For the love of god, (just an expression)
Will everyone please stop !!
Over night I have received over 80 messages regarding this conflict. It is
beyond a joke surely.
I must admit that I haven't even read all the messages, but come on folks.
This is getting out of hand.
ROS
I see you have not idea waht is the meaning of Spread spectrum.
Spread spectrum reduce energy density.
De: John B. Stephensen kd6...@comcast.net
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: mié,24 febrero, 2010 03:55
Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS
My DELETE button HAS been getting a workout this week... ;-)
Wes W1LIC
From: Toby Burnett ruff...@hebrides.net
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 4:48:34 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
For
Dear Jose,
It is very simple:
1. You are the designer of ROS, and you say ROS is Spread Spectrum.
2. FCC says 'The ROS designer says ROS is Spread Spectrum' so we believe this
is true.
3. Spread Spectrum is not allowed below 222MHz for USA hams by FCC Rules.
4. Hams in USA must follow FCC
Not true according to Shannon. Using an independent code is a means to an
end in the digital domain but is not an absolute as far a the theory goes.
This is an example why we need to keep lawyers and government as far away
from the hobby as possible.
From: KH6TY kh...@comcast.net
Reply-To:
The greatest danger for Ham Radio is turning it into a Museum. From 100years
ago it was an important part of tecnology development, and starters of
Broadcasters.
Since the age of PC most youngsters dived into PC - Internet- Cellphones- so
called Social forums etc.
We need to go on developing
Based on a lot of testing abt 90s with som fellow hams using KAM (e+) we found
Gtor making good speed when good conds. But pactor1 proved more robust. 80m
during night.
The most easy mode to make a link with again and again was AMTOR, because of
its very short call. But plenty of errors during
All,
The T-index is derived from data taken from ionosondes in both hemispheres.
Notice the rise in the T-index since the beginning of February 2010. Big change
compared to the entire year of 2009. The upper HF bands have certainly come
allive.
http://www.ips.gov.au/HF_Systems/7/2
Tony
¡¡Has been detected an important bug in the software !! Please, download
latest version.
¡So before you could see the tones clearly but you could not decode anything!
Fixed.
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:20:26 -0500, you wrote:
I have seen something similar to this, I think, in DM780, when using Olivia
mode. The previous QSO , or the tail end of it, is displayed back.
Andy K3UK
It is not a mode-dependent problem, it is some bug in the underlying
software routines that
Up to 1-9-1 but dont see sound card select ? is there a way yet ?
Tnx - G ..
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Barry Murrell ZS2EZ mailgro...@...
wrote:
Hi Jose
Any indication when selectable soundcards will become a reality?
So far unable to try ROS out here, as I use
graham787 wrote:
Up to 1-9-1 but dont see sound card select ? is there a way yet ?
No, not yet. You still have to set the sound card that you want to use
as the Windows default sound card.
Jose, the program owner and developer, has said that he intends to add
the option to select the
Welcome to the machine as Mr(pink) floyd would say :)
G ..
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland saa...@... wrote:
Hi John
Thanks for your nice and personality mail. Although I do not think I am
the biggest spammer in the group ,
I will try to remember deleting post
Tnx , Dave .. looks like lots of new issues .. some even qra based .. wonder
if a narrow band vesrsion would loose the s/n edge . would be good for MF
as the whole band is only 3 KHz wide and most are limited to 100 hz
G ..
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ackrill
A member of this group contacted the FCC, got a ruling, and published it here.
Just remember that you have no legal defense if the FCC decides to take action.
I keep replying to this stuff because some members of this group could led
others into losing their licenses.
73,
John
KD6OZH
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SS reduces the power spectral density but not the total power per bit for a
given error rate.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: jose alberto nieto ros
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:03 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio]
Actually, I'd like to have the regulations changed. However, the more that
amateurs ignore existing regulations the less the FCC will trust us. The SS
restriction is one of the few provisions that the FCC actually cares about.
They have given a legal opinion and can monitor this mailing list to
I agree,
and wager 6 months from now hardly anyone will be using ROS. And for those who
say im gonna use it regardless of the FCC reply, well go ahead, start saving
for your fine.
73 Buddy WB4M
For the love of god, (just an expression)
Will everyone please stop
On 02/22/2010 09:09 PM, Dave 'Doc' Corio wrote:
However, there is one thing the tuner will NOT do. It will not remember
any band or frequency, until the transmitter is keyed.
For example: I operate CW on 14.035 for a period of time. I then have a
CW sked on 18.075. After the sked I move back
On 02/23/2010 06:14 PM, jose alberto nieto ros wrote:
John, the only person in the world who know what is ROS is the person
who have created it. And the creator say that ROS is a FSK of 144 tones
with a Viterbi FEC Coder and a header of synchronization.
Last week, you said that ROS was spread
Discussion of ROS' legality was allowed to continue because of the
news from ARRL and FCC. The topic will be closed as of 25/2/10 at
1200 UTC. Get you final say in on the issue , if you wish. After
that, leave the topic alone for a while.
