Re: [discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
On Mer 30 mars 2005 3:16, Christian Einfeldt a écrit : I must admit that as a simple end user who really loves OOo, I find myself worried that knowledgable programmers are concerned. On the other hand, I also see that one person commented that Apache uses Java, or can use Java, and so I'm

[discuss] Engineering mode works in Calc

2005-03-30 Thread Claus Agerskov
Earlier this month Peter Knudsen ask for engineering notation in Calc. In issue 5930 the registred OpenOffice.org user nn wrote this: Actually the total number of integer digits, # and 0, is counted. 0.00E+00 and #.00E+00 are equivalent, and ###.0E+00, ##0.0E+00 and 000.0E+00 all force

Re: [discuss] Engineering mode works in Calc

2005-03-30 Thread Niklas Nebel
Claus Agerskov wrote: Earlier this month Peter Knudsen ask for engineering notation in Calc. In issue 5930 the registred OpenOffice.org user nn wrote this: Actually the total number of integer digits, # and 0, is counted. 0.00E+00 and #.00E+00 are equivalent, and ###.0E+00, ##0.0E+00 and

Re: [discuss] Engineering mode works in Calc

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Niklas Nebel wrote: That's how it's supposed to be, and how it's handled elsewhere. We don't have support for engineering number formats yet. This remains an open enhancement issue, and I (nn, that's me) added that comment to clarify what we need to do. Btw, thank you for our work Niklas.

Re: [discuss] Engineering mode works in Calc

2005-03-30 Thread Claus Agerskov
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Niklas Nebel wrote: Claus Agerskov wrote: Earlier this month Peter Knudsen ask for engineering notation in Calc. In issue 5930 the registred OpenOffice.org user nn wrote this: Actually the total number of integer digits, # and 0, is counted. 0.00E+00 and

[discuss] Engineering mode still doesn't work in Calc

2005-03-30 Thread Claus Agerskov
It still doesn't work. I just tested with a small sample of numbers - too small to recognize that it doesn't work for all numbers. Sorry to have misinformed you. The most enjoyable greetings -- Claus AgerskovKan jeg, så kan du også Helper/HjælperHenrik Dahl i

Re: [discuss] Engineering mode works in Calc

2005-03-30 Thread Niklas Nebel
Daniel Carrera wrote: Btw, thank you for our work Niklas. :-) OOoAuthors is making the Calc Guide, and we're all very happy with Calc 2.0 Good work! Glad you like it. :-) Niklas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [discuss] Engineering mode works in Calc

2005-03-30 Thread Ian Lynch
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 14:02, Niklas Nebel wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: Btw, thank you for our work Niklas. :-) OOoAuthors is making the Calc Guide, and we're all very happy with Calc 2.0 Good work! Glad you like it. :-) Niklas We all like it :-) Well nearly all ;-) You probably just

[discuss] Open-Source Future For Java Enterprise System?

2005-03-30 Thread Claus Agerskov
In the article Open-Source Future For Java Enterprise System? from Information Week stated that Sun will release Java Enterprise System as open source this summer: http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=159907676tid=5979 Will the JRE also be open source then? The

Re: [discuss] Open-Source Future For Java Enterprise System?

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Nicu Buculei wrote: this is a description of what JES is: http://www.sun.com/software/javaenterprisesystem/compare.xml it does not look at all related to JRE. use Java Desktop System as an example, it is already Open Source, but is related to Java only for branding reasons. Sun seems

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

2005-03-30 Thread Smoot Carl-Mitchell
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 23:20 -0500, Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The colors are so KEWL! It's very cool looking! Part of me died inside. Welcome to marketing. :-) -- Smoot Carl-Mitchell System/Network Architect email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: +1 602 421 9005 home: +1 480 922

[discuss] Re: OO Impress 1.9.m87 issues

2005-03-30 Thread Chuck
Stephan Gromer wrote: There is indeed some progress on the performance side, however some effects are still terribly slow and I found anotehr bug too. Significant Performance problems still exists with [...] Have you filed an issue? Now I did, hopefully not causing any confusion. Issue

