thanks everyone, i think my situation was unique. fortunately, i really
bolstered my system by doing everything i did - wiring, static IPs, etc.
(even though it all proved to be an exercise in futility).
what finally fixed it? updated the firmware on my NAS. i've got a
Lacie Ethernet Disk
I had almost all issues described in this thread. On a bad day i could
not get 100% on the 64kbps network test even if no other wireless
computer was on.
I replaced my Netgear DG834G with a Linksys WAG325N, placed it on the
exact same spot and now I get 100% on the 5000kbps test all day long
It's not just with FLAC files - the same happens to me with MP3
downloads from Amazon music store (256 quality). Apple encoded files
are playing fine. I have the same setup as you do, but use a mac as the
computer for the SS7. It was not an issue with 6.3-6.5 but with SS7.
Seems to be a buggy
it's either SC7 or it's the player firmware (ver 86) - based on all the
other variables that i think i've controlled (going wired, static IP
and disabling the firewall) this is what i've isolated.
i'd really rather not revert to 6.5.4 - i LOVE the look and feel of
SC7.
does anyone have ideas on
conradbain;279164 Wrote:
it's either SC7 or it's the player firmware (ver 86) - based on all the
other variables that i think i've controlled (going wired, static IP
and disabling the firewall) this is what i've isolated.
i'd really rather not revert to 6.5.4 - i LOVE the look and feel of
using Vista
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problem: mid-song from my mostly-FLAC (some MP3) music library drops
out for 10 seconds. stutters a bit. then resumes playing. doesn't
happen reliably (i.e. not at the same point in a given song. not when
it's an all FLAC playlist. etc.) but does happen every third song
(give or take).
Hi Everybody - my SB3 (two of them) have the same freeze behavoir since
a few month. It got worse when using SC7. It was minimal with 6.3.1. My
both boxes are wired to my WRT54G and a IMac. So it's not a wireless
issue here. It happens to me when listening to radio streams via SC or
Squeeznetwork
OK - all superusers reading this.. is there a logfile on the SB3 I can
pull down for inspections why I have these zapping freezes?
Cheers
eurale;273548 Wrote:
in the seconds after I pushed post ... it just stopped, rebooted ...
here we go. I'm running v7 with the latest firmware as of 28th
hi eurale!
sorry to see my fix (uprading to SC7) didnt fix you. since i did - my
problem has gone away. :-)
BUT: i do have a track or two, which are (were) corrupted and would
repeatedly and reproduceably cause my SB3 to stop and/or crash at the
same track and position. i have located and
My SB, bought in Germany, worked flawlessly for a couple of years. One
day it started to stop in the middle of a song, reboot ... and start
the song from the beginning. Just as many other people are talking
about. All my IPs are static, I'm using a cable, etc. I didn't try the
factory reset that
in the seconds after I pushed post ... it just stopped, rebooted ...
here we go. I'm running v7 with the latest firmware as of 28th Feb (9pm
Aust eastern daylight time).
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ok, no amount of twiddling and tweaking with SS 6.5.5 solved the
problem. even unsynched, i was getting stops+crashes when playing
ogg/vorbis.
so i took the plunge and installed SC 7 in the feb. 18th build.
firstly, let me say that i am impressed with the improvements. my first
brush with SC7
At risk of being another 'me too' post - I was having erratic behavior
with my sb3 also running 6.5.4, fw 81 and was told to check the signal
strength.
I was having long delays with the remote and it would just shut right
off if I tried to SN. I did the re-install fw by holding down the
Could I ask a silly question...why are you using ogg-vorbis?
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hey phil, of course you can! :-)
why do i use vorbis?
1. because i can. the main reason i bought the squeezeboxes is because
the feature list says they play vorbis natively.
2. i am too lazy to encode my songs twice - lossless for at home and
lossy for on the road. maintaining every track twice
DanH: sounds like a very plausible explanation to me. i am pretty sure i
didnt have this problem in the beginning, either.
Phil: hmmm... i am not sure if that will yield results that are
different from simply using regular mp3 files i already have. besides,
i wouldnt even know which vorbis files
dcote;270081 Wrote:
hey phil, of course you can! :-)
why do i use vorbis?
1. because i can. the main reason i bought the squeezeboxes is because
the feature list says they play vorbis natively.
