Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-07 Thread james horgan
If you have proven data as to how your designs are correlated to the bottom line of profit, I would pursue it with HR and Exec team, they may see it differently as to how valuable they think your skillset is and they need to make cutbacks. You have to ask yourself are you willing to work for anothe

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread USABILITY MEDIC
Norman, Assuming you really want to stay at such a short sighted org, And assuming you think you still have a shot to change their minds, you may want to tap into Jeff Patton (Agile expert). He spoke at IxD 08 and from what I recall from his session...developers do not really do the desi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
> > seconded. Thirded. (That so should be a word.) BTW, without a designer (or someone trained in design approaches) they will > make the mistake of turning customer requests into non-viable products. Seconded. -r- Welcome to th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Sam Andrews
Apart from top-decking of course. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=33867 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To pos

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Jeff Parks
Do you believe in Karma? I do. :-) I've been a part of a couple of organizations in Canada (public and private) where I would concur with Jared's advice. Always take the higher road; the world is a tiny place and you never know who you upset today may be providing you with options in the fut

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Brett Lutchman
No prob Benji, It's a frustrating situation. We know you meant no harm. You're just voicing what a lot of others are thinking. *: )* On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Benjamin Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good point, Jared. > > I guess I gave the burning-bridges advice. > > Don't listen to me i

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Benjamin Ho
Good point, Jared. I guess I gave the burning-bridges advice. Don't listen to me if that's not what you want, Norman. Sorry, folks. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=33867

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:54 AM, Benjamin Ho wrote: I agree with others here as well - if they've purposely figured out a way to exclude you in their plans, and there's a misalignment in philosophy and methodology, then it's time to go. If I were you, I'd also take "your plans" that you had offered

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Benjamin Ho
I agree with others here as well - if they've purposely figured out a way to exclude you in their plans, and there's a misalignment in philosophy and methodology, then it's time to go. If I were you, I'd also take "your plans" that you had offered with you - delete as many files you can before you

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Bryan Minihan
Apologies for the length...quit smoking this morning, so I'm on a bit of a rant... Like many others, I think your best option might just be to find a more comfortable place to work. If this is your dream company and you just can't leave, your best bet may be to contact a lawyer if you think you'r

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Brett Lutchman
No prob Norm, One more option that seems to be floating around here is to simply walk away. I have had to do this 3 times in my career. In all honesty I was upset in every situation, but the next stepping stone proved to be a better opportunity. It looks like you may have to spread your wings and f

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Jared Spool
On Oct 4, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Acuity Corp wrote: What am I looking for? - Advice from someone who has dealt with constructive dismissal or with such a situation. - Advice on how I might "proove" that interaction design and developer is not the same role if this ever gets to court. My empl

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Tim Wright
Something to also contemplate is getting them onto the "agile-usability" mailing list. Interaction specialists do have a place on an agile team :) http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-usability/ Tim On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Acuity Corp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They know about Ala

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-06 Thread Tim Wright
And perhaps buy them a copy of "the inmates are running the asylum" :) On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:35 PM, William Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Find a new job at a company that understands the value of design. Run from > this backwards place as fast as possible. > > will evans > emotive archite

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Norman
Brett said >> In my personal opinion, I don't see developers having the savvy interpersonal passion to link hearts with clients to see their (the client's) vision come to pass. Where I work the Agile teams are not in practice working with customers. The prod manager shows a mid-stream version

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Acuity Corp
Will, A little "collateral damage" during that hunting trip would be beneficial to everyone using these distortions. I'd ask that Cheney also take Paulson along on the trip. The propaganda tactics continued this week with threats of imminent unmitigated financial ruin and martial law unless $700

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Acuity Corp
They know about Alan Cooper and Inmates. I've given persona training to prod managers at the company so they believe there is something there. This tells me that people without sensitivity towards design will doom design. Alan Cooper's hardline sentiment is right, there is a war in a sense betwee

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Kontra
> Capture & define the user's _workflow_ > > 'Prove' you're an interaction designer by _understanding your > audience_ (external and internal). Differentiate yourself from the > role of developer by advocating 'solutions' over 'features'. > Those are caricatures: none of this stuff is beyond the a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Andreas Ringdal
Do you want to remain at this company? Another approach might be to start your own business and ask them to hire your new company to handle their overall deign strategy. If you want to start you own business this might help you get started. Andreas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread M Matty
Speak to an attorney - employment law varies by state, and a lawyer can give you the best advice about how to proceed. Keep in mind that quitting vs. getting laid off because your position is no longer viable can mean the difference between getting severance, unemployment, maybe paid benefits for a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Brett Lutchman
Norman: "Advice on how I might "prove" that interaction design and developer is not the same role if this ever gets to court." Norman, whatever the outcome, be prepared for a blessing in disguise. The first thing that stands out to me in regards to the differences between an interaction designer a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Will Evans
And now for a constructive answer after having gotten my snarky answer out of my system. Clearly they are moving in a direction that does not value UCD, and they think developers can magically gain the skills, methods, and processes necessary to design good applications without designers - they ar

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-04 Thread William Evans
Btw: the term "constructive dismissal" is the kind of dishonest perversion of language that Orwell warned about in his classic article on language and politics. The spineless syncophant that invented that term should be forced to go on a pheasant hunting trip with Chaney after he's knocked

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-04 Thread pauric
Norman: "Advice on how I might "prove" that interaction design and developer is not the same role if this ever gets to court." Capture & define the user's _workflow_ 'Prove' you're an interaction designer by _understanding your audience_ (external and internal). Differentiate yourself from the r

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-04 Thread Christina Wodtke
seconded. this company will follow its own destiny. find a place whose philosophy matches yours. BTW, without a designer (or someone trained in design approaches) they will make the mistake of turning customer requests into non-viable products. I see a Homer-mobile in their future. http://www.yell

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-04 Thread William Evans
Find a new job at a company that understands the value of design. Run from this backwards place as fast as possible. will evans emotive architect & hedonic designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617.281.1281 twitter: semanticwill aim: semanticwill gtalk: wkevans4 skype: semanticwill ___

[IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-04 Thread Acuity Corp
Hi all, I work in-house as an interaction designer in a technical industry. I am a senior employee. The company has a massive customer base, and lack of design is their core problem. I am the interaction designer, and there is a visual designer I hire on contract. This year, I have laid out f