * Workstation Live + netinst * KDE Live * Server DVD + netinst * Everything netinst What comes first to my mind is

Re: RFC (round 2): Change the default hostname for Fedora 26+

2016-11-15 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 15 Nov 2016, at 11:37, Bastien Nocera wrote: As mentioned in the fedora-desktop thread about branding, I don't like seeing this sort of randomly generated and nonsensical (and I mean that in that a string of hex characters obviously don't *mean* something) shouldn't be user-visible.

Re: dnssec-trigger + GNOME + NetworkManager integration

2015-07-10 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 10 Jul 2015, at 15:40, Björn Persson wrote: Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 11:21 -0400, Mike Pinkerton wrote: Isn't the whole point to eliminate the need for third party certificate authorities entirely? Well I think you could choose to do that, or you could choose

Re: dnssec-trigger + GNOME + NetworkManager integration

2015-07-03 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 3 Jul 2015, at 10:44, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 15:43 +0200, Petr Spacek wrote: For the record, and all this can be solved by DNSSEC + DANE. See RFC 6698. I was planning to use DANE as a second required check in addition to the normal certificate chain. That is, if

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Disabled Repositories Support

2015-03-18 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 18 Mar 2015, at 08:40, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 03/16/2015 06:48 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: If the working group deems the software to be that useful, wouldn't it be better to bring its packaging up to the quality of the official Fedora repo, and make it more easily discoverable by all

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Disabled Repositories Support

2015-03-16 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 16 Mar 2015, at 12:57, Josh Boyer wrote: a) This change impacts users, while these COPRs are not useful to them. There are no COPR repo files that are installed by default today, which means none of them use this mechanism yet. Which means there is literally no change for any user at

Re: FESCO request to revert password confirmation change in F22

2015-03-10 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 10 Mar 2015, at 07:00, Matěj Cepl wrote: On 2015-03-10, 10:15 GMT, Björn Persson wrote: The user surely knows better what a good password is than the software does. If the user picks a crappy password, there's probably a good reason. There are two possible reasons why you would say

Re: FESCO request to revert password confirmation change in F22

2015-03-08 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 7 Mar 2015, at 20:35, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 7 March 2015 at 15:33, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: On 7 Mar 2015, at 15:52, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 7 March 2015 at 11:53, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: On 7 Mar 2015, at 10:41, Björn

Re: FESCO request to revert password confirmation change in F22

2015-03-07 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 7 Mar 2015, at 10:41, Björn Persson wrote: Mike Pinkerton wrote: On 6 Mar 2015, at 23:49, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-03-06 at 23:09 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: I hope https://xkcd.com/936/will be among the inputs to that discussion. I'm fond of noting that pwquality has

Re: [Test-Announce] 2015-03-09 @ ** 15:00 ** UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2015-03-07 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 7 Mar 2015, at 02:16, Adam Williamson wrote: for 15:00 UTC. If your clocks go back this weekend, the meeting should be at the same local time as it was before. If your clocks don't go back, it will be one hour earlier. Spring forward, Fall back. -- Mike -- devel mailing list

Re: FESCO request to revert password confirmation change in F22

2015-03-07 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 7 Mar 2015, at 15:52, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 7 March 2015 at 11:53, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: On 7 Mar 2015, at 10:41, Björn Persson wrote: Mike Pinkerton wrote: On 6 Mar 2015, at 23:49, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-03-06 at 23:09 +0100, Björn

Re: FESCO request to revert password confirmation change in F22

2015-03-06 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 6 Mar 2015, at 23:49, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-03-06 at 23:09 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: I hope https://xkcd.com/936/will be among the inputs to that discussion. I'm fond of noting that pwquality has not yet blacklisted any variant of correcthorsebatterystaple. I've been

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Pinkerton
as I can see, firstboot is only useful on one's personal box. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-12 Thread Mike Pinkerton
in the '%post' install section of the kick-start file. Not just virtualized deployments, but also in remote installs on bare metal. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-12 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 12 Jan 2015, at 12:02, P J P wrote: On Monday, 12 January 2015 8:47 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: Not just virtualized deployments, but also in remote installs on bare metal. Okay and the '%post' install section trick won't help there? IIUC, it'd depend on which tool/application is used

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-09 Thread Mike Pinkerton
. Often not the case in small business or third party hosted environments. Without remote ssh, box is unmanageable. Even if you want to do key-based authentication rather than password, you still need to use password initially to get the key onto the remote box. -- Mike Pinkerton

Re: Abotu setting 'PermitRootLogin=no' in sshd_config

2014-12-24 Thread Mike Pinkerton
loss of usability. If it is about remotely installed VM images, it's also discussed here - https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/security/2014- December/002061.html Remotely installed on bare metal. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: Other download options

2014-12-10 Thread Mike Pinkerton
of those ideas is. My users are accustomed to Gnome, so I prefer not to change to one of the alternative desktop environment spins if there is an easy way forward with Gnome. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: Other download options

