I'm doing some visual design prototypes this evening, preparing to call my
visual designer tommorrow, and thinking this isn't an academic subject or
splitting hairs.I feel interaction designer and visual designer are not
idealized roles, but are how people break down at the mastery level. If
Thank you Elizabeth, I agree with everything you have written.
But trying to go further and find a consensus about standardization
of the title Interaction Design, our community in Lisbon arrived into
a consensus, we will maintain the original English version name.
best regards
Pedro Soares
I liked the demo. It didn't jump around at all and was actually
fairly elegant. However, I'm not sure that I agree that the user is
looking for more content if they scroll to the bottom of the page.
I'm assuming this is another case of it depends. Depending on
the type of site I'm on and what type
Thank you all for your helpful advice and recommendations -- it's
very much appreciated!
--Miranda.
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Posted from the new ixda.org
http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=25265
V. Interesting ajax implementation.
Right now, when I scroll down to the bottom of a page it also means
that I might be looking for information I assume is in the footer
(company contact info, address, help links).
Also, what does it mean for CTRL F style page searches?
Thanks for giving the
Hi Joakim,
thank you for your very helpful answer, especially concerning the
drawbacks of the pupillometrics.
Also the point with the navigation structure. It is yet unclear,
whether I could use this as additional parameter. I would be happy,
however, to be independent from that.
I hoped that
Miranda, As you can tell from the price point, the Bamboo tablet is an entry
level tablet, whereas the Intuos is geared towards professionals. The main
distinctions between the two lines of tablets are the differences in
sensitivity in the interaction between the stylus and the tablet. The
As supported in the Sympony Open-Source PHP Web Framework, Ajax Pagination
allows the client browser to load the content gradually as the user scrolls
down to the bottom of the web page. Once the vertical scrollbar reaches the
bottom it triggers a new page to load. Unlike its common use in
Thanks Jeff. I was actually looking through Lockton's site last night.
It's interesting stuff, for sure.
I came across another example of slanty design recently, spurred on by
an upcoming trip to Switzerland - in porta-johns, they use a certain
type of blue light instead of traditional light
Andrei asked:
The larger issue is actually more fundamental: do interaction
designers need to have aesthetic skills?
An unequivocal 1 million % (to quote my American Idol Buddy Randy
Jackson) YES!
Aesthetics is HUGE.
And understanding fundamentals of communication design (Visual,
audio, 3D,
Russ Beale wrote a good article on slanty design in Communications of the ACM.
Beale, R. 2007. Slanty design. Commun. ACM 50, 1 (Jan. 2007), 21-24.
Beale (p. 24) list 5 design steps for achieving slanty designs (these
are quoted from a bulleted list in the article).
Identify user goals;
This is cool. The only downside is that users often use the scroll bar as an
indicator of the longth of the page. This pretty much skews what is an
important bit of feedback to the user.
Mark
On Wednesday, January 30, 2008, at 09:05AM, Etkin Ciftci [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As supported in
Here are similar blue lights used in some public toilets in Edinburgh:
http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2006/10/28/a-vein-attempt/
P.S. My first post on here; I've been reading some of the
discussions for a while, but felt I ought to sign up and contribute!
The blog is somewhat disorganized
In the case of the sloped floor around the baggage carousel, does slanty
design really help users to avoid a non-goal, or is it just a utilitarian
measure to make sure that some users' goal seeking does not unnecessarily
impede the goal seeking of other users?
I used gmail early on and having
Once the vertical scrollbar reaches the
bottom it triggers a new page to load. Unlike its common use in
separate
frames(i.e. the inbox of Hotmail Live), ajax pagination(weird name)
attaches a new full page to the end of the current one. So, we end up
with
a continuous scroll bar and therefore
On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:56 AM, dave malouf wrote:
Aesthetics is HUGE.
And understanding fundamentals of communication design (Visual,
audio, 3D, spatial, etc.) is at the core of a good IxD education/
training career path.
Then this is either not agreed upon or not well understood at large.
I love this type of stuff. If you've a moment, you might like to check out a
photographic example I've captured of my office's water cooler, which must
be slanty design. You push one blue button for cold water, and two red
buttons for hot. The problem is, there are no cues other than the existence
On Jan 30, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Pankaj Chawla wrote:
This one seems to be bang on target. I hope it once and for all
puts the
debate to an end.
Let's be clear.