Andy K3UK
Andy
Asking a lawyer is the last person you would ask for technical advice. Try
asking an engineer not a lawyer.
Bob, AA8X
- Original Message -
From: Rik van Riel
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:05:36 -, obrienaj k3uka...@gmail.com said:
In the few ROS 16 and ROS 1 tests that I have dome so far...
ROS 16 seems similar to Olivia 8/1000 , good performance but perhaps a
not quite as good as Olivia under QRM or deep fades.
ROS 1 , not as good as JT65A in
Jose wrote:
if anywant know about ROS protocol is Jose Alberto Nieto Ros
Hi Jose,
Do you plan to publish documentation of a non-Spread Spectrum version of ROS
mode?
Examples of public documentation:
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/techchar/
Best Wishes,
Bonnie Crystal KQ6XA
I recently downloaded WSJT7. When I start it, it immediately stops and the
Windows Error dialog box opens saying, WSJT7.EXE has encountered a problem and
needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. It goes on to ask if I
want to report the problem to Microsoft.
I am running XP Home
A lawyer with an engineering degree would be the best person to interpret FCC
regulations. The ARRL has engineers and lawyers and deals with the FCC so they
are the best source of free advice in the U.S.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Bob John
To:
Hi Bonnie, i saw in the first place of that list: Chip 64 explaining
clearly that Chip 64 is Spread Spectrum.
Then, what have to say ARRL about it ? They are publishing a SS in his own
officcial website. Somebody can explain me what happen here?
De:
think I lost your id number in icq... clicked to fast...
73
Wolfgang, dl7nb
www.dx-buddy.net
Am 25.02.2010 um 00:30 schrieb jose alberto nieto ros:
Hi Bonnie, i saw in the first place of that list: Chip 64 explaining
clearly that Chip 64 is Spread Spectrum.
Then, what have to say
I don't understand what you say?
De: Wolfgang dl7nb dl...@gmx.de
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,25 febrero, 2010 00:40
Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Is ROS Documentation Published?
think I lost your id number in icq... clicked to fast...
73
CHIP64 is legal above 222 MHz -- they're assuming that the user will notice
that it's spread-spectrum and act accordingly.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: jose alberto nieto ros
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 23:30 UTC
And ROS is legal because is not a SS modulation.
De: John B. Stephensen kd6...@comcast.net
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,25 febrero, 2010 00:47
Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Is ROS Documentation Published?
CHIP64 is legal above 222 MHz --
ooops , sorry the mouse was faster than the brain
pse ignore the post
73
Wolfgang, dl7nb
www.dx-buddy.net
Am 25.02.2010 um 00:43 schrieb jose alberto nieto ros:
I don't understand what you say?
De: Wolfgang dl7nb dl...@gmx.de
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,25
The 4th option is to join Army Mars where the FCC is not involved.
I have had a few more days to test it and watch how it does in QRM. Same
impressions, a good mode but not offering substantially more than the other
well known modes. In a couple of specific tests, Olivia 500-128 did better
than ROS 1.
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Stelios Bounanos
Does not believe that even you, Andy.
I know you are a special interest ROS dont was used, i dont know why.
De: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,25 febrero, 2010 00:58
Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] ROS impressions so
As i know it is about 2.5khz wide . so a normal ssb filter would work .
but do not use a narrow ssb filter
Dg9bfc
Sigi
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Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] Im
Auftrag von jose alberto nieto ros
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Februar 2010 10:21
An:
You are right
De: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,25 febrero, 2010 01:19
Asunto: AW: [digitalradio] ROS Advantage?
As i know it is about 2.5khz wide … so a “normal” ssb filter would work …
A published technical specification proving that it is not SS and meets all
other requirements in the FCC regulations will allow use below 222 MHz in the
U.S. The FCC requires the published specification to allow use of any RTTY or
data mode on any frequency. Non-use of SS is just an additional
Incorrect Jose. I have used it, and havw made special efforts to get other
to use t on my web page
http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/sked.php?page=digitalswitch=1
Example, see below.. all my efforts to help people...
MM/DD UTC
02/23 16:03 *KQ7W m...@mats4d.com* 5r8kh copied me.. nice dx
02/23
Andy, as you note we have problems with old versions thats days. Software did
not start decode. I expect you began to do test with this new version.
Perhaps, you will change of opinion.
De: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com
Para: nietoro...@yahoo.es
CC:
Hi,
I have made a routine to send emails.
i need somebody want to tester and i will send you the file. You need have a
mail server, like Outlook or similar.
Thanks
I have send you an email
De: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,25 febrero, 2010 01:59
Asunto: AW: [digitalradio] ROS routine help
Here … me me me ….dg9bfc
(call) at freenet dot de
John B. Stephensen wrote:
A lawyer with an engineering degree would be the best person
to interpret FCC regulations. The ARRL has engineers and lawyers and
deals with the FCC so they are the best source of free advice in the U.S.
No disrespect intended to the ARRL tech leads, but I'm
Please download the latest version.
I wonder what the latest is in the state of art scanning of the VHF and UHF
bands. What digital modes and sued and what are the modern scanners up to
these days ?
Andy K3UK
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