2. i am too lazy to encode my songs twice - lossless for at home and
lossy for on the road.
hi phil, hi mark!
i have various different vorbis encoders in my library: xiph libvorbis
0.x + 1.x, aotuvb4+5, and gtune3b1+2. just as i have mp3s from various
encoders, as well. none of them cause problems on any other playback
device, be it software on PC or embedded such as an iriver mp3
rather than transcoding, try converting them to flac or wav or mp3 and
see if the symptoms persist
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I have had my Squeezebox for about a year. It is connected to my router
via wi-fi and I am running Slimserver 6.5.4. I have ripped my CD
collection as flac format files. For the past month or two it will make
a loud pop and freeze at random intervals when playing. I can press play
on the remote
hi slwiser!
interesting issue you are describing here. i have two SB3s and they
also both suffer from random stops while playing. i am curious if we
have similar problems and maybe we can find commonalities?
first, a description of my setup:
- WLAN g
- slimserver 6.5.5 (waiting for SC7 release)
dcote;269222 Wrote:
my suspicion:
- i have seen that error message before (out of decoder RAM), in
context with the vorbis decoder crashing on certain internet radio
stations: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4418
since i use vorbis a *lot*, this seems related.
I have seen the
hi leuzi!
me neither, until a few days ago.
would you mind decribing a bit more of your setup?
- wired? wireless?
- common vorbis bitrates/q-levels and encoders you use?
- mixed playlists? (mp3/vorbis/flac) how large are they typically?
- do you use saved playlists or create them as needed
just stopped again... :-( same as before.
but this time, the SBs went into zombie mode.
here is more info though:
- from the corner of my eye, i was watching the screen. buffer
fullness went from ~10% (was approaching end of song) immediately to
100% *before* the new song was supposed to start
dcote:
I remember reading the SB's firmware ogg decoder was a tricky one to
make - perhaps there are unresolved issues.
Could you try in Server Settings - File Types to transcode to another
format and see if the problem goes away? Make sure the ogg - ogg
(built in) checkbox is UNchecked.
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yeah, i remember reading that, too. that is why i am slightly suspicious
of it. ;-)
but maybe unrightly so, because somthing occurred to me: while i
understand how a bug in the decoder would cause a stop+crash, it
wouldnt explain why the SB *and* SS skip a track every time this
happens, would
Almost scary to read dcote's story, I have the exact same experience
with my two SB3's. Next time it happens I will do some more serious
research and post the results here (or if there is a bugreport filed?).
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superpin, apart from this bug:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4418
i was not able to find a similar bug in bugzilla. not surprising tho,
because diagnosing a sporadic and non-reproduceable problem like this
is a PITA. ;-) i work in IT, and i run as fast as i can whenever i come
got some results faster than i thought...
i am transcoding vorbis to flac now - still problems, but slightly
different.
after about 10 tracks, now playing skipped ahead again as before. but
this time the SB's progress indicator has frozen at max:
now playing (51 of 765)
What ogg encoder are you using?
There are so many out there and so many loose interpretations of the
standard that not all encoders work properly with the SB decoder or the
program doing the transcoding.
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The only time my SB has ever displayed this sort of behaviour it turned
out to be that one of my audio fles was corrupt - might be worth
checking?
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No I have not had similar experience with error messages that you have.
My problems are very simple...it just stops, sometimes soft, sometimes
hard and sometimes very hard. Soft just required me to click the next
track. Hard requires and audio chip reset. And very hard requires a
complete
slwiser;268634 Wrote:
So far since last nights setting the IP as FIXED may have taken care of
most of my real issues.
I will continue to update this thread if anything more occurs to
undermine this fix.
Thanks for all your help..
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This morning when I got up after letting it play all night it was locked
up again. This afternoon I had to do the audio chip reset to get it
working. From the SqueezeCenter it appeared to go up about 3 seconds
from where it was locked and return to that time point on the track.
The SB3 was
So far since last nights setting the IP as FIXED may have taken care of
most of my real issues.
I will continue to update this thread if anything more occurs to
undermine this fix.
Thanks for all your help..
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I have had the same situation for months and no serious attempt from
Logitech to troubleshoot it.
There is no reason why a wireless SB3 that is 20ft. from the server in
the same room, away from any microwave or wireless phone, on a wireless
channel that no other Wifi are using in or around your
spooky;268120 Wrote:
In my unexperienced opinion
most all the posters are giving good advice
especially giving the unit a fixed ip
and the initiator of the thread is also correct
these units are buggy!!
If you haven't tried it yet; do a hard reset:
unplug the unit and press the plus(+)
How has your (OP) hunt for a solution come. Have you tried connecting
the SB3 via wired yet?
