On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 10:52 -0800, Carl Symons wrote:
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Olivier Hallot
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
snip
I clicked on the list of events link on
http://www.documentfoundation.org/. There are several events listed
for North America. Would
Hi Ian,
...
And they are not equal. That's my problem with it at the moment.
I don't really understand how this democratic-meritocratic principle
works. And what you explain below with Microsoft, for me it is not
meritocratic or democratic that's an ethical aspect.
Democracy means that
Johannes, all,
Le Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:34:42 +0100,
Johannes A. Bodwing jo...@arcor.de a écrit :
Hi Ian,
...
And they are not equal. That's my problem with it at the moment.
I don't really understand how this democratic-meritocratic
principle works. And what you explain below with
I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread
OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no
need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the
principle of using ODF and open source formats.
LibreOffice needs to rise above this
On 1/3/11 7:38 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote:
Where can I read it? Is it in the next decade manifesto?
http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00016.html
And they are not equal. That's my problem with it at the moment.
I don't really understand how this
El 30/12/10 11:27, Larry Gusaas escribió:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary
format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open
source
Hi Italo,
On 1/3/11 7:38 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote:
Where can I read it? Is it in the next decade manifesto?
http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00016.html
Thanks for the Link. - And I could ask the next questions, but I save it
for later.
I try to get it
On 3 January 2011 15:14, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/3/11 7:38 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote:
Where can I read it? Is it in the next decade manifesto?
http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00016.html
And they are not equal. That's my problem
On 30/12/10 20:19, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary
format. To do so is contrary to
Dear Larry,
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of English skills. I'm not
native English speaking so if the words are a little clumpsy, please
bear with me :-)
I disagree with you of two reasons:
1) LibreOffice is free software. If any developer wants to improve the
code - he or she has
Hi Leif,
Dear Larry,
...
I disagree with you of two reasons:
1) LibreOffice is free software. If any developer wants to improve the
code - he or she has the freedom to do so. I think this is one very
important stand. We have seen other products in the marked licensed as
open source but that are
Hi Johannes, *,
Am Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011, 19:30:31 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing:
Hi Leif,
Dear Larry,
...
I disagree with you of two reasons:
1) LibreOffice is free software. If any developer wants to improve the
code - he or she has the freedom to do so. I think this is one very
Hi Andreas,
Hi Johannes, *,
Am Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011, 19:30:31 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing:
Hi Leif,
Dear Larry,
...
I disagree with you of two reasons:
1) LibreOffice is free software. If any developer wants to improve the
code - he or she has the freedom to do so. I think this is one
Hi Johannes, *,
Am Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011, 21:36:20 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing:
Hi Andreas,
Hi Johannes, *,
(...)
But you yourself had to decide first, what you want to contribute to
which community (OOo or LO). We need people who are doing the daily
work. We need not another mega-
Hi Andreas,
... Hi Johannes, *,
Am Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011, 21:36:20 schrieb Johannes A. Bodwing:
Hi Andreas,
Hi Johannes, *,
(...)
But you yourself had to decide first, what you want to contribute to
which community (OOo or LO). We need people who are doing the daily
work. We need not
I've been reading through this discussion (as much as possible), and there
is one thing that that I don't understand.
Why do we have so many people complaining about LO writing in the .docx
format but nobody (that I've seen) is complaining about the .doc format?
Both are Microsoft formats, but
On 1/2/11 9:36 PM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote:
What's the basis for the developers to make decisions? Where can I find
that information?
Developers will base their decisions on several information, and also on
positive contribution by the community. Emails where people say that
LibreOffice
As many already said, OOXML r/w support is already there, if you don't like
it, then develop a way to disable it. Someone already developed it, and
that's why it is there already.
Why can anyone think that they can remove any functionality that is already
there?
It is a pain in th a... to do
On 1/2/11 11:07 PM, Jason Corfman wrote:
Why do we have so many people complaining about LO writing in the .docx
format but nobody (that I've seen) is complaining about the .doc format?
Both are Microsoft formats, but the docx format is a lot closer to being an
open standard. (Notice, I said it
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Jason Corfman jkco...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been reading through this discussion (as much as possible), and there
is one thing that that I don't understand.
Why do we have so many people complaining about LO writing in the .docx
format but nobody (that I've
On 1/3/11 12:48 AM, Carl Symons wrote:
Italo's statement of a philosophy of FOR is exactly right IMHO.
