I'm surprised how low the user numbers are - while normally I wouldn't
be without it, I have been without it for a month or so, while the BBC
have chopped and changed so much. I've had to use Juice for Podcasts
instead of listen again, or just played it on my computer.
While this may be less
Why are using Juice for Podcasts rather than the AlienBBC BBC Podcast
menu which hasn't been affected by iPlayer ?
Is it awkward to use in some way ?
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Well I didn't actually know about the Alien one - but also I use Juice
to download non-BBC podcasts for other devices. Will look at Alien in
more detail when the Beeb have finally recovered their sanity!
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Triode;336663 Wrote:
Here's the latest version of the xml parser for bbc feeds including all
feeds referenced from the BBC blog posting.
Thanks for this Triode.
I've installed it. I'd like to add it to my favourites to use it as my
main way of accessing Listen Again however it appears that
It will add entries to favorites, but these are always bookmarks for
streams rather than the streams themselves, so click on the name in the
web interface (go right from the player interface) and you should get to
the streams themselves.
Note that although you can add favorites for programmes
Thought I'd add a warning here re the xml feeds. I've just written a
quick script to check the availablity of the feeds the xml addon puts
on the menu. There's quite a few streams which don't look like they
have a real audio feed.
For radios1-5, bbc6, 7 and 1xtra I get: 994 Programs with 182
Well lets hope it gets better over the next few days - I'll rerun the
script and post the updated results. (In the mean time I have mailed
their aodfeed address)
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bpa;336743 Wrote:
* add functionality to use common ff/rew mechanism for 7.1
Did I mention that this doesn't work on my installation either?
I've decided to entirely re-install my whole 7.2 installation from
scratch and re-set it up manually (I really hate having to do this). I
think I may
It sounds like you have an AlienBBC 2.00 installation and you modded the
install.xml to work on 7.1. Then perhaps an update to the iPlayer Addon
was missed or not installed properly.
A clean install is a very good idea. I find uninstall and then look at
the files left behind - that will give
And that's exactly what I am doing. Thanks.
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Triode;336701 Wrote:
You should be able to bookmark by 'brand' e.g. archers with the xml
addon.
Ooh, that's good.
Triode;3367 Wrote:
For instance you can bookmark 'Chris Moyles' and always get a list of
the last week's programmes of that name in favorites.
Hmmm... a bit less attractive.
ModelCitizen;336714 Wrote:
When I can summon the strength I'll update my various SlimCenter menus
to use the AlienBBC/BBCRadio Microsoft WMA protocol feeds instead of
the current Real Audio ones. When the BBC finally offer something
stable, reliable, SENSIBLE and USEFUL for hardware
mavit;336979 Wrote:
There might be a few bumps along the way, but I can't see how you can
argue that they're heading in the wrong direction.
I hope you are right and that they eventually get things right, my
faith is restored and I can simply listen to BBC Radio on my chosen
SlimDevice without
Triode;336663 Wrote:
Here's the latest version of the xml parser for bbc feeds including all
feeds referenced from the BBC blog posting. This will work as an addon
to Alien on SqueezeCenter 7.2 - unzip the three files into the Addon
folder and restart the server.
I'm reinstalling all at
Craig's web site
Who is Craig ?
Why not get it from the AlienBBC website
http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc
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Who is Craig ?
Whoops, I meant Neil.
Cheers.
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andynormancx;336348 Wrote:
Because Listen Again has been broken for a while without the new patches
and not many people have downloaded the new patches.
Ah. Of course.
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I agree with most of what you say, but I don't agree with this:
autopilot;335594 Wrote:
And not a single advertisement EVER (there are many part of the world
that dont even know the joy of this). They are far from perfect, but I
think the BBC are amazing.
