On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 02:26 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> I asked myself that question. These are my answers. Please add yours!
I'll add to this. As some may have noted from the previous "project
status" thread, I went through a process of trying to understand what
issues there were with
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 22:33 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On 05/11/15 22:21, Bob Ham wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >> On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote:
> >>> That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 21:19 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On 04/11/15 22:57, Bob Ham wrote:
> > That's all helpful, thanks. However, I'm still not entirely sure which
> > are the "fundamental" problems Toad spoke of
> Okay, I will give some here, since peopl
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 07:49 -0500, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> On 11/04/2015 07:41 AM, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> ...
> > Did you see https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Research_challenges or the
> > section titled "Do we understand Freenet?" on toad's blog?
No I missed those.
> Also this thread:
>
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 12:02 +0100, Ximin Luo wrote:
> On 04/11/15 11:55, Bob Ham wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 08:40 +0100, xor wrote:
> >> we also haven't encountered any unsolvable
> >> technical goals with how it is.
> >
> > Toad says ther
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 08:40 +0100, xor wrote:
> we also haven't encountered any unsolvable
> technical goals with how it is.
Toad says there are fundamental problems with Freenet. Is that not the
case?
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On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 22:47 +, Bob Ham wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 18:18 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > The key point is to solve the numerous fundamental problems which still
> > exist in Freenet
>
> What are these problems? Are they described anywhere? Is
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 11:02 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:55 -0600, Ian wrote:
> > > Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship - Robert C.
> > Martin
> &
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 11:30 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 11:02 -0600, Ian wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
> > >
>
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:55 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:43 -0600, Ian wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
> > >
>
On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 18:18 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> the numerous fundamental problems which still
> exist in Freenet
Could you please describe those problems?
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On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:47 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:32 -0600, Ian wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
> > > >
&
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 21:14 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Montag, 2. November 2015, 22:53:13 schrieb Bob Ham:
> > In which case it's even more critical to be clear about what you're
> > trying to achieve and how the things you spend your time on help to
> > achieve
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 21:17 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Now you show the Hurd as an example and tell us that you want us to
> spec our protocol instead of making Freenet more useful to its users
My argument is that what is most useful to the world is an ecosystem of
implementations of
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 21:16 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. November 2015, 18:32:39 schrieb Bob Ham:
> > On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 18:18 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >
> > > the numerous fundamental problems which still
> > > exist in
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 08:57 -0600, Ian wrote:
> The GNU Hurd is a cautionary tale, not a model for software
> development.
If GNU Hurd is a cautionary tale, what is Freenet?
> As for your belief that documentation will solve everything
I have no such belief.
> You may also be unaware that in
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:10 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Ximin Luo
> wrote:
> >
> > You're applying a generalisation inappropriately here. Linux did not win
> > because they spent time writing code instead of documentation. They did
> > both.
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:14 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 08:57 -0600, Ian wrote:
> > > You may also be unaware that in the ideal case, well-written code is
> > > self-document
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:35 -0600, Ian wrote:
> Anyone educated on modern software development practices knows that
> well-written code is self-documenting
I disagree.
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On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:32 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not claiming that Linux won just because they spent more time writing
> > > code than documentation
> >
> > What are you cl
On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:43 -0600, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Bob Ham <r...@settrans.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2015-11-03 at 10:35 -0600, Ian wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone educated on modern software development practices knows that
> >
On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 06:28 -0500, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> On 11/02/2015 06:26 AM, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> > On 11/02/2015 06:21 AM, Bob Ham wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 05:54 -0500, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> >>> one
> >>> may observe that we
On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 08:15 -0500, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> I feel like you're belitting what work we do because we have not
> performed it in accordance with an overarching strategy.
I'm not trying to belittle anyone, I'm simply pointing out that there is
a problem in how the project is going
On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 22:16 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Aren't all volunteer projects necessarily coalitions of people with
> differing goals?
No, many volunteer projects are coalitions of people with the same
goals.