Thanks, this philosophy is the guiding principle of our marketing
strategy. In Italy (I apologize for mentioning often what we have done
here) we have got to the point of issuing a press
On 31 December 2010 17:04, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (31-12-10 13:14)
On 31/12/10 09:30, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF
format for opening and saving documents now.
So does 2007 SP2 as
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Olivier Hallot
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
snip
The Go-oo homepage also says Going forward, the Go-oo project will be
discontinued in favor of LibreOffice. Does that mean that LibreOffice
is driven by Novell too?
I wouldn't put in that
On 01/01/2011 07:52 PM, Carl Symons wrote:
I clicked on the list of events link on
http://www.documentfoundation.org/. There are several events listed
for North America. Would TDF consider being at LinuxFest Northwest in
Bellingham, 4/30 5/1? There will be an official call for papers in
early
On Dec 30, 2010, at 18:27 , Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format.
There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is
contrary to the principle of using ODF and open
Yes. Take a stand for inclusivity. :-)
On Jan 1, 2011 6:02 PM, James Wilde wilde.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 30, 2010, at 18:27 , Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no
On 1/1/2011 5:01 PM, James Wilde wrote:
On Dec 30, 2010, at 18:27 , Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format.
There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is
contrary to
I disagree. LibreOffice isn't being developed as a political tool. It
is supposed to be useful in the modern office. Many of us have clients
and co-workers who use proprietary office formats, and we need to be
able to communicate with those folks. If I get an RFP in Office 10
format, I have to be
FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF
format for opening and saving documents now.
On 12/31/10 1:12 AM, BRM wrote:
- Original Message
From: Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com
snip
We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is
quickly
On 30/12/10 20:23, RGB ES wrote:
2010/12/30 Gordon Burgess-Parkergbpli...@gmail.com:
OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by
default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid
That means nothing. MSOffice will be able to read the previous formats
for a
On 30/12/10 21:07, Carl Symons wrote:
Any file format would still be accessible to read. If someone sends
you a docx file, you will be able to open it. You can send a .doc (no
x; no OOXML) file back to to them; they will be able to read it with
their MS application.
Two comments on that. OOXML
Þann fös 31.des 2010 01:28, skrifaði Wolf Halton:
I have to use office2007 at work and I watch hundreds of core users (college
students) struggle with my formatting requirements for homework assignments.
Most of these are using the company-supplied computers, with office 2007,
most of the time.
On 31/12/10 09:30, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF
format for opening and saving documents now.
So does 2007 SP2 as well. However in 2007 the opening of ods documents
has deliberately broken formulaedon't know whether they've
On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary
format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open
source
2010/12/31 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
And BTW, the latest Open Office ALSO supports writing to OOXML format...
As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and
300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX
formats.
Maybe you are using some
On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote:
As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and
300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX
formats.
Maybe you are using some go-oo derivative, but oracle's OOo do not
support writing to those formats, not even the
Ubuntu's (and openSUSE's and sabayon's and...) OOo is go-oo, not oracle's OOo.
2010/12/31 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote:
As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and
300m95 running here and none of them support writing to
On 31/12/10 13:21, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote:
As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and
300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX
formats.
Maybe you are using some go-oo derivative, but oracle's OOo do not
On 31/12/10 13:23, RGB ES wrote:
Ubuntu's (and openSUSE's and sabayon's and...) OOo is go-oo, not oracle's OOo.
So that's why it says ORACLE on the OO splash screen then
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On 30 December 2010 20:19, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary
It says oracle (based on oracle to be precise) because most of the
code is copyrighted by oracle. Please, google a bit, it does not
hurt...
2010/12/31 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
On 31/12/10 13:23, RGB ES wrote:
Ubuntu's (and openSUSE's and sabayon's and...) OOo is go-oo, not
Hi,
On 31/12/2010 16:27, RGB ES wrote:
It says oracle (based on oracle to be precise) because most of the
code is copyrighted by oracle. Please, google a bit, it does not
hurt...
Both of you are right. In fact, it's the official version plus some
go-oo patches. So you get a mix of the two
Sorry for stepping in so late in the discussion.
I have seen many messages, but they all miss the key issue:
interoperability.
TDF is FOR interoperability, which is a user (and a market) need.
TDF is not AGAINST Microsoft, although many of its founding members -
including myself - have been
If I may inject what I hope is a little sense into this argument:-
A major strength of Open Office is and always was that it could read
and often write documents in many proprietary formats. That strength
should remain solidly a feature of Libre Office and for exactly the
same reasons.