I understand your frustration with people immediately blaming something
else. However this is a complex system and many things can cause it
issues and all anyone here is trying to do is isolate where
mik63;268247 Wrote:
I have had the same situation for months and no serious attempt from
Logitech to troubleshoot it.
Have you reported this to our Technical Support group, either by phone
or email? If you have, please provide me with the number(s) for your
support ticket and I'll have
radish;268251 Wrote:
If you are getting stuttering when the buffer is at 100% it's nothing to
do with the network, wireless or otherwise. You have another problem,
and to be honest it's not one I've ever seen before. Do you get the
stutters at the same point on tracks? The only thing I can
slwiser;268249 Wrote:
I am going to have to do the IP thing I think. I have not done that
yet.
I may have missed your post, in which case I apologise. But have you
tried it with a cable?
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mik63;268247 Wrote:
There is no reason why a wireless SB3 that is 20ft. from the server in
the same room, away from any microwave or wireless phone, on a wireless
channel that no other Wifi are using in or around your house, while
nobody else is using the wireless but the SB3, with the
In my unexperienced opinion
most all the posters are giving good advice
especially giving the unit a fixed ip
and the initiator of the thread is also correct
these units are buggy!!
If you haven't tried it yet; do a hard reset:
unplug the unit and press the plus(+) button on the remote
while
mik63 wrote:
There is no reason why a wireless SB3 that is 20ft. from the server in
the same room, away from any microwave or wireless phone, on a wireless
channel that no other Wifi are using in or around your house
Have you run kismet on your network? Grantd, I'd just hook up an
ethernet
mik63;268247 Wrote:
There is no reason why a wireless SB3 that is 20ft. from the server in
the same room, away from any microwave or wireless phone, on a wireless
channel that no other Wifi are using in or around your house, while
nobody else is using the wireless but the SB3, with the
Do you have the same problems if you connect the SB to your router with
an ether net cable? Wifi is a remarkably troublesome protocol, with a
lot of variation in performance/behaviour across different makes of
router (and SB has to try an accommodate as many of these as possible).
Is your router
I have done everything I can think of to get my SB working so that it
does not stop randomly on the wireless end. All I want is a simple
feed that is reliable and the SB3 is not. A simple stable feed that
where I can listen without having to keep it working by doing resets of
the audio chip,
For heavens sake calm down.
We are trying to help. The SB is almost certainly NOT the problem.
Have you run the network test? What bandwidth are you getting?
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Why is transcoding needed when I use native format for the SB3?
You never said what you were using - so all we can do is guess what may
be a problem. For examp[le although WMA is supported it is only the
lossy version, if you are using WMA lossless then transcoding is
needed.
How about
Phil Leigh;267644 Wrote:
For heavens sake calm down.
We are trying to help. The SB is almost certainly NOT the problem.
Have you run the network test? What bandwidth are you getting?
4000 at 100% then it starts down below 100%.
Signal strength between 85 an 60%.
20 feet away from an
Connection with a wire is only a test to isolate the problem - it is not
the long term solution.
Some servers (i.e. NAS) are underpowered when user have formats that
need transcoding and so you get a stop/start playing.
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smc2911;267632 Wrote:
Do you have the same problems if you connect the SB to your router with
an ether net cable? Wifi is a remarkably troublesome protocol, with a
lot of variation in performance/behaviour across different makes of
router (and SB has to try an accommodate as many of these as
Did you test with a wired connection to confirm the problem is with the
wifi and not the server ?
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bpa;267640 Wrote:
Connection with a wire is only a test to isolate the problem - it is not
the long term solution.
Some servers (i.e. NAS) are underpowered when user have formats that
need transcoding and so you get a stop/start playing.
I did not understand this post. What is NAS? Why
I had problems for months with 6.5.4 it never ran stable on my WIN XP
machine.
I realy tried everything regards network.
The support is parroting the it is your network mantra for about 4
weeks before you get anywhere
My remedy in the end was:
In order of importance
SC7.0 (uppgrade to latest
slwiser;267648 Wrote:
4000 at 100% then it starts down below 100%.
Signal strength between 85 an 60%.
20 feet away from router.
FLAC files.
I have a Lynksys WRT45GS working with version 4.70.6 firmware. I have
upgraded the SB3 firmware to 86. I am using the new SqueezeCenter
Actually, before we go any further you need to eliminate the wi-fi
completely from being the problem. Bear in mind that wi-fi is about as
flaky as technology gets right now!