> I mean, how much front-most leadership and strategy is
> actually
On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 18:18 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On 02/11/15 13:02, Bob Ham wrote:
> > It seems that nobody here believes that in five years' time Freenet
> > developers will be publishing an RFC. Instead, people seem to be
> > focussed on updating the website
On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 22:14 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> The Internet is being developed by full-time paid staff at large
> companies and by researchers at major universities.
>
> In these environments, RFC style development makes sense.
>
> In contrast, Freenet is developed by a
On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 05:54 -0500, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> one
> may observe that we have not written up protocol documentation, making
> that our current strategy.
I'm not sure what you mean; what are you referring to with the word
"that"? What is your current strategy?
On Sun, 2015-11-01 at 12:07 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Saturday, 31. October 2015 16:27:42 Bob Ham wrote:
> > 15:47 < pintu> there is no clear strategy on how to get from here to a
> > robust, published protocol enabling censorship resistant publishing
>
On Sat, 2015-10-31 at 22:18 +0100, Bert Massop wrote:
> Nor did I learn how documenting a protocol,
> what you seem to be advocating endlessly, would help just the slightest
> bit in getting there.
I was assuming the audience was aware of how protocols are usually
developed on the Internet.
On Sat, 2015-10-14 at 20:22 +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
> I think it's time for us all to take a step back and have a serious
> conversation about where we are, and where we are going.
I (as pintu) asked this question on IRC a little while back, I think
it's worth sharing that log. Here is an
On Sat, 2015-10-14 at 20:22 +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
> I think it's time for us all to take a step back and have a serious
> conversation about where we are, and where we are going.
I (as pintu) asked this question on IRC a little while back, I think
it's worth sharing that log. Here is an
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 19:08 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 04:16:13PM +0100, Bob Ham wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 15:51 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > Take it to -tech please.
> >
> > That's pretty ridiculous.
>
> Is it rel
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 15:51 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Take it to -tech please.
That's pretty ridiculous.
Bob
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different limits to each set of keys. Is there a reason this can't
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On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 11:22 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 07:31:53AM +0100, Bob Ham wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 00:46 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > 1031 should fix this bug. Please try it.
> >
> > What was the problem?
>
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 00:46 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> 1031 should fix this bug. Please try it.
What was the problem?
Bob
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What was the problem?
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1031 should fix this bug. Please try it.
What was the problem?
A bug in the request queue code that only
by the Cache. I want to assign
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happen?
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On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 15:51 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
Take it to -tech please.
That's pretty ridiculous.
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On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 19:08 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 04:16:13PM +0100, Bob Ham wrote:
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 15:51 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
Take it to -tech please.
That's pretty ridiculous.
Is it relevant to the development of the next few builds
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 16:12 +0200, Florent Daigni?re (NextGen$) wrote:
> * Bob Ham [2007-05-02 14:33:13]:
>
> > On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 19:02 +0200, Florent Daigni?re (NextGen$) wrote:
> > > * bbackde at googlemail.com [2007-05-01
> > > 18:50:31]:
> >
>
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 15:35 +0200, Florent Daigni?re (NextGen$) wrote:
> * Bob Ham [2007-05-02 14:33:13]:
> >
> > > We need to catch the bug; implementing a hack ... would only be a
> > > workaround.
> >
> > Perhaps implement something to help catch t
bug; implementing a hack ... would only be a workaround.
Perhaps implement something to help catch the bug?
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Perhaps implement something to help catch the bug?
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On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 16:12 +0200, Florent Daignière (NextGen$) wrote:
* Bob Ham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-02 14:33:13]:
On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 19:02 +0200, Florent Daignière (NextGen$) wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-01 18:50:31]:
So now we know
On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 18:19 +0200, bbackde at googlemail.com wrote:
> I've noticed this as well on downloads. If I change the priority,
> either lower or higher, the download will start retrieving blocks
> again.
I can confirm this behaviour.
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I've noticed this as well on downloads. If I change the priority,
either lower or higher, the download will start retrieving blocks
again.
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> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 01:29:54AM +0000, Bob Ham wrote:
> > Yes, but the limits are still being wholly ignored. Which JVM would you
> > suggest running fred with that will respect configured memory limits?