2014-12-10 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 10 Dec 2014, at 12:52, Ben Cotton wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: I also am trying to figure out how I can use Fedora going forward to support general desktop requirements for SMB office workers, creative types and others who have

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Pinkerton
disagree. Perhaps a better compromise would have been to leave the old defaults in place, and add a new pre-configured more open zone for those who want fewer constraints. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 8 Dec 2014, at 17:07, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 03:20:30PM -0500, Mike Pinkerton wrote: burning your old market when trying to grow a new one. From a marketing standpoint, that is just crazy. In a for-profit company, where products are connected to revenue streams

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-04 Thread Mike Pinkerton
similar meanings to this US-English speaker, and all seem like reasonable choices, although the last three might require a parenthetical explanation for some folk. Yes, Myrtle Green would make a nice color for the bike shed. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-07-11) meeting minutes and logs

2014-07-25 Thread Mike Pinkerton
? -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: fedora-release-$PRODUCT, /etc/issue, /etc/os-release, Per-Product Configs and more!

2014-07-10 Thread Mike Pinkerton
- release package is switched out, then any product requirements or constraints would disappear and the system would be a traditional, non-productized Fedora system that could then be configured however the system administrator chose. Is that assumption wrong? Thanks. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel

Re: fedora-release-$PRODUCT, /etc/issue, /etc/os-release, Per-Product Configs and more!

2014-07-09 Thread Mike Pinkerton
non-productized Fedora 21 system and, in due time, from traditional non-productized Fedora 21 to 22, etc. Am I mistaken on any or all of this? -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-23 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 23 May 2013, at 01:27, Björn Persson wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 02:20 +0300, Oron Peled wrote: Thinking about it, the terminology adopted by comps is clearer and provides a generalization of this -- if someone select something they get: - Mandatory packages

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-06 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 5 May 2013, at 20:31, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com said: - the checksums for netinstall images are signed with a Fedora key - the corresponding public key is made available through https - therefore the integrity of installer images can be verified

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-04 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 4 May 2013, at 02:03, Chris Adams wrote: Creating a complete chain of trust is hard. Sure, creating a complete chain of trust is hard, but the closest thing we have to it today is downloading an iso and verifying its checksum -- and trusting that (a) the release team verified the

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 3 May 2013, at 09:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what should and should not be on it. Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? When you

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com said: Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall? I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a corrupt package). Are you sure that signatures

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 13 Mar 2013, at 10:16, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot sequence. There have been a number of suggestions that have taken a Windows 8 approach to this problem -- auto-detecting error conditions or enabling one to reboot

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 13 Mar 2013, at 14:51, Chris Murphy wrote: By the way, in this brave new fast boot world, how is one expected to get to the BIOS or firmware set-up programs? Firmware specific. F1 and F2 are very common. HP and some Toshibas are Esc. My question was more timing than keystroke --

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-27 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 26 Jan 2013, at 15:28, Michael Scherer wrote: Le samedi 26 janvier 2013 à 15:20 -0500, Mike Pinkerton a écrit : On 26 Jan 2013, at 13:09, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: If you could SSH into fedup during its offline

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-26 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 26 Jan 2013, at 12:11, Chris Murphy wrote: After 1/2 dozen fedup upgrades during testing, on average the downtime portion of the upgrade was between 25 and 40 minutes. On a five year old laptop, with 4GB of RAM, and WDC Scorpio Blue rust drive (the new computer with SSD did the fedup

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-26 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 26 Jan 2013, at 13:09, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: If a fedup upgrade can go offline for a lengthy, but uncertain, amount of time, then the lack of feedback is worrying. You can't hold your breath for 25 minutes

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 25 Jan 2013, at 14:23, Simo Sorce wrote: Ah, so you have to reboot anyway, so where is the difference between your approach and proper offline updates then? Either way you have to interrupt your work to reboot the machine. One just takes a slight bit longer for rebooting... A) One

Re: Usr Move - More, Please

2012-01-30 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 30 Jan 2012, at 00:17, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mike Pinkerton wrote: Additionally, app style programs will become more common in the future, whether on a portable or a desktop. Those app style programs are the only way one can create a central marketplace for small, easily downloaded

Re: Usr Move - More, Please

2012-01-30 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 30 Jan 2012, at 10:01, Emanuel Rietveld wrote: On 01/30/2012 03:38 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: You might not want to encourage the app model, but that boat already left the dock. For Linux distros to be players on portables and desktops, they need to recognize

Usr Move - More, Please

2012-01-29 Thread Mike Pinkerton
: /bin- /usr/bin /sbin - /usr/bin /lib- /usr/lib /usr/local - /opt /usr/sbin - /usr/bin Bottomline, congratulations Harald and Kay on a good first step to simplifying and rationalizing the file structure. Now keep going. -- Mike Pinkerton Kool-Aid Drinker