On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 19:17:24 +1300
Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I personally think this is a stupid idea.
Let me start by saying that I'm not a M$ troll. Don't like the company
nor the products, I'm into Open Source and always be. Love OOo and
have done so for several years now. However
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:05:16 +0100
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've found this bug in OO.o, please fix it soon, as it is it makes my
work so much slower and we can't afford proprietary SW. Imagine how
idiotic it would have been to say please fix this yourself if it
bothers you so
Hello Enrique.
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:31:06 +
Enrique Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, you are right. I am _not_ saying that OpenOffice.org is buggy
because it is opensource, not at all. In fact my criticism to
OpenOffice.org bugfixing/developing model is, basically, that it is
too
Gianluca Turconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Then, there is the little question he has written on The Guardian
Unlimited. When you write on a newspaper (site), you
cannot not write /nearly all/ or /some part/ of the truth.
You must write *the* truth because you're not
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 10:15:55 AM +0100, Gianluca Turconi
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:05:16 +0100
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've found this bug in OO.o, please fix it soon, as it is it makes my
work so much slower and we can't afford proprietary SW. Imagine
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:42:01 +0100
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you think you've seen in OOo or Novell Evolution are only clues
and not evidences of a general problem.
No, sorry again. Please remember to not take this personally, but
think you've seen my foot. I have been
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 11:11:00 AM +0100, Gianluca Turconi
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the things I have bee hearing for years on these lists from
the actual volunteers (not just users like me) is exactly the fact
that it is almost impossible to
On Dim 11 décembre 2005 11:55, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 11:11:00 AM +0100, Gianluca Turconi
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Same thing for Mozilla or Gnome, I think.
Yes, of course the same problems in any big project.
OO.o is competing with all the other foss projects for
2005/11/9, Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
I think it's obvious to anyone
that such ideas as with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow is
something between wildly misleading and utter crap. It certainly doesn't
apply to OOo. Assume, for the sake of argument, that OOo's Marketing
project
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 12:25:21 PM +0100, Henrik Sundberg
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
2005/11/9, Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
I think it's obvious to anyone that such ideas as with enough
eyeballs, all bugs are shallow is something between wildly
misleading and utter crap. It
On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 20:58 +, Andrew Brown wrote:
I'm not a coder either. I have written some small macros that no one else
did first. But I do think it's clear that the open source model is not
universally applicable.
Did anyone ever think that it was? Well perhaps RMS and a few
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 10:22 +, Andrew Brown wrote:
But, again, almost all of this is catchup. Supplying dictionaries, spell-
checkers, proper documentation, user support, and so on, is tremendously
important, ad, when it is complete, will bring the program up to the
level that MS Office
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 11:55 +0100, M. Fioretti
I have just seen these complaints posted several times here and in
other fora by several people who want(ed) to be real active
volunteers, couldn't managed to be heard and eventually gave up or did
it outside the official OOo community. It's
On 12/11/05, Henrik Sundberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me this sounds like:
Just a few volunteers have contributed to OOo.
That is not many eyeballs.
Therefore with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow is not valid for
OOo.
Therefore with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow is
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:48:08 -, Gianluca Turconi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:42:01 +0100
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you think you've seen in OOo or Novell Evolution are only clues
and not evidences of a general problem.
No, sorry again. Please
2005/12/11, Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Dim 11 décembre 2005 11:55, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 11:11:00 AM +0100, Gianluca Turconi
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Same thing for Mozilla or Gnome, I think.
Yes, of course the same problems in any big project.
OO.o is
2005/12/11, Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 12/11/05, Henrik Sundberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me this sounds like:
Just a few volunteers have contributed to OOo.
That is not many eyeballs.
Therefore with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow is not valid for
OOo.
Therefore
On 12/11/05, Henrik Sundberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If an eyeball should be used to make a bug shallow, it must (most
often) be directed towards the code. I therefor agree with the way
Andrew counts eyeballs (or pairs of them).
oh, well then, yes, I'd say that there probably haven't been
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:22:34 + (UTC)
Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, again, almost all of this is catchup. Supplying dictionaries,
spell- checkers, proper documentation, user support, and so on, is
tremendously important, ad, when it is complete, will bring the
program up to
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:41:31 +0100
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I couldn't care less which one is more important. Why change the
subject? The problem is how naive it is to assume that:
a) you could fix the source yourself is still a valid and polite
answer to give to free
On 12/11/05, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun December 11 2005 06:17, Paul wrote:
I personally think this is a stupid idea.