On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 17:33 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 01:29:54AM +, Bob Ham wrote:
Yes, but the limits are still being wholly ignored. Which JVM would you
suggest running fred with that will respect configured memory limits?
What was the limit set
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:39:05PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
> > Even disregarding the
> > database, fred's memory footprint is massive.
> Negative. I was running it with a maximum memory setting of 100MB, and
> 54MB+ of that was used by the database. If the database had
xactly, requires all this memory?
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> On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:39:05PM +0000, Bob Ham wrote:
> > It's clear to see that the configured limits are wholly ignored, and by
> > significant percentages. This is a major problem.
>
> On the contrary this
:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:39:05PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
Even disregarding the
database, fred's memory footprint is massive.
Negative. I was running it with a maximum memory setting of 100MB, and
54MB+ of that was used by the database. If the database had respected
the configured setting
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 18:44 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:39:05PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
It's clear to see that the configured limits are wholly ignored, and by
significant percentages. This is a major problem.
On the contrary this is utterly irrelevant
this memory?
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rding the
database, fred's memory footprint is massive. For the functionality
that it provides, it seems to me to be excessive. I can't understand
why fred would need anything in excess of a few 10s of megabytes. Where
is this memory going?
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is massive. For the functionality
that it provides, it seems to me to be excessive. I can't understand
why fred would need anything in excess of a few 10s of megabytes. Where
is this memory going?
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On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 17:18 -0600, David Sowder (Zothar) wrote:
> I've got a commit waiting for it to come back.
I'd note it's still not up this morning, which is about three days it's
been down. Who's responsible for emu? Are they on this list?
Cheers,
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I've got a commit waiting for it to come back.
I'd note it's still not up this morning, which is about three days it's
been down. Who's responsible for emu? Are they on this list?
Cheers,
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should need to use that now anyway.
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Fixed now, thanks NextGen$.
Bob
Easy to fix though, this happens simply because it's been renamed to
wrapper-windows-x86-32.exe. So it needs renaming back or else the path in
run.cmd should be changed.
Which is best? We don't need a win64 native version of the service too do we?
Either way someone needs to fix this soon, if nobody does I will ..
Bob
, this happens simply because it's been renamed to
wrapper-windows-x86-32.exe. So it needs renaming back or else the path in
run.cmd should be changed.
Which is best? We don't need a win64 native version of the service too do we?
Either way someone needs to fix this soon, if nobody does I will ..
Bob
Fixed now, thanks NextGen$.
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or any alternate
distribution method. It's something I've been meaning to look into / fix but
I've been extremely busy for the last few weeks (and lazy / forgetful
before that).
Bob
something I've been meaning to look into / fix but
I've been extremely busy for the last few weeks SMALL(and lazy / forgetful
before that)/SMALL.
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h will handle
the datastore differently amongst numerous other big changes, so hopefully that
will fix this.
Bob
the datastore differently amongst numerous other big changes, so hopefully that
will fix this.
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hs in
install scripts etc. Obviously it would be a good idea to coordinate the release
of a new installer with the change though.
Bob
NextGen$ writes:
>
> * Bob [2005-12-15 13:06:31]:
--snip--
> > Oh I know all about 1.5's memory hoarding, believe me :) I've been
--snip--
> >
> Such a hack aren't a long-term solution :)
They're mostly rational low-memory optimisations, but I wasn't expecting to
h
NextGen$ writes:
> * Bob [2005-12-15 11:14:37]:
--snip--
> > there were recently 3 new applet privellege escalation vulnerabilities
> > publicised affecting everything less than 1.5.0 update 3.
> > Link multilined for stupid gmane filter :
> > http://se
) provided the user OK's it, therefore recommending a recent
version should save us from future issues like this.
The version currently bundled with the java-webinstaller is 1.5.0_06 and
therefore safe by the way.
Bob
the user OK's it, therefore recommending a recent
version should save us from future issues like this.
The version currently bundled with the java-webinstaller is 1.5.0_06 and
therefore safe by the way.