Can you wire the SB directly to the server and see if it works fine -
just as a test. If this works then the wi-fi (or
Phil Leigh;267651 Wrote:
OK good. Sounds like the network is basically OK.
What about the server PC? any sign of CPU spikes?
Intel duo-core running 2.4 gHz with 4 gigs of main memory where only
3.2 is usable. Dell XPS 210 computer. 500 GB internal hard drive where
files are located. No
autopilot;267659 Wrote:
Personally, i dont know why people bother to help people that would
write a title like that and respond to peoples offer of help in such a
manor. The 'most people have no problems, but i do so therefore the
product sucks' attitude and just flipping on people that try
OK good. Sounds like the network is basically OK.
What about the server PC? any sign of CPU spikes?
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Summary so far is that I have a whole lot more to look at than the
support ever attempted to suggest. It seems that most of the things
that I have done are in line with what has been suggested. I just need
to go through them more closely to see if anything else is in these post
to check on that
Delete me.
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You can set a fixed IP address and if it outside the range of your DHCP
server, then it will not affect the other wireless devices.
Personally, I think you should try the wired SB test first to isolate
the problem to wifi or not. All you need to do is carry SB3 to the
router, wire it in and use
What devices do you have apart from the SB, Router and Server PC?
is ANYTHING else connected to your network?
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slwiser;267662 Wrote:
Answer me this: Is it possible to setup a fixed IP for SB and let
everything else float?
Absolutely.
-Assuming- your W45G is your DHCP server, just look at that box to see
what range the server is assigning to DHCP clients.
Also assuming a class C network (192.168.1.NNN)
slwiser;267662 Wrote:
It is just that the solution is always someone else's problem and not
what is not workingthis is frustration at work for my part for
sure. This has been going on for a long time. I got my unit back in
Nov and have yet to have a stable SB.
The almost mythical
slwiser wrote:
Is the Squeezebox ideal just a pipe dream or is there another vendor's
music streamer that works?
I wish some of the forum users would stop using immature inflammatory
topic titles...
Regards,
Peter
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Peter;267683 Wrote:
slwiser wrote:
Is the Squeezebox ideal just a pipe dream or is there another
vendor's
music streamer that works?
I wish some of the forum users would stop using immature inflammatory
topic titles...
Regards,
Peter
Moderator just remove the last part of
Phil Leigh;267671 Wrote:
just set the sb and server outside of the DHCP range.
Yes, my DHCP server has a range reserved already and it would be easy
to select something outside that range BUT:
How is this done? setting the SB IP address.
I checked in SqueezeCenter and found no place for
Phil Leigh;267671 Wrote:
yes that is what I do - fixed ip for the sb and the server, DHCP for
everything else. I find this avoids some problems.
Your router will let you set the DHCP range - just set the sb and
server outside of the DHCP range. You shopuld do this before we go any
slwiser;267695 Wrote:
Yes, my DHCP server has a range reserved already and it would be easy to
select something outside that range BUT:
How is this done? setting the SB IP address.
I checked in SqueezeCenter and found no place for this option.
It's not in SC...do it on the player
Why bother reconfiguring the whole network?, just do the cable test as
others have suggested then people will be able to help you get it
working.
Craig
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I'm pretty sure you're talking about DHCP reservations.
Go into your W45 with your browser - just put the address of the W in
your browser address bar. It's -probably- 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1.
You will be asked for a password. Being a Linksys, the default is
-probably- admin/admin or
slwiser;267629 Wrote:
They are no other wireless signals going on right now in my area so
there is no interference. I am up early and no one in the house or
neighborhood this is not the reason for the unit stopping. Therefore,
it must be the unit or the fault in the design of the music
Poorly implemented pipe dream is a little extreme...
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Peter;267683 Wrote:
I wish some of the forum users would stop using immature inflammatory
topic titles...
Regards,
Peter
Now *that's* a pipe dream
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slwiser;267662 Wrote:
It is just that the solution is always someone else's problem and not
what is not workingthis is frustration at work for my part for
sure. This has been going on for a long time. I got my unit back in
Nov and have yet to have a stable SB.
The almost mythical
Phil Leigh;267706 Wrote:
It's not in SC...do it on the player settings via the remote
Will the router automatically find the SQ with the new IP this way? I
thought the router controlled access not the device itself?
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slwiser;267892 Wrote:
Will the router automatically find the SQ with the new IP this way? I
thought the router controlled access not the device itself?
On a local network the router isn't doing anything, the devices are
responsible for knowing their own IP addresses and communicating with
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