At least on the TV, they are
ModelCitizen;336291 Wrote:
alienbbc-windows-v2.01b1_7.1.zip - 6221 (this seem unlikely to me)
But why? And how could the stats be wrong?It is not really wrong but not a
true reflection of users - it is more
than the number of 2.00 downloads and much more than the other 2.01
downloads. I
bpa;335080 Wrote:
The BBC do provide an XML interface and an AlienBBC Addon has been
posted in the same iPlayer thread which uses the XML interface.
Unfortately the XML interface is not as complete as the screen
scraper. The current interim XML interface was developed quickly (I
think
Doesn't look like anything has been added (i.e. still missing
categories) - it may be BBC officially document the XML and stating
that logos, graphics etc cannotbe used without permission.
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I'll review it, but it doesn't look like much has changed other than a
few more stations being available on the xml feeds. With 7.2 we can
use the xml freed to give a set of by station menus. What's missing is
genre information - so we can't produce menus by genre, either within
one station or
Here's the latest version of the xml parser for bbc feeds including all
feeds referenced from the BBC blog posting. This will work as an addon
to Alien on SqueezeCenter 7.2 - unzip the three files into the Addon
folder and restart the server.
As I mentioned above, it can't create genre based
My AlienBBC installation has become a right mess. I have 2.0.1b
installed and have updated with at least one (if not two) of the
supplied iPlayer menu zips.
I had added various stations to favourites, my radio stations and other
places you can add the stuff to in the nebulous SlimServer UI.
Lots of points -
1. Having Logitech support RealAudio for the BBC as core will not
stop dropouts. If you are in the UK use the WMA streams for live
stream. You should not be getting dropouts on Listen Again unless
there is a fault in program recording.
2. The XML interface will make menu
You should be able to bookmark by 'brand' e.g. archers with the xml
addon. This will find only those programmes with the same brand/title
from within a certain station's list. For instance you can bookmark
'Chris Moyles' and always get a list of the last week's programmes of
that name in
Thanks for your reply bpa.
I'm a bit uncertain why a well designed and thought out XML
feed/facility should be less functional than the current screen scrape
but will take your word that it would be.
I'm aware that SlimCenter support for RealAudio will not stop drop
outs. I'm also aware of the
Did I mention that even the links under the BBC iPlayer menus don't
work on my AlienBBC installation?
The problem is at your end - the iPlayer v5 addon is still working OK
although BBC site is a bit slow so make sure your Radio Station
Timeout value is set to a high value.
If
ModelCitizen;336690 Wrote:
My AlienBBC installation has become a right mess. I have 2.0.1b
installed and have updated with at least one (if not two) of the
supplied iPlayer menu zips.
I had added various stations to favourites, my radio stations and other
places you can add the stuff to
Except for July - AlienBBC has not really been a high maintenance
plugin.
The introduction of iPlayer in July has resulted in 5 updates because
there was demand to keep Listen again working. It had been hoped
that BBC would have kept old Listen Again menu up to date in parallel
with iPlayer and
Some people asked for stats, these are the downloads for 2008:
V2.00
alienbbc-v2.00_7.0.exe - 3472
alienbbc-linux-v2.00_7.0.tar.gz - 2539
alienbbc-windows-v2.00_7.0.zip - 1933
V2.01 FOR 7.1
alienbbc-v2.01b1_7.1.exe - 763
alienbbc-windows-v2.01b1_7.1.zip - 6221 (this seem unlikely to me)
Thanks very much Neil. Very interesting.
alienbbc-windows-v2.01b1_7.1.zip - 6221 (this seem unlikely to me)
But why? And how could they be wrong?
MC
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alienbbc-windows-v2.01b1_7.1.zip - 6221 (this seem unlikely to me)
But why? And how could the stats be wrong?
From helping users I know that many have downloaded the zip file a few
times before they find the .exe.
The stats highlight that there seems to be very few users of Listen
bpa;336299 Wrote:
The stats highlight that there seems to be very few users of Listen
Again compared to live streams.
Sorry for being dense, but how do they show that?
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ModelCitizen;336343 Wrote:
Sorry for being dense, but how do they show that?