[discuss] Re: OO Impress 1.9.m87 issues

2005-03-30 Thread Chuck
I have notification turned on. We use bugzilla at work and I was aware of that feature when I created my account and filed the issue. I think it's like you said, there's a lot of testing going on and a lot of issues being filed. It takes time to look at them all. Rich wrote: if anybody will do

Re: [discuss] Corel's Word Perfect Office 12 in Government

2005-03-30 Thread CPHennessy
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 04:12, Kevin Cullis wrote: Hi all, Where are we on being able to filter WordPerfect docs to OO? Have a look at the latest OOo 2.0 betas. -- CPH : openoffice.org contributor Maybe your question has been answered already?

Re: [discuss] Love at first site

2005-03-30 Thread CPHennessy
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 22:51, + Ovi Anton wrote: [ MODERATED ] *** Hello discuss, I am an Acces 97 end user and I looked for an equivalent (on 602 suite, koffice, Open Office 1.4.., etc.) for a long time ago, when started to search others OS and I found Linux

Re: [discuss] Envelope printing

2005-03-30 Thread CPHennessy
On Thursday 24 March 2005 13:58, + John Layne wrote: [ MODERATED ] I am currently experimenting with 2.0 beta and notice the lack of an icon for envelope printing. I print lots of individual envelopes with the word processor and it would be very handy to have an icon for

[discuss] No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Enrique
Hi, There have been a lot of discussion in these newsgroups about the association of MSO .doc, .xsl etc files with OOo when installing OOo. Before releasing OOo 2.0 I would propose something radical: Just give up that dialoge and making NO association at all at install time between OOo and MSo

Re: [discuss] No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Enrique wrote: Before releasing OOo 2.0 I would propose something radical: Just before a release is not the time to propose something radical. Even if you convince everyone, inc the developers, that droping this dialog and functionality is a good idea. The issue is that we are in the *beta*

Re: [discuss] No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread James Walker
Daniel Carrera wrote: Enrique wrote: Before releasing OOo 2.0 I would propose something radical: Just before a release is not the time to propose something radical. Even if you convince everyone, inc the developers, that droping this dialog and functionality is a good idea. The issue is

Re: [discuss] No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread James Walker
Daniel Carrera wrote: James Walker wrote: Leave the dialog there, but make the text more understandable. This was discussed before and an Issue was filed, I do believe. but I cannot find it now. If you feel this is important, please do find that issue. Or file a new one. However, the UI

[discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Enrique
OK, Daniel. I posted here, not in IZ, to avoid developer distraction. Cheers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Enrique wrote: I posted here, not in IZ, to avoid developer distraction. You said you were proposing something. I responded to the proposal. Cheers, -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org |

Re: [discuss] No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Tony Pursell
On 30 Mar 2005 at 14:11, James Walker wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: James Walker wrote: Leave the dialog there, but make the text more understandable. This was discussed before and an Issue was filed, I do believe. but I cannot find it now. If you feel this is

Re: [discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Rod Engelsman wrote: Uhhmm... yes it does. It looks very clear to me. It says that OOo will automatically open those file types. It's not. At least not to new users. What's not clear from the wording is whether or not you will be able to open MSO files *at all* if you do not check the

[discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Enrique
Daniel Carrera wrote: Now, if you can bring down this UI change to just changing a string, that has a better chance of success. If you can do that, please file an issue. OK, Daniel, I was trying to save people like you, regular posters in these newsgroups, quite a lot or work if OOo 2.0 is

Re: [discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Enrique wrote: Do you see as feasible at this stage to add something like this to that wording: If you check these boxes OpenOffice 2.0 will replace Microsoft applications when opening those files. You will not be able to launch Microsoft applications by doubleclicking in that files.

Re: [discuss] No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Tony Pursell
On 30 Mar 2005 at 15:19, Daniel Carrera wrote: Tony Pursell wrote: I thought more was going to be done to avoid it and I am amazed that we still have a setup dialog that virtually invites people to do what they don't really want to do But why didn't you say this before the UI freeze?

[discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Rod Engelsman
Daniel Carrera wrote: Tony Pursell wrote: I thought more was going to be done to avoid it and I am amazed that we still have a setup dialog that virtually invites people to do what they don't really want to do But why didn't you say this before the UI freeze? I saw the OOo snapshot before the

Re: [discuss] No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Tony Pursell wrote: But on a more constructive note, my suggestion for the wording would be: OOo 1.9.79 can be made the default application for opening the following file types. This means that if you click on one of these files, OOo will open it, not the Microsoft progam that opens it now.

Re: [discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Ian Lynch
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 22:35, Rod Engelsman wrote: Daniel Carrera wrote: Tony Pursell wrote: I thought more was going to be done to avoid it and I am amazed that we still have a setup dialog that virtually invites people to do what they don't really want to do But why didn't

Re: [discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Rod Engelsman wrote: That is *really* disingenuous, Daniel. This problem has been discussed for *over three years*. UI freeze, my ass! That was before the UI freeze for 1.1 for God's sake!! 1) Rod, please calm down. 2) Please read what I've said again. People complained about the dialog.

[discuss] updates

2005-03-30 Thread AdrianGreeman
Does the version offered as 2.0 beta constantly change or is it always 1.9.79 -- that is, how do I get the later versions and should I? And will the download go into an RC sequence at some point as with OOo.1 ? Thanks Adrian

Re: [discuss] updates

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hello Adrian, Does the version offered as 2.0 beta constantly change or is it always 1.9.79 -- that is, how do I get the later versions and should I? The snapshots change every other week or so. The latest one is 1.9.87. One of the snapshots was called OOo 2.0 beta. After a few more

Re: [discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Tony Pursell
I've tested this out on my wife. She's been a computer user for many years and has also done some IT support work in the past. But she doesn't have the mistrust of computer systems that 30+ years of software development (plus a degree in Psychology) has given me. So when the dialog cam up,

Re: [discuss] No-break

2005-03-30 Thread Mr Rigel Anrndt
--- John W. Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why, o why, o why, o why, o WHY can we not have a simple do not break character attribute? I'm working right now on transcribing an 18th-century document full of Mr. Sh and the like (actually, that's two em dashes), and I can find

[discuss] Re: No-break

2005-03-30 Thread Rod Engelsman
John W. Kennedy wrote: Why, o why, o why, o why, o WHY can we not have a simple do not break character attribute? I'm working right now on transcribing an 18th-century document full of Mr. Sh and the like (actually, that's two em dashes), and I can find absolutely no way to prevent

Re: [discuss] Open-Source Future For Java Enterprise System?

2005-03-30 Thread Christian Einfeldt
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 06:22, Ian Lynch wrote: On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 15:16, Daniel Carrera wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: this is a description of what JES is: http://www.sun.com/software/javaenterprisesystem/compare.xml it does not look at all related to JRE. use Java Desktop

Re: [discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 18:33:21 PM -0500, Chad Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This whole conversation is beyond me. Java is free, as in beer, it can be used by anyone on any computer on any platform in the world Why anyone would exclude it for some stupid political reason is beyond my

Re: [discuss] Re: No-break

2005-03-30 Thread John W. Kennedy
Rod Engelsman wrote: John W. Kennedy wrote: Why, o why, o why, o why, o WHY can we not have a simple do not break character attribute? I'm working right now on transcribing an 18th-century document full of Mr. Sh and the like (actually, that's two em dashes), and I can find absolutely

[discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread Rod Engelsman
You know, this sort of thing crops up again and again... A mother buys an ice cream sundae. It has chocolate sauce and whipped cream on it. Yummy! Hands it to her little boy, who looks at it and screams, What's the matter b, no cherry!!? Here we have a corporation that acquires a major

Re: [discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 23:58:49 PM -0600, Rod Engelsman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Only fly in the ointment is that some small parts of the code are dependent on a proprietary, though freely distributed, software that this same company owns. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough in the past,

Re: [discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 08:21:30 AM +0200, io ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It's the some small parts of the code attitude, with all its implications, that makes me uneasy. This is the complete answer I gave Bruce on this specific point when he asked for my opinion: Just to make it clearer: I

