On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 at 06:39:51 UTC, Marco Leise wrote:
Am Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:11:37 +
schrieb "Steve Teale" :
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in
the developing world?
Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible
to edit, compile, and
"Iain Buclaw" wrote in message
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> This will be my focus after DDMD is finished.
If that is an offer to raise pulls to GDC for all your changes, I
humbling accept anything. Though I hope you don't mind if I insist on
GCC coding co
On Thursday, 20 February 2014 at 03:11:17 UTC, Daniel Murphy
wrote:
"Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message
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I think DMD will get there eventually, but... you think it
will come as soon as the DMD 2.066 release already?? As in,
the official DMD, not a fork.
On 20 February 2014 03:13, Daniel Murphy wrote:
> "Iain Buclaw" wrote in message
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>> Someone can feel free to go through all Visitor-related pulls and
>> merge them down to GDC ahead of merging the next release itself. That
>>
"Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message news:le2s5q$2i0u$1...@digitalmars.com...
I think DMD will get there eventually, but... you think it will come as
soon as the DMD 2.066 release already?? As in, the official DMD, not a
fork. Walter and Andrei have said they are on board with that?
The exact d
"Iain Buclaw" wrote in message
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Someone can feel free to go through all Visitor-related pulls and
merge them down to GDC ahead of merging the next release itself. That
alone would relieve 90% of the god awful pain the next two rel
"Iain Buclaw" wrote in message
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Once you get past the 6 months spent re-writing 70% of the existing
gdc and ldc glue code. ;)
As the person who re-wrote the dmd glue code, I can assure you it's not
really that bad. Worst case,
On 19 February 2014 18:12, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> On 19/02/2014 16:03, Daniel Murphy wrote:
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>> "Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message news:le2i5p$28g5$1...@digitalmars.com...
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>> I know that a lot of work needs to be done before the frontend is ready
>> to be efficiently used as
On 19/02/2014 16:03, Daniel Murphy wrote:
"Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message news:le2i5p$28g5$1...@digitalmars.com...
[snip]
I know that a lot of work needs to be done before the frontend is ready
to be efficiently used as a library, but that doesn't make it impossible.
But anyways, those a
On 19 February 2014 17:16, Craig Dillabaugh wrote:
> On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:14:26 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
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>> On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
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>> A D compiler that targets JVM or Dalvik directly is my personal dream...
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On Wednesday, 19 February 2014 at 17:22:37 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
I expect any issues encountered with the other platforms to be
minor, and
hopefully switching gdc and ldc will be fairly painless too.
Once you get past the 6 months spent re-writing 70% of the
existing
gdc and ldc glue code
On 19 February 2014 16:03, Daniel Murphy wrote:
> "Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message news:le2i5p$28g5$1...@digitalmars.com...
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> I know that a lot of work needs to be done before the frontend is ready to
> be efficiently used as a library, but that doesn't make it impossible.
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On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:14:26 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
clip
Steve
A D compiler that targets JVM or Dalvik directly is my personal
dream...
I have no idea how hard this would be, but since D has a
front-end to the GN
"Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message news:le2i5p$28g5$1...@digitalmars.com...
[snip]
I know that a lot of work needs to be done before the frontend is ready to
be efficiently used as a library, but that doesn't make it impossible.
But anyways, those are secondary points actually. What I think
On 12/02/2014 13:35, Daniel Murphy wrote:
"Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message news:ldfpa7$27s3$1...@digitalmars.com...
There is not a chance in hell DMD would sucessfully be adapted for
these purposes. Maybe as fork, but not as the main stream. Even as a
fork I hardly see it happening (The Desce
Am Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:06:51 -0800
schrieb "Adam Wilson" :
> > I don't understand this at all. We wouldn't stop shipping phobos with
> > the compiler, it would just be in the format of a dub repo/several dub
> > repos instead of it's own thing.
> >
>
> I suppose as long as it's available by
Am Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:11:37 +
schrieb "Steve Teale" :
> What can be done to capture the attention of young people in the
> developing world?
>
> Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible to
> edit, compile, and run D programs on a cheap Android ARM phone.