MC
Because Listen Again has been broken for a while without the new
patches and not many people have downloaded the new patches.
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Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ?
Alien BBC is one of the best plugins. I live in Switzerland and use it
_very_ frequently. I have even got my ageing parents a SB3 (with a boom
to follow). Discontiuing BBC would make their devices redundant.
I have installed Alien BBC on a couple of people's squeezecenters.
There must have been
bpa;335126 Wrote:
Most of the Wifi radio use the Reciva chipset which has license
RealAudio decoder. Reciva runs a web site which did the screen
scraping just like AlienBBC and now uses the XML format. Visit receiva
forum and you will see the same sort of comment such as missing
programs,
amcluesent;335431 Wrote:
IMHO, the BBC accountants are never going to open-up the Flash stream,
they won't give up the chance to monetise the iPlayer brand. It's
disgusting that a public body will trouser ££ billions in compulsory
tax but won't give access. I've pretty much decided to give
autopilot;335594 Wrote:
I think the BBC are amazing.
Seconded. There is nothing anywhere else anywhere in the world that
comes even close to the BBC. It is a national treasure, and bearing in
mind that most things our wonderful government change nowadays seem to
end up in a right mess, we
Am I missing something, or can you not just use streaming sites like
RadioTime?
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autopilot;335590 Wrote:
Yeah, i realised it was the Recieva chipset, but i did not realise (or
ever think about it that hard) that it used the same scrapping
techniques as AlienBBC. Thats very interesting, i was having a
conversation elsewhere about this and someone was arguing that Receiva
At the end of the day, this is all temporary. The BBC don't have any
choice, they will have to provide a service which internet radio
manufactures are compatible with because that will soon be a major way
of distributing there content - and thats what they do. I they dont
they will die. And to be
autopilot;335594 Wrote:
There is a lot of truth in that, and yes some reform is needed. But it's
still the single greatest pubic media network in the world. No other
service gets used so much internationally and we should be proud of
that. There is no other [non internet] terrestrial radio
BBC has nice WMA streams that work great out of the box, but they have
chosen to make those streams only available to users in the UK. Why
they have the same exact content available worldwide in RealAudio but
UK-only in WMA is a question only they can answer...
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BBC has nice WMA streams that work great out of the box, but they have
chosen to make those streams only available to users in the UK. Why
they have the same exact content available worldwide in RealAudio but
UK-only in WMA is a question only they can answer...
I've just been musing on just how core AlienBBC is to my enjoyment of
the SlimDevices products. It has struck me that if I could not play BBC
Radio on my SlimDevices then I'd probably only have bought the
Transporter and would not have purchased my other three players. I'd
certainly never have
Now that the BBC is changing away from Real Audio is there any chance
that BBC radio will become core code?
That is for Logitech but I think legal issues - however playing
RealAudio streams through an SB was not strictly legal when mplayer
used RealNetworks libraries (each user may have
bpa;335080 Wrote:
In terms of users about 330 user have downloaded the recent iPlayer
Addon and 30 user the 6.5 addon. I don't know if a 360 users is large
enough user base for Logitech to adopt the BBC support.
Cheers for the reply. I'll look up secure MP3 when I have a moment.
It looks
bpa wrote:
In terms of users about 330 user have downloaded the recent iPlayer
Addon and 30 user the 6.5 addon. I don't know if a 360 users is large
enough user base for Logitech to adopt the BBC support.
Downloading add-ons is not for everyone. I'm sure 'BBC-support' would be
a nice
The user number has a couple of caveats
1. many non-UK users use AlienBBC to play live streams and so the
Addon download does not reflect this group of users.
2. There are a number of Roku and non-Slimdevice hardware users who
also use AlienBBC. For example, from PMs etc I think there at
This is all very good to know.. and in the main quite reassuring. Thanks
bpa. I guess Mr Triode is a Logitech employee then?