+2
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:22:44 -
Alexandro Colorado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gianluca, this answer is normal, and I guess that is the answer you
are going to get from every open source component. Open source is a
meritocracy so managers and technologist are not really considerate
unless
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 18:38:34 PM +0100, Gianluca Turconi
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
There's is no evidence the open source model can scale for desktop
applications. At the same time, there's no evidence it cannot.
We're talking about assumptions (clues) and not evidences.
90% or more of the
Henrik Sundberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm slightly confused by what you've said here. I think that eyeballs
refers to people looking at the program. OOo has *plenty* of eyeballs.
According to the Stats page, Over 53 million sets of eyeballs.
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:20051211181758.GC28676
@mclink.it:
from your words it seems FOSS projects have the *duty* to satisfy
whatever need of whatever user.
No, I don't think so at all, sorry for the misunderstanding. FOSS
developers or projects do *not* have that duty
2005/12/11, M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 18:38:34 PM +0100, Gianluca Turconi
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
There's is no evidence the open source model can scale for desktop
applications. At the same time, there's no evidence it cannot.
We're talking about assumptions
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 19:52:46 PM +0100, Henrik Sundberg
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
2005/12/11, M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
90% or more of the current users of: web browsers, email clients,
office productivity suites, IM clients, MP3/video players and similar
are and will remain unable
I finally understand your point! Thank you for describing it so well.
So the question is: How can an open source development be improved to
give the normal user the best experience?
(normal = normal in the complete, non discriminating, user group)
I think this ought to be no more difficult for
Andrew Brown wrote:
Well, you're both right. I mean that eyeballs finding bugs does not
translate to eyeballs capable of fixing them. There may be some comment by
Eric Raymond about this over on my blog. I can't remember. In any case, his
argument was -- I think -- that users don't have
I am wondering if there is any current way to set up a Dual Save feature in
Open Office. It seems like such an easy, vital feature which (thus far
anyway) I've been unable to find. It would be great to simply click on the
Save button and know that my document is being simultaneously saved in
2005/12/11, techwrite [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am wondering if there is any current way to set up a Dual Save feature in
Open Office. It seems like such an easy, vital feature which (thus far
anyway) I've been unable to find. It would be great to simply click on the
Save button and know that my
There is the ability to have a copy saved 'as backup' to a location
that you specify. The 'backup' setting can be changed by looking that
what is set under tools options.
When discussing saving more than the original copy and the backup copy
(if you wanted to have it saved 3 or more times, or
2005/12/2, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sigrid Kronenberger wrote:
Yes, there is definitely a simple way to do this. You can download the
language-file from the place, you've already found.
I noticed there is no en_US package there. Well, there are two with
close names, but they are
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:53:49 +0100
Henrik Sundberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2005/12/11, techwrite [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am wondering if there is any current way to set up a Dual Save
feature in Open Office. It seems like such an easy, vital feature
which (thus far anyway) I've been unable
Hello
Is anyone using CosmoPOD.com ?
I have heard it is back with improvements to the site (including a
support forum), and they have upgraded OpenOffice.org to 2.0.
I guess what I/we would like to know is it something that we wish to
promote and or recommend to our friends, family and
On 12/11/05, Jacqueline McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello
Is anyone using CosmoPOD.com ?
I am, now that I just found out about it. :-)
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On 12/11/05, Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm agin it as well. My reasons are that linux and FOSS are about
freedom. Not just free software, but freedom of speech. One of the basic
rights in theory of the free world.
That's ironic if you're living in the US - where the media is
On 12/11/05, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice idea, but are you willing to be the moderator and to give the
appropriate
amount of time each day ( at least 1 hour) to do this ?
Shouldn't someone at Sun do that?
RM
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:35:29 +0900
Roger Markus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/11/05, Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm agin it as well. My reasons are that linux and FOSS are about
freedom. Not just free software, but freedom of speech. One of the
basic rights in theory of the
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