>
> Is this
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 17:12:47 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:
For learning to program, I almost feel like getting a sandbox
set up on the web would be better. The MIT project Scratch, for
example, is fantastic for teaching programming. Unless you're
talking about teaching in locations withou
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 16:40:12 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 15:58:44 UTC, Steve Teale
wrote:
I just happen to think D is a great language!
Thats not even up for debate, D IS GREAT! The problem is just
convincing the rest of the world that it is, but thu
For learning to program, I almost feel like getting a sandbox set
up on the web would be better. The MIT project Scratch, for
example, is fantastic for teaching programming. Unless you're
talking about teaching in locations without internet
connectivity, which is an entirely different problem.
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 15:58:44 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
I just happen to think D is a great language!
Thats not even up for debate, D IS GREAT! The problem is just
convincing the rest of the world that it is, but thus is the task
of the lucky few who have seen the light.
Jokes as
On Wednesday, 12 February 2014 at 02:43:36 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
Steve
Oh I am sorry, by developing world I thought you were talking
about the world of developers, why are you interested in
getting D to the developing world? Seems kinda odd...
Because if we can't get those young men into som
Probably noting to do with D, but if D were to get into the
appropriate place firs , then ...
On Thursday, 13 February 2014 at 14:03:43 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
wrote:
On 2/12/2014 11:26 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Dalvik was replaced by ART for new Android versions
I thought ART was still just included secondary thing that
developers *can* use, but mainly just as a developer preview,
and th
On 2/12/2014 11:26 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Dalvik was replaced by ART for new Android versions
I thought ART was still just included secondary thing that developers
*can* use, but mainly just as a developer preview, and that Dalvik was
still the default.
Am 12.02.2014 05:43, schrieb Jeremy DeHaan:
On Wednesday, 12 February 2014 at 04:42:47 UTC, Jeremy DeHaan
wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:14:26 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young pe
On Wednesday, 12 February 2014 at 01:48:24 UTC, Manu wrote:
The other major hurdle is a proper parser usable for tooling.
Many are
trying to reinvent the wheel, and nothing short of the DMD
front-end itself
is really capable of properly parsing D code.
The biggest missing component I'm aware of
"Bruno Medeiros" wrote in message news:ldfpa7$27s3$1...@digitalmars.com...
There is not a chance in hell DMD would sucessfully be adapted for these
purposes. Maybe as fork, but not as the main stream. Even as a fork I
hardly see it happening (The Descent IDE went with this route but it the
se
On 10/02/2014 20:32, Adam Wilson wrote:
Not having an IDE is more tangential, but no less important. Here we
have two integrations with popular IDE's, Visual Studio and Mono.
However, these integrations suffer from the lack of tooling for D. DMD
can't be used as libary, so these integrations have
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 20:12:16 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 17:37:17 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
You hijacked my topic and converted it into the usual
arguments about lack of infrastructure for D.
I'm talking about guys and girls who don't have a computer,
let alon
On Wednesday, 12 February 2014 at 04:42:47 UTC, Jeremy DeHaan
wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:14:26 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in
the developing world?
Probably the
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:14:26 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in
the developing world?
Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible
to edit, compile, a
"Manu" wrote in message
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On 11 February 2014 05:03, Tofu Ninja wrote:
The other major hurdle is a proper parser usable for tooling. Many are
trying to reinvent the wheel, and nothing short of the DMD front-end
itself is really c
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 17:37:17 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 19:03:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
I am only 20 and am still in university so I feel like I can
answer this with at least my own experiences. Personally I
think D would capture the attention of more yo
On 11 February 2014 05:03, Tofu Ninja wrote:
> On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
>
>> What can be done to capture the attention of young people in the
>> developing world?
>>
>> Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible to edit,
>> compile, and r
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 17:37:17 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
You hijacked my topic and converted it into the usual arguments
about lack of infrastructure for D.