When it
Hi Mark, all,
Mark Preston wrote (31-12-10 16:11)
If I may inject what I hope is a little sense into this argument:-
A major strength of Open Office is and always was that it could read
and often write documents in many proprietary formats. That strength
should remain solidly a feature of
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (31-12-10 13:14)
On 31/12/10 09:30, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF
format for opening and saving documents now.
So does 2007 SP2 as well. However in 2007 the opening of ods documents
has deliberately
@rgb.mldc- if your request for a document included a format type, you might
even include a link to LO as well. My copy of OO.o opens docx, so I can't
say docx is unreadable. Everything I run is tweaked a little, so I am not a
standard use case.
There was a long thread on one of the Linux lists
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
And if you are sent an OOXML document to edit and return then it's bad
manners not to send it back in the format it was sent to you, just like it's
bad manners to receive a plain text email and reply in
On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
The answer to ALL this nonsense is surely this.
If you receive an OOXML document, politely reply to the sender and request that
they send it in another format, explaining why.
And BTW, the latest Open Office ALSO supports writing to OOXML
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mark Preston m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk wrote:
If I may inject what I hope is a little sense into this argument:-
Thank you for injecting sense into what had become entirely emotional
and irrational B^)
A major strength of Open Office is and always was that it
On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST) Paul Gress wrote:
On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
The answer to ALL this nonsense is surely this.
If you receive an OOXML document, politely reply to the sender and
request that they send it in another format, explaining why.
And
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST) Paul Gress wrote:
On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
The answer to ALL this nonsense is surely this.
If you receive an OOXML document, politely reply to
There are many times in which HTML doesn't translate correctly to a
recipient. The lowest common denominator, then, is plain text. That
being the case I habitually set my email reader to send in plain text.
Also, for one who uses gpg (or it's equivalent), even occasionally, the
encrypting
On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:17:28 GMT-0800 (PST) Carl Symons wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST) Paul Gress wrote:
On 12/31/10 07:50 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
The answer to ALL this nonsense is
On 12/31/10 08:23 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 31/12/10 13:21, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 31/12/10 13:17, RGB ES wrote:
As someone already said, that's absolutely wrong: I have 3.3rc8 and
300m95 running here and none of them support writing to whateverX
formats.
Maybe you are
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:17:28 GMT-0800 (PST) Carl Symons wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net
wrote:
On Fri Dec 31 2010 10:53:16 GMT-0800 (PST) Paul Gress wrote:
On 12/31/10
On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:45:46 GMT-0800 (PST) Carl Symons wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
Yep. Go back to the first message in this thread and follow the links.
Very eye opening.
Andy
You're right, some interesting reading there and on
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:
On Fri Dec 31 2010 11:45:46 GMT-0800 (PST) Carl Symons wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net
wrote:
Yep. Go back to the first message in this thread and follow the links.
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is
absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle
of using ODF and open source formats.
See the following:
I support Larry's position.
Carl Symons
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary
On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary
format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open
source
openxml is a really bad thing for the community. It was a shame its
approval by iso, specially if we consider there was no working
implementation of it (not even msoffice support that standard!!) By
implementing this format on LibO we are not helping to improve the
(absurd myth of)
2010/12/30 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by
default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid
That means nothing. MSOffice will be able to read the previous formats
for a while, I think...
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I will not support or use LibreOffice
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file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this
proprietary format. To do so is contrary
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On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote:
I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary
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I will not support or use LibreOffice
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file format. There
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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
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- Original Message
From: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com
Even MS Office users (prior to 2007) have had trouble with this docx
fraud.
Perhaps LibO and all other Open Source projects - and perhaps anyone
supporting
ODF for that matter - should treat OOXML like Microsoft
On 12/30/2010 4:14 PM, BRM wrote:
- Original Message
snip
We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is quickly
becoming the world standard at least at the government level - which means in a
few years most organizations that support governments will need to
- Original Message
From: Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com
snip
We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is
quickly
becoming the world standard at least at the government level - which means
in a
few years most organizations that support governments will
On Thu Dec 30 2010 12:19:55 GMT-0800 (PST) Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format
by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid
If M$ were to use the proper standard then I would have no problem with
the OOXML usage.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote:
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I will not support or use LibreOffice
until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file
format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format.
To
I have to use office2007 at work and I watch hundreds of core users (college
students) struggle with my formatting requirements for homework assignments.
Most of these are using the company-supplied computers, with office 2007,
most of the time. Word allows reading and writing odf format. It
On 12/30/10 08:09 PM, Carl Symons wrote:
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=2493p=169740#p169507
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101219121621828
; Unless this changes I will strongly advocate in the support groups I
participate the people stay with
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