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

2005-03-30 Thread Peter Kupfer
Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an icon (iconic) that you can click on to switch (switching) between (between) the different interfaces of OOo (modes). In other words, the little deally that lets me go from Writer to Calc to

Re: [discuss] Re: No-break

2005-03-30 Thread Peter Kupfer
Rod Engelsman wrote: John W. Kennedy wrote: Rod Engelsman wrote: John W. Kennedy wrote: Why, o why, o why, o why, o WHY can we not have a simple do not break character attribute? [snip] Has an issue been filed? I would vote for it. It couldn't show up until v 2.1 at the earliest, but the

Re: [discuss] Open-Source Future For Java Enterprise System?

2005-03-30 Thread Cyrille Moureaux
Hi Christian, Actually, I think that this is where Sun might be a bit misunderstood. Let's see if you guys agree with me. Sun has produced a number of different products which you might call environmental products, that is, products which are intended to seed the environment to change the

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

2005-03-30 Thread Ian Lynch
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 00:32, Chad Smith wrote: Welcome to marketing. :-) Seriously. It was like his company had paid many multiple thousands of dollars for the company-wide upgrade, and what do their employees say Wow! That's pretty! I like pretty colors and I love good UI. But

Re: [discuss] Re: No more file association to MSO when installing

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Tony Pursell wrote: I've tested this out on my wife. She's been a computer user for many years and has also done some IT support work in the past. But she doesn't have the mistrust of computer systems that 30+ years of software development (plus a degree in Psychology) has given me.

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

2005-03-30 Thread Chad Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the iconic switching between modes (I love that one). What does this mean? There is an icon (iconic) that you can click on to switch (switching) between (between) the different interfaces of OOo (modes). In other words, the

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

2005-03-30 Thread Chad Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 23:20 -0500, Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The colors are so KEWL! It's very cool looking! Part of me died inside. Welcome to marketing. :-) Seriously. It was like his company had paid many multiple thousands of dollars for

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

2005-03-30 Thread Chad Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's not what you are saying - it's how you are saying that. it would have been enough to say that you personally have no need for position remembering. trying to fight against a feature in every thread seems... slightly exaggerated. it's also the same with all flames

Re: [discuss] your private showstopper

2005-03-30 Thread Chad Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... the new paste-special shortcut Yeah, I forgot to mention that one. That thing changed the way I live. I've added that to every word processing program I use. That's the coolest little trick ever! and now imagine that

Re: [discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread Chad Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The concerns are not overstated, quite the contrary. Today the silliest python app will have less difficulty being included in a Linux distribution than any given major java app. Does anyone have numbers on this? Is OOo the most often included office suite on Linux or

Re: [discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread Daniel Carrera
Chad Smith wrote: This whole conversation is beyond me. Java is free, as in beer, it can be used by anyone on any computer on any platform in the world... Disclaimer: Anything I say could be totally wrong. :-) Not quite. It's not even free in /that/ sense of the word. In particular, Linux

[discuss] Re: [users] StarOffice

2005-03-30 Thread hackmiester
Ah, well that's cool too. I guess that means that if I get SO then there is no learning curve? I might try that out... On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:28:39 +0100, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 30 March 2005 16:12, hackmiester wrote: Is OO.o derived from StarOffice? No, it's the

Re: [discuss] Envelope printing

2005-03-30 Thread John Layne
Works great! Thanks very much. John - Original Message - From: CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss@openoffice.org; John Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [discuss] Envelope printing On Thursday 24 March 2005 13:58, + John Layne wrote: [

[discuss] Re: Java fallout: OO.o 2.0 and the FOSS community

2005-03-30 Thread Bruce Byfield
Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have numbers on this? Is OOo the most often included office suite on Linux or is it not? Well, about the only distribution I've heard of that doesn't include it is Slackware. However, inclusion isn't the issue, since most distros also include

[discuss] No-break

2005-03-30 Thread John W. Kennedy
Why, o why, o why, o why, o WHY can we not have a simple do not break character attribute? I'm working right now on transcribing an 18th-century document full of Mr. Sh and the like (actually, that's two em dashes), and I can find absolutely no way to prevent Sh being broken if it