There is only a debate, especially from someone like me, because many
people will agree with Dave on this point (the
An unequivocal '1 million %' (to quote my American Idol Buddy
Randy Jackson) YES!, Dave's answer to Andrei's question regarding
aesthetic skills.
I have been following this post and many others like it, as I'm sure
other newbies are, to see what's the best preparation to enter this
field,
I agree with both Abi and Mark about this. I'm impressed that it
remains accessible without scripts, and I like that a lot.
I think you'd want to use this very selectively. In most cases,
it's an advantage to me that my screen contains a finite amount of
information I can sort through and use. My
Actually, speaking of Savannah, I've been meaning to ask: How do you
get from the airport to the conference? Is there a bus or something?
Also wondering if there are other graphic designers going who want to
meet up.
Cheers,
-- Kim
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Kim Bieler
It's a neat implementation. However, there's something vaguely
Sisyphian about scrolling and scrolling and never getting to the bottom.
I kind of like the page 1 | 2 | 3 links because they tell me how
much content to expect. I'd prefer the Ajax pagination if it gave me
some indicator about
Coming in on this thread a bit late...lots of good stuff here!
David Malouf wrote:
The Thermo stuff is definitely interesting, but thinks like a graphic
designer, not like an interactive designer. Expression in their
tutorials anyway is thinking similarly.
Basic assumption that is false
Hi Wendy,
This is a great question. I'm amazed it has sat for a day without a
reply from anyone.
I have been looking for an industry design group for women ever since
Women in Multimedia was around back in the 90's. From what I can
tell, it sadly disappeared in early 2001. Having been the sole
Hi David,
On 29 Jan 2008, at 13:56, David Malouf wrote:
HI Adrian (I wish the web version had better quoting features.)
Me too!
see adrian's reply to me above ...
Yes, you can do both. You should do both, but you shouldn't do one
w/o the
other. I'm not saying that you are or aren't, but
On 30 Jan 2008, at 16:46, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
[snip]
So I guess the question is: Pankaj, do you also agree that aesthetics
are a fundamental requirement of practicing IxD?
[snip]
Why do I get the horrible feeling that somebody is going to ask for a
definition of aesthetics now :-)
But doesn't Thermo limit you to just Flex? I think that is a bad thing. I
have had horrible experiences with Flex development. I would consider
myself a fairly savvy at what I do. Like some, I can design a composite in
Fireworks and then build the xhtml/css/javascript prototype. Thermo
How about the iPhone approach, which is used for example in the mail
client: when you reach the bottom of what's already loaded, you need
to click in order to load more items, and you get an indication of how
many items there are.
I think in some applications it's important to be able to load
Andrea wrote:
My take and fear on this is that aesthetics are deemed
to be not needed in other aspects of interaction,
and are therefore not required as a core skill.
Andrei, I feel like you're tilting at windmills. No one in this
thread is suggesting that aesthethics aren't important. I
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Is anyone else aware of women's IxD or software design
On 30 Jan 2008, at 06:56, dave malouf wrote:
[snip]
I realize this might have leaped a lot onto the conversation. But
what it means is that an interface designer IS an interaction
designer, but not all interaction designers are interface designers
and not all designers are interaction
OK - maybe I am missing something here. A women only group design group?
Is design gender specific? What would be the need / benefit of such a
group?
Also, to wit, would you be offended if there were a men only group?
Cheers.
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:03:09, Kim Lenox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 30 Jan 2008, at 16:28, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote:
[snip]
I can't tell you how many interaction designers I meet that say
things along the lines of I don't draw the buttons, I just work with
someone else that does.
This is a massive problem if the field is to be inclusive and support
bq. Is design gender specific? What would be the need / benefit of
such a group?
My first thought, as well, Mike. But you know, guys can be so ...
boorish, sometimes. All that testosterone and bravado and belching
and flamewarmongering we do all the time.
Just kidding, Wendy and Kim. Y'all can
bq. Is design gender specific? What would be the need / benefit of
such a group?
My first thought, as well, Mike. But you know, guys can be so ...
boorish, sometimes. All that testosterone and bravado and belching
and flamewarmongering we do all the time.
Just kidding, Wendy and Kim. Y'all can
Mike,
Huh? This is a professional organization. Where women are vastly
underrepresented and face challenges that men do not as an
underrepresented group. It totally makes sense for women, people of
color, non-USers, and other underrepresented folks to try and
congregate amongst themselves for
On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:41 AM, dave malouf wrote:
Jeff, actually, what bothered me about Andrei's response was not his
declaration that some on this list are not interested in aesthetics,
but the assertion (implicit) in his last responses that aesthetics
lies in the realm of form (visual,
Again, I have no real issue with it, but I just don't get it.
