to read my blog post
announcing it, but if you want to skip the prose and go
straight to the good stuff, here's the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n
the prose and go straight to the
good stuff, here's the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
Wow, we got more than 500
the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
Wow, we got more than 500 responses so far. A huge thank you
already
On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 14:24:42 UTC, Johannes Loher wrote:
Is there a way to directly view the results without taking the
survey again?
https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig
stuff, here's
> the survey link:
>
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
>
> The blog:
> https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
>
> Reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
>
Is there a way to directly view the results without taking the survey again?
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 21:12:30 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
D just doesn't follow semver. If it did, we would have D79 now,
nothing else even comes close to this. And I suspect it won't
adopt semver because major number would be so ridiculously high
and will advertize something else.
On Monday, 5 March 2018 at 20:52:10 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
I do not see your reasoning here. Has the core D computational
model changed? I think not.
Major number per semver increases when interface changes, D does
it pretty often, it is the fastest moving language I know.
Does D issue
On Sun, 2018-03-04 at 21:12 +, Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 12:01:33 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> > So having D2.999 is fine per se, but advertises a lack of
> > change and a lack of ambition since the language name is D not
> > D2.
>
> D just
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 18:52:36 UTC, Martin Tschierschke
wrote:
What about trying to start an own "D Exchange"? I like the
possibility to vote for good questions and answers. There are
many gems inside the forum, but not so easy to find as in the
stack exchange based forums.
That
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 18:52:36 UTC, Martin Tschierschke
wrote:
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 17:26:50 UTC, bauss wrote:
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 15:13:28 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
But seriously, Stack overflow is a reputation-based system,
it very hostile from the very start, when you don't have
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 17:26:50 UTC, bauss wrote:
It's also very strict and probably have of the posts within
Learn here wouldn't be allowed there.
It's the most hilarious aspect. Apparently questions about design
don't belong there. As if the moderators don't even know about
the
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 12:01:33 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
So having D2.999 is fine per se, but advertises a lack of
change and a lack of ambition since the language name is D not
D2.
D just doesn't follow semver. If it did, we would have D79 now,
nothing else even comes close to this.
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 17:26:50 UTC, bauss wrote:
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 15:13:28 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
But seriously, Stack overflow is a reputation-based system, it
very hostile from the very start, when you don't have enough
reputation for pretty much everything, and SO vehemently
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 15:13:28 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
But seriously, Stack overflow is a reputation-based system, it
very hostile from the very start, when you don't have enough
reputation for pretty much everything, and SO vehemently nags
you about this on every possible occasion, even
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 17:26:50 UTC, bauss wrote:
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 15:13:28 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
But seriously, Stack overflow is a reputation-based system, it
very hostile from the very start, when you don't have enough
reputation for pretty much everything, and SO vehemently
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 at 15:13:28 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
But seriously, Stack overflow is a reputation-based system, it
very hostile from the very start [...]
Very true.
But seriously, Stack overflow is a reputation-based system, it
very hostile from the very start, when you don't have enough
reputation for pretty much everything, and SO vehemently nags you
about this on every possible occasion, even baiting you to use
functionality only to later tell that you
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
I might have overseen it, but in the survey I missed the feature
"being able to allocate withing @nogc-CTFE-functions". Some
people want to promote a @nogc library and they cant use
On Sat, 2018-03-03 at 16:06 +, Dmitry Olshansky via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Saturday, 3 March 2018 at 15:52:02 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> > […]
> >
> > http://www.intropsych.com/ch06_memory/magical_number_seven.html
>
> Won’t load for me(
How annoying. Definitely works for me
On Saturday, 3 March 2018 at 15:52:02 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Sat, 2018-03-03 at 13:51 +, Dmitry Olshansky via
Digitalmars-d- announce wrote:
[…]
O.T.: Which is a well known number when it comes to cognition.
It’s usually 7+-2.
A number that is often misunderstood, and misused. As
On Sat, 2018-03-03 at 13:51 +, Dmitry Olshansky via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> […]
>
> O.T.: Which is a well known number when it comes to cognition.
> It’s usually 7+-2.
A number that is often misunderstood, and misused. As in this case.
On Saturday, 3 March 2018 at 01:59:15 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 12:20:31 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
And if you like C so much, what are you doing in a safe
systems programming language forum?
How safe is D.. i mean really ;-)
and why do people ask me that
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 12:20:31 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
And if you like C so much, what are you doing in a safe systems
programming language forum?
How safe is D.. i mean really ;-)
and why do people ask me that question.. I don't get it.
I program (or try to) in as many languages as
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 13:05:58 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
Science, in and of itself, cannot be dodgy.
science must involve humans, and humans are often dodgy.
Yes there are debates to be had, cf. Popper, Kuhn, etc. but the
foundation of science is hypotheses, experimentation, and
That's a much nicer way of saying what I was trying to get across. :-)
Early respondents to a lengthy survey about D usage are not necessarily a
good representation of the more casual user's needs for the language.