I'm still pretty staggered that the AlienBBC user base is not measured
in the medium to high thousands (at least).
I'm perplexed as to why the BBC don't provide simple
So how do all those cheap ass WiFi internet radio's the pop up
everywhere (and Sonos) now the do all the BBC stuff do it then?
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I've been told by someone who works at the BBC (in new media) that
it's a consquences of them being early adopters. When they started up
their streaming program, Real was the only format that was widely
accessible on all kinds of platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux etc) and Real
agreed to let the BBC
I'm a huge fan of AlienBBC, I'm anazed the userbase is as small as
suggested above.
Maybe the author(s) should put up a donations page. This is one of the
few things I would be more than happy to pay/donate for!
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So how do all those cheap ass WiFi internet radio's the pop up
everywhere (and Sonos) now the do all the BBC stuff do it then?
Most of the Wifi radio use the Reciva chipset which has license
RealAudio decoder. Reciva runs a web site which did the screen
scraping just like AlienBBC and now
Siduhe;335116 Wrote:
When they started up their streaming program, Real was the only format
that was widely accessible on all kinds of platforms (Windows, Mac,
Linux etc)
Apart from MP3? MP3 was very established at the time the BBC came do
look at streaming. I wonder why MP3 wasn't the
ModelCitizen;335135 Wrote:
Apart from MP3? MP3 was very established at the time the BBC came do
look at streaming. I wonder why MP3 wasn't the obvious choice?
Because rights issues meant they at least had to make an attempt to
stop people from saving the streams.
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Yes, it
Would the default install of AlienBBC not be in competition with
SqueezeCentre? I believe this also gives the ability to play BBC
Radio.
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I wonder why MP3 wasn't the obvious choice?
At the time most users were on dialup - max speed 33-56kbits/sec.
RealAudio has quite sophisticated mechansism to adapt to user
connection speed (the bit rate of the feeds could be adjusted). Also
different codetable within a codecs could be used
nolan;335122 Wrote:
I'm a huge fan of AlienBBC, I'm anazed the userbase is as small as
suggested above.
Maybe the author(s) should put up a donations page. This is one of the
few things I would be more than happy to pay/donate for!
What I think bpa was saying was that there have been
Would the default install of AlienBBC not be in competition with
SqueezeCentre? I believe this also gives the ability to play BBC Radio.
ALienBBC supplements the basic SC offerings.
SC just links into BBC WMA live streams which are only National and the
main one are restricted to UK.
davep;335156 Wrote:
I suspect that the figures would show a significantly larger user base
for the AlienBBC plugin - many hundreds if not thousands.
Where is the installer based? Isn't it on Neil Sleightholm
X2Systems.com web server? If so, it'd be interesting if he had download
figures for
On 1-Sep-08, at 3:12 AM, ModelCitizen wrote:
This is all very good to know.. and in the main quite reassuring.
Thanks
bpa. I guess Mr Triode is a Logitech employee then?
not yet. one of the few truly third-party major contributors
remaining (unless something changed recently)
-k
IMHO, the BBC accountants are never going to open-up the Flash stream,
they won't give up the chance to monetise the iPlayer brand. It's
disgusting that a public body will trouser ££ billions in compulsory
tax but won't give access. I've pretty much decided to give up my TV,
99% of what the BBC
kdf;335419 Wrote:
Triode... one of the few truly third-party major contributors remaining
(unless something changed recently)
OK. No I am again worried about the future of BBC Radio on SlimDevices
players.
This, compounded by a recent comment on another thread that the plugin
contributors
amcluesent;335431 Wrote:
=99% of what the BBC show on telly is leftist propoganda anyway.
Yeah, and that's the best stuff!
MC
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I agree that it should be integrated. As Realaudio becomes redundant,
there isn't much of an excuse not to. Perhaps Slimdevices is more
interested in it's US customers rather than it's UK customers.
Additionally, the BBC is likely to be more cooperative with a
manufacturer rather than an
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