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:01:53, Jeff Seager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
bq. Is design gender specific? What would be the need / benefit of
such a group?
My first thought, as well, Mike. But you know, guys can be so ...
boorish,
How about this AJAX paging example from 'Componentart', most of you might
have already seen this-
http://www.componentart.com/webui/demos/demos_technology_showcase/web-services_ajax/ajax_withClientSideCaching/default.aspx
- Each action retrieves the required set of records from the server without
The most recent IA Institute salary survey, which was publicized on this
list, is probably the closest thing:
http://iainstitute.org/en/learn/research/salary_survey_2007.php
According to the survey summary,
The gender split is almost equal, with 49% female to 51% male. Also, female
IAs on
Thanks Dave, you've summed it up well.
Mike, I'd be happy to share with you my battle scars of working as a
women in the software development industry. A sample ... job
interviews a few years back: Monday, 4 hour interview with 5 men,
entire studio of 11 was all men except for the women who
But the same report showed a vast separation once you get into management
and upper management.
Also, lets remember that we are not all IAs, AND! the term
underrepresented is not really a term about statistics but is a euphemism
trying to deal with the realities that -isms (pick yours: sexism,
I really like this mode of browsing long lists, it would be really useful in
things like discussion forums. I agree with the caveats that others
mention, as well as the lack of bookmark-ability for pages deeper than the
first. Much of my work involves finding reference information for various
Andrei, if I understand your position, you're saying that a command
of visual aesthetics should be core to the discipline of interaction
design. I don't mean to gloss over my disagreement.
If it were core to the discipline, browsing through a few Tufte
books as you suggest upstream wouldn't
My first reaction on seeing this demo was to interpret the navigation
controls as pertaining to an embedded video, rather than an actual live
search listing.
I would suspect that, unless this sort of control gains widespread usage,
many people would make the same mistake.
Dmitry
On Jan 30, 2008
On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Meredith Noble wrote:
Would love to hear some stats if people have them, as I get asked this
question all the time and Dave's comment makes me worry I'm giving the
wrong answer!
When I was running the design team at Adobe, I had ~66% women on the
team to ~33%
The company that I was the UX A for 2.5 years may have not been the norm -
but in the software engineering group - 55-60 people, the breakdown was
something like this
55% women
45% men
Tech leads
3 men, 2 women
Ethnicity:
35% White (Euro ancestry - including eastern European Jewish and Russian
You're absolutely right, Dave. My point was simply to refer the list to the
most recent data available, which shows that gender equality progress is
being made in the broader field of UX (at least at the non-management
level).
As for definitions, since we are still unable to collectively define
There are many common scenarios where people only care about the first page
of results (which is why many SEO efforts are geared toward getting a site
listed above the fold on Google/Yahoo, etc).
I suspect there is almost a subconscious drive for many folks to see the
whole first page of results
Dave, your proposal actually sounds like a great bachelor's degree
curriculum (or last 3 years thereof).
A 3-year masters degree, while great for curriculum breadth/depth reasons,
would likely attract few students of high caliber due to the opportunity
cost. Even 2-year master's degrees face this
Shekhar: How about this AJAX paging example from 'Componentart'
...
Hi, Shekhar ... As you might guess from my comments above, I'm in
part an accessibility advocate. As such, I like javascript as
progressive enhancement. AJAX is being used far too much (in my
opinion) for primary development with
The program that I come from (Kansas) has a fairly dated approach to
teaching graphics (IMHO. In the 5 year undergrad ID program, graphics
are emphasized as are presentation skills. The interaction design
classwork stems largely from the ID facult. They work in teams on
most projects...
Hi, I am new to this list so sorry that my first post have to disagree
with this implementation.
uI am really concerned about the user expectations. What I observed
from rapid usability tests is that users are confused by the initial
size of the page and as mch confused by the end size of the
I am interested in this topic from a different perspective. I am on
the outside looking in.
I have been doing customer support and network design most of my
career and have started looking for a change when I discovered
Interaction Design. This debate is important to me for the simple
reason
This has been around for a while, never caught on.