I'm talking about guys and girls who don't have a computer, let
alone C#. They just have a cheap smart phone that maybe they
suc
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 17:40:29 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 11:00:18 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 05:03:29 UTC, Mike Parker
wrote:
The most important thing for newbies, either new to the
language or new to programming, is "instant gr
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 11:00:18 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 05:03:29 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
The most important thing for newbies, either new to the
language or new to programming, is "instant gratification". If
it compiles and works, people are more likely to
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 19:03:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
I am only 20 and am still in university so I feel like I can
answer this with at least my own experiences. Personally I
think D would capture the attention of more young people if it
was simply easier to use. The first "real" langu
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 05:03:29 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
You're greatly underestimating just how easy dub makes
developing with D.
I have to say that dub is a great tool. I remember the times when
I had to copy files to /usr/bin/ etc. and would still wonder why
the compiler complain
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 04:29:22 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:
I don't know if I can express how strongly I disagree with that
sentiment. I don't use dub, I don't really want to use dub, and
I am virtually certain that the whole concept of using dub is a
going to make newbie acceptance much
"Adam Wilson" wrote in message
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To be honest I haven't been following it closely as I've been buried in
work projects and Aurora. It would be awesome if that came sometime later
this year. We badly need those capabilities, and I imagine that hacking
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 04:29:22 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:
I don't know if I can express how strongly I disagree with that
sentiment. I don't use dub, I don't really want to use dub, and
I am virtually certain that the whole concept of using dub is a
going to make newbie acceptance much
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:58:04 -0800, Daniel Murphy
wrote:
"Adam Wilson" wrote in message
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Building a new IDE won't solve this problem. Here we need to focus on
building better tools for D, turning DMD itself into a library or
Compiler-as-a-Servi
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 04:29:22 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:
[snip]
If anything Phobos needs to get bigger and increase the
coverage standard available functionality. We can talk about
improvements to reduce module dependencies, and improve layout,
design, and code quality, but none of th
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:07:50 -0800, Daniel Murphy
wrote:
"Adam Wilson" wrote in message
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To be honest I haven't been following it closely as I've been buried in
work projects and Aurora. It would be awesome if that came sometime
later this y
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:03:28 -0800, Mike Parker wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 04:29:22 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:
I don't know if I can express how strongly I disagree with that
sentiment. I don't use dub, I don't really want to use dub, and I am
virtually certain that the whole conc
"Adam Wilson" wrote in message news:op.xa21zpux707...@invictus.hra.local...
Building a new IDE won't solve this problem. Here we need to focus on
building better tools for D, turning DMD itself into a library or
Compiler-as-a-Service in the current lingo, since libraries are now
"services". D n
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 19:40:46 UTC, MattCoder wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:14:26 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
A D compiler that targets JVM or Dalvik directly is my
personal dream...
Mine too!
Same here. Mobile platforms are immensely important. If you can't
cater for them,
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 20:32:03 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment, although I am a
little older and got my start in a combination of VB6 and C++98.
Same for me when I first started learning to program. I did a VB6
course in highschool, followed by a Jav
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in
the developing world?
What young people and how young exactly? It is a very varying
crowd..
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:03:19 -0800, Tofu Ninja wrote:
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in the
developing world?
Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible to edit,
compile, and run
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in
the developing world?
Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible
to edit, compile, and run D programs on a cheap Android ARM
phone.
Is this within
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 19:03:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
tldr; Tools suck, documentation sucks, std lib is small and no
std GUI lib...
I do agree to a certain degree.
std lib is not really that small, but sure it is never enough.
Lack of std GUI lib, I honestly I'm perfectly fine with it.
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:14:26 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
A D compiler that targets JVM or Dalvik directly is my personal
dream...
Mine too!
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in
the developing world?
Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible
to edit, compile, and run D programs on a cheap Android ARM
phone.
Is this within
On Monday, 10 February 2014 at 18:11:38 UTC, Steve Teale wrote:
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in
the developing world?
Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible
to edit, compile, and run D programs on a cheap Android ARM
phone.
Is this within
What can be done to capture the attention of young people in the
developing world?
Probably the most effective thing would be if it were possible to
edit, compile, and run D programs on a cheap Android ARM phone.
Is this within the bounds of possibility?
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