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NextGen$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-15 11:14:37]:
--snip--
there were recently 3 new applet privellege escalation vulnerabilities
publicised affecting everything less than 1.5.0 update 3.
Link multilined for stupid gmane filter :
http
NextGen$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-15 13:06:31]:
--snip--
Oh I know all about 1.5's memory hoarding, believe me :) I've been
--snip--
Such a hack aren't a long-term solution :)
They're mostly rational low-memory optimisations, but I wasn't expecting
--snip--
> * Bob [2005-12-02 16:34:11]:
>
> >I was thinking more along the lines of i)Turn off the
> > redirection for the time being and ii)Ask the CoralCDN people WTF is going
> > on
> > and get it working again.
--snip--
OK, this is definetely a widespr
NextGen$ writes:
> > Bob ...> writes:
> >
> > >
> > > > Is Coral Cache in general, and our Coral-ified download archive in
> > > > particular
> > > >(click "downloads" on the front page and try and get one of the
> &
Bob writes:
>
> > Is Coral Cache in general, and our Coral-ified download archive in
> > particular
> >(click "downloads" on the front page and try and get one of the
> > installers) working for anyone? For me it's *insanely* slow and high
> >
nyud.net|66.150.161.133|:8090...
at this point I gave up, there's a long pause between each one of those
attempts .. note that 25 mins have passed when it requeries in the
above example :(
Bob
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igh browser timeouts for freenet.)
Initially I couldn't even resolve it from my home connection, perhaps there's
been some sort of weird DNS update that's broken the network? There's no mention
of such a thing on any of coralcdn's list archives though.
Bob
Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is Coral Cache in general, and our Coral-ified download archive in
particular
(click downloads on the front page and try and get one of the
installers) working for anyone? For me it's *insanely* slow and high
latency right now
--snip--
Still happening
NextGen$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bob bob_j_hayes at ... writes:
Is Coral Cache in general, and our Coral-ified download archive in
particular
(click downloads on the front page and try and get one of the
installers) working for anyone? For me it's *insanely* slow
--snip--
* Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-02 16:34:11]:
I was thinking more along the lines of i)Turn off the
redirection for the time being and ii)Ask the CoralCDN people WTF is going
on
and get it working again.
--snip--
OK, this is definetely a widespread Coral problem, DNS
.)
Initially I couldn't even resolve it from my home connection, perhaps there's
been some sort of weird DNS update that's broken the network? There's no mention
of such a thing on any of coralcdn's list archives though.
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each one of those
attempts .. note that 25 mins have passed when it requeries in the
above example :(
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Ian Clarke writes:
>
> Great stuff. Can you let Matthew or Nextgens know what your
> username/password should be for subversion so that you can get write
> access? Also, can we give Bob access to emu so that he can upload
> updates to the Windows installer?
Sure, I'll do that.
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Great stuff. Can you let Matthew or Nextgens know what your
username/password should be for subversion so that you can get write
access? Also, can we give Bob access to emu so that he can upload
updates to the Windows installer?
Sure, I'll do that. I
current *unofficial* builds for
anyone who wants to test them here :
http://bob.sdf-eu.org/freenet.html
Like the page says, these aren't endorsed by the
project in any way.
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> On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 11:37:03PM +0000, Bob wrote:
--snip--
> > - seednodes.ref.zip on SF has seednodes.ref in the
> > root where it should be, on emu it's in
> > var/www/downloads/seednodes. There's presumably no
> > good reason for th
nextgens writes:
>
> Bob a ?crit :
>
> >I'm fixing the wininstallers to match the new file
> >setup on emu, but there are a couple of minor
issues.
> >
> >- freenet.exe isn't on emu yet, it's still on the
SF
> >snapshots and is pretty small but ideally
Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 11:37:03PM +, Bob wrote:
--snip--
- seednodes.ref.zip on SF has seednodes.ref in the
root where it should be, on emu it's in
var/www/downloads/seednodes. There's presumably no
good reason for this and it's breaking
current *unofficial* builds for
anyone who wants to test them here :
http://bob.sdf-eu.org/freenet.html
Like the page says, these aren't endorsed by the
project in any way.
Bob
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