--bb
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 1:49 PM, Jonathan M Davis via
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 13:05:58 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
Usually, but then an [OFF-TOPIC] marker gets added in the
thread when a drift occurs.
Which is pretty much meaningless when using the web client,
because it has a linear non-threaded history by default :)
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 12:16 +, psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 12:02:43 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> > On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 11:52 +, Russel Winder wrote:
> > > […]
> > > report science, does make science dodgy. But that stray off
> > > topic
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 11:16:51 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 10:21:05 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
...continue with C in the face of overwhelming evidence
it is the wrong thing to do.
yeah, the health fanatics who promote their crap to goverments
and insurance
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 12:02:43 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 11:52 +, Russel Winder wrote:
[…]
report science, does make science dodgy. But that stray off
topic for
[…]
s/does/does not/
Obviously. :-)
mmm...freudian slip??
I study science...and what's being
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 11:52 +, Russel Winder wrote:
> […]
> report science, does make science dodgy. But that stray off topic for
[…]
s/does/does not/
Obviously. :-)
--
Russel.
==
Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200
41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 04:00 -0700, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> […]
>
> In any case, I expect that anyone who wants D3 is going to have a
> very hard
> time convincing Walter and Andrei that such large breaking changes
> would be
> worth it at this point.
I am happy to
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 11:16 +, psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 10:21:05 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> >
> > ...continue with C in the face of overwhelming evidence
> > it is the wrong thing to do.
>
> yeah, the health fanatics who promote their
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 11:00:09 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
In any case, I expect that anyone who wants D3 is going to have
a very hard time convincing Walter and Andrei that such large
breaking changes would be worth it at this point.
- Jonathan M Davis
I agree. I don't think there is
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 10:21:05 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
...continue with C in the face of overwhelming evidence
it is the wrong thing to do.
yeah, the health fanatics who promote their crap to goverments
and insurance agencies, use very similar arguments about sugar,
salt, alchohol,
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 10:21:05 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
[…]
There are those who use C because the only other option is
assembly language, so they make the right decision. This is an
indicator that high-level language toolchain manufacturers have
failed to port to their platform. I'll
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 02:35 +, Meta via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> […]
> D1 -> D2 nearly killed D (can't remember which, but it was either
> Walter or Andrei that have said this on multiple occasions). A D2
> -> D3 transition might generate a lot of publicity if done very
> carefully,
Whilst we are espousing opinions…
On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 08:02 +, Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 04:38:24 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
> > […]
> >
> > You can write pretty safe code in C these days, without too
> > much trouble. We have the tooling
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 04:38:24 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 03:57:25 UTC, barry.harris wrote:
Sorry little rabbit, your are misguided in this belief. Back
in day we all used C and this is the reason most "safer"
languages exist today.
You can write pretty
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 02:35:46 UTC, Meta wrote:
D1 -> D2 nearly killed D (can't remember which, but it was
either Walter or Andrei that have said this on multiple
occasions).
This gets repeated over and over again, but I haven't actually
seen any evidence for it.
But even if it is
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 03:57:25 UTC, barry.harris wrote:
Sorry little rabbit, your are misguided in this belief. Back in
day we all used C and this is the reason most "safer" languages
exist today.
You can write pretty safe code in C these days, without too much
trouble. We have the
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 02:35:46 UTC, Meta wrote:
D1 -> D2 nearly killed D (can't remember which, but it was
either Walter or Andrei that have said this on multiple
occasions). A D2 -> D3 transition might generate a lot of
publicity if done very carefully, but more than likely it would
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 02:34:23 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 02:02:42 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
btw. I never said 'stop changing', I said "I wish programming
languages would just stop changing so often."
I'd also argue, that languages that are relatively
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 00:39:08 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
On Thursday, 1 March 2018 at 21:49:31 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
That being said, I think that it's a given that we need to
make breaking changes at least occasionally. The question is
more how big they can be and how we go
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 02:02:42 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote:
btw. I never said 'stop changing', I said "I wish programming
languages would just stop changing so often."
I'd also argue, that languages that are relatively stable, are
far 'safer' than languages that constantly change.
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 01:19:53 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Because it has not stopped changing. To wit:
K C (1978)
C89 / C90 / ANSI C (1989-1990)
The 1995 amendment to ANSI C (1995)
C99 (1999)
(Embedded C (2008))
C11 (2011)
T
btw. I never
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:57:22AM +, psychoticRabbit via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 00:53:02 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:39:08AM +, psychoticRabbit via
> > Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: [...]
> > > On the otherhand, I wish
On Friday, 2 March 2018 at 00:53:02 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:39:08AM +, psychoticRabbit via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: [...]
On the otherhand, I wish programming languages would just stop
changing so often.
[...]
Change is inevitable, except from a vending
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 12:39:08AM +, psychoticRabbit via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[...]
> On the otherhand, I wish programming languages would just stop
> changing so often.
[...]
Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. :-P
The day a language stops changing is the day it
On Thursday, 1 March 2018 at 21:49:31 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
That being said, I think that it's a given that we need to make
breaking changes at least occasionally. The question is more
how big they can be and how we go about it. Some changes would
clearly be far too large to be worth
On Thursday, March 01, 2018 13:24:29 Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> Just don't overlook the fact that people who fill out 30 minute surveys
> right away after being told about them are a self-selected group of people
> who apparently have way too much time on their hands.
> Which
Ok, I have same feeling, but after trying to fill this survey with one of
my colleague, I have find out that it takes "only" 15 minutes to complete.
But still I thing almost everyone from our field is OK with filling surveys
anyway.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Bill Baxter via
On Thursday, 1 March 2018 at 21:24:29 UTC, Bill Baxter wrote:
Just don't overlook the fact that people who fill out 30 minute
surveys
right away after being told about them are a self-selected
group of people
who apparently have way too much time on their hands.
Which also suggests they would
Just don't overlook the fact that people who fill out 30 minute surveys
right away after being told about them are a self-selected group of people
who apparently have way too much time on their hands.
Which also suggests they would likely also have more free time to go chase
down and fix breaks in
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:37:36 UTC, Seb wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:24:00 UTC, JN wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:01:16 UTC, Seb wrote:
Thanks! I hope so too!
Is there some way to access the results without retaking the
survey?
Yeah the link
On Wed, 2018-02-28 at 13:41 +, Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few
> of the core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put
> together. He thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use
> in order to
On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 12:07:16AM -0700, Jonathan M Davis via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
[...]
> > WTF spaces!!! O_O
>
> Don't you mean "WTF tabs!!!"? ;)
Meh. :-D
T
--
Making non-nullable pointers is just plugging one hole in a cheese grater. --
Walter Bright
tions were tweaked, and then
> > it was ready to roll.
> >
> > Of course I would love for you to read my blog post announcing it, but
> > if
> > you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good stuff, here's the
> > survey link:
> >
> > https://seb134.
, but if
> you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good stuff, here's the
> survey link:
>
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
>
> The blog:
> https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
>
> Reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/d_languag
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 19:31:27 Cym13 via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> - some questions introduce clear bias as they don't have a clear
> default exit path.
Similarly, some of them seem to make the assumption that a problem makes it
so that you don't want to use D (e.g. it talks
the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
Done! Great initiative!
I'm glad to see how things are moving in DLang recently
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:24:00 UTC, JN wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:01:16 UTC, Seb wrote:
Thanks! I hope so too!
Is there some way to access the results without retaking the
survey?
Yeah the link TypeForm generates at the end is permanent:
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:01:16 UTC, Seb wrote:
Thanks! I hope so too!
Is there some way to access the results without retaking the
survey?
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 19:31:27 UTC, Cym13 wrote:
If that were to be done again here are a few points that I'd
improve:
- there are many occurences of open questions where I entered a
text only to find that the next fixed-choice question was about
what I had written. I therefore
the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
Submitted, though I think it's a good idea to create a library
that take
the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
If that were to be done again here are a few points that I'd
improve
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 05:56:29PM +, Seb via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 17:42:29 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> >
> > I can't access the survey. It causes my browser to hang at 100% CPU
> > because of some JS issues, and it doesn't work without JS.
>
> Not
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 17:42:29 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I can't access the survey. It causes my browser to hang at
100% CPU because of some JS issues, and it doesn't work without
JS.
Not that's not a bug, but a feature (aka filter) ;-)
No seriously, this shouldn't happen
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 01:41:56PM +, Mike Parker via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few of
> the core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put together.
> He thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use in order
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 14:53:23 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
If you ask about tabs vs spaces but not Emacs vs vi, nobody
will take the language seriously. And why are there no
questions about beards?
I thought one "fun" question is enough. Maybe next year we get
more creative ;-)
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 15:07:51 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker
wrote:
[snip]
A few comments
1) How about an N/A or does not apply option?
You can simply skip the questions. All questions are optional.
2) The progress bar was
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 15:51:58 UTC, JN wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker
wrote:
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
I think posting it to /r/programming might give it more views.
I had no idea
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
I think posting it to /r/programming might give it more views. I
had no idea /r/d_language even existed.
On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
[snip]
A few comments
1) How about an N/A or does not apply option?
2) The progress bar was weird, I went from 80% done to 57% done
at one point.
the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
If you ask about tabs vs spaces but not Emacs vs vi, nobody will
take
the survey link:
https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
The blog:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
I wonder whether or not I should ask my (non-dlang) colleagues to
take
s were tweaked, and then it was ready to roll.
> >
> > Of course I would love for you to read my blog post announcing
> > it, but if you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good
> > stuff, here's the survey link:
> >
> > https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
&
p the prose and go straight to the good
> stuff, here's the survey link:
>
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
>
> The blog:
> https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
>
> Reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_st
:
https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/
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