Biggest concern was bookmarking. You can in fact bookmark this type of
scrolling by adding event listeners, nobody tried it yet but it's easy
enough to do. Each back button would take you to a different anchor point
on the page. You can also
You wrote:
As with any social networking applications, the quality of a given social
graph heavily depends on whether your users are using their real name in
their profile.
*I disagree*. I know some very very vibrant, highly sticky social networking
applications and the quality of the social
To be a member of the Yelp Elite on yelp.com, they require you to use your
real first name and last initial.
Then you can attend Elite only events (the benefit) which almost always
include free cocktails.
On Jan 30, 2008 2:20 PM, Alvin Woon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As with any social
On 1/30/08, Narciso Jaramillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a quick note on this... Our current public Thermo demo does
emphasize the graphic-design-to-production workflow, but we're also
interested in the early-stage interaction design workflow. We do plan to
have basic drawing tools and
Amazon's product reviews encourage real names by making a big deal
about it with a badge when people use their real name and leveraging
that badge as an indication of credibility. It's a way to show that
the glowing review isn't just a sock-puppet account created by the
author. They link your name
If - from a business perspective you really need real names - then Jeff's
recommendation is right on - and you need to offer some value - such as
increased reputation (a highly regarded form of currency on SN).
I only disagreed with the base assumption that social networks derive
greater value
bq.I've used wacom products for years and wouldnt recommend them for
prototyping/sketching.
I agree with Pauric if we're talking about the smaller Wacoms, but I
think their usefulness for prototyping is much improved if you use one
of the larger -- and more expensive -- models, like a 9x12
On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:29 PM, dave malouf wrote:
Hi Andrei, we're close.
Not possible! 8^)
Yes. We are close. We were always close, and that has largely been my
frustration for so long since I'm obviously unable to communicate
this in way that makes that clear and not abrasive or
I just posted a blog entry on the conference site about ground
transportation.
http://interaction08.ixda.org/blog/?p=64
Enjoy!
-- dave
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On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:43 AM, James Bond wrote:
I have been doing customer support and network design most of my
career and have started looking for a change when I discovered
Interaction Design. This debate is important to me for the simple
reason that I don't have a background.
As a
And people search does work - if you search for people based on their
screen name. My mom - a very heavy blogger on a social networking site that
I designed - has deep, rich connections with MANY people - many she only
knows their screen names. I can share more theoretical work with you about
Mitchell International, Inc. is the leading provider of enterprise data,
software and eBusiness solutions for the automotive insurance, collision
repair, medical claims and glass replacement industries. With over 800
employees, Mitchell provides enterprise software solutions and services
to the
Hi Billy,
In Russell Beale's original paper about slanty design (which was the
basis for Lockton's post) he hypothesized about the rationale for the
missing delete button:
Google uses your body of email to mine
for information it uses to target the ads it delivers
to generate revenue;
One more potentially useful survey:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/2007surveyresults
Pulling all the people who say they're competent at interface design
(a separate item from graphic design) might be a reasonable proxy for
interaction designers.
Jennifer Berk
On Jan 30, 2008 2:55 PM,
Just got this in off the wire from a longtime colleague:
A penny and a couple of vodka seltzers for your thoughts.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/
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Pedro:
I've realised that it's not consensual the usage of Interaction Design
in English in all languages.
From the IxDA point of view what's the most correct?
Elizabeth:
I don't think it's an industry decision so much as a cultural or
linguistic one, depending more on the target language and
Bad usability calendars are fun, but as a field, we are often
criticized for showing mostly bad examples and not highlighting good
designs that are recognized as usable by most. In fact, we often have
trouble even agreeing on concrete examples of design that have 'high
usability. There are sites
On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:16 PM, John Vaughan wrote:
A penny and a couple of vodka seltzers for your thoughts.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/
Simply awesome.
--
Andrei Herasimchuk
Principal, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world
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c. +1 408 306 6422
I just noticed we've had nearly equal replies of women and men to
this post. ;-)
I pulled a few stats from the survey Jennifer mentioned http://
www.alistapart.com/articles/2007surveyresults
It was responded by:82.8% Male, 16.1% Female, 1.1% No answer, 84.6%
White
Page 30 shows the gender
I'm porting some of the logic to use by flash using the wiiflash
libary if anybody is interested. Ping me
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ACM technews seems to have frequent stories about the gender gap in IT
in general. Just from memory, many headlines deal with the issue of
less and less women entering into computer science and related tech
fields at the college level. The most recent issue has an article
about the gender salary
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