Re: [discuss] very disappointed to see easter-egg in a free-software

2006-02-06 Thread Lars D . Noodén
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Armin Theissen wrote: Lars D. Noodén wrote: binary is not a reasonable nor realistic option. There needs to be a way

Re: [discuss] ODT becomes ZIP on download in Windows XP Pro SP2

2006-01-29 Thread Lars D . Noodén
It's probably worth making a bug report to apache so that the correct configuration is part of the package. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open.

[discuss] OOo in the news

2006-01-22 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I can't find the link to part one, but here's part two: Matt Leppard. Getting away from the Office (part two) Bangkok Post. 18 Jan 2006. http://www.bangkokpost.com/180106_Database/18Jan2006_datacol11.php -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger

Re: [discuss] Re: Short list with Pro's Cons

2006-01-19 Thread Lars D . Noodén
But as I understand it, and speak up with corrections, MOOX and the earlier MS XML formats are incomplete and that they are a marketing response to OpenDocument's development. That is you cannot take what MS has documented and implement a working format, too many key components are wrapped up

Re: [discuss] Re: Short list with Pro's Cons

2006-01-19 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I've only had a few problems with corruption of compressed files, these have been due to media failure. e.g. floppy disks over 8 years old, Iomega zip disks over 6 and home-burned CDs over 14 months old. Those last ones rather pissed me off. I bought some new CD-Rs and burned some backups

Re: [discuss] Re: Short list with Pro's Cons

2006-01-19 Thread Lars D . Noodén
That figure may have been for pressed CDs, not ones you burn. The ones you burn only last a few years, tops, significantly less than tape. Tape, when properly stored and actively maintained, can last up to 15 years. I notice that the last week or so there was an article or two quoting

Re: [discuss] Re: Short list with Pro's Cons

2006-01-18 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Chuck, my short list is * cross platform * supports OpenDocument natively * supports long documents better than the competition * better support for styles than competition * translated to over 80 languages In general I've found it to have better support for older versions of MS formats. (The

Re: [discuss] Short list with Pro's Cons

2006-01-18 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I've noticed that some of the larger spreadsheets I have can take upwards of two minutes to save. If this went on in the background it would be more tolerable. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the

[discuss] Scripting in OOo Calc

2006-01-13 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Where can I find some clear, uptodate descriptions of how to write scripts for OOo Calc? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open.

Re: [discuss] Sooner or Later

2006-01-12 Thread Lars D . Noodén
the patent on XML serialization would be one problem but there are thousands of others. Most stuff from text books and even request for comments (RFCs) have been patented. As we see from the FAT case, prior are arguments just won't cut it. The legislation has to change. SW patent interests

[discuss] Becta announces schools IT reviews

2006-01-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Maybe Ian can comment more on this one: Becta announces schools IT reviews eGov Monitor. 9 Jan 2006. http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/4119 One review will examine the impact of Microsoft's dominance of the UK education market and whether it represents value for money, paying

Re: [discuss] Looking for Frontpage-like program in OO

2006-01-09 Thread Lars D . Noodén
If you are looking for a commercial program, then I'd recommend what the professionals use, that being either Dreamweaver or XMetal. The Mozilla Suite has a web-page editor that is a step up from MS FrontPage, but lacks the site maintenance extras. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [discuss] Looking for Frontpage-like program in OO

2006-01-09 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Thanks Morgan, I'm adding Nvu to my list of F/OSS programs for people to try -- despite the .com address ;) The FAQ says it's based on Mozilla Composer and that improvements do make their way back to the Mozilla code base. That's an added bonus. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [discuss] Cert report on operating system vulenablities...

2006-01-07 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Some class action suits might get MS to clean up its act somewhat, but at this point it'd be foolish to expect any change in their quality or business model. A more practical use of the class action suit would be to use it to fund a bootstrapping of desktop Linux / BSD / OS X / anything

Re: [discuss] Cert report on operating system vulenablities...

2006-01-07 Thread Lars D . Noodén
]) Software patents endanger the legal certainty of software. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: Saturday, January 7, 2006 Lars D. Noodén wrote: Some class action suits might get MS to clean up its act somewhat

[discuss] Complex grouping with Calc

2006-01-05 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I'm wondering which functions to look at on Calc to sort a single ordered column (of arbitrary length) into groups. The groups won't all be of the same size, but they will contain either six or seven entries each. Entries that are adjacent in the original column should not end up in the same

Re: [discuss] Article: University Rectors in Italy Promoting Proprietary Software

2005-12-21 Thread Lars D . Noodén
the market open. On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, M. Fioretti wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 05:54:25 AM -0500, Lars D. Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Many of these MS press releases and derivative articles aren't addressing the extreme proprietary nature of the MSO 2003 formats. Nor do they address

[discuss] Review of OOo in redOrbit

2005-12-20 Thread Lars D . Noodén
There is a review of OOo 2 in the technology column: http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/334983/houston_chronicle_computing_column/index.html?source=r_technology One item that comes up there and in other places is the comment that OpenDocument is not yet as widely adopted as the

Re: [discuss] Norwegian article on school software licensing

2005-12-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
That's what MS is about. But if the schools sign the contract, they are part of the problem. The deal apparently means that even Macintosh and Linux machines pay the MS tax. This is bad for OOo because many administrators thing that just because something came bundled with whatever

Re: [discuss] Norwegian article on school software licensing

2005-12-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
the Norwegian translation. Martin Hauge (representing the County of Møre and Romsdal) On 12/13/05, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenOffice.org got mentioned as starting to eat into MSO's marketshare in Norway. This was towards the end of an article about MS Norway pressing Norwegian

[discuss] OOo2 for OS X

2005-12-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Looking at the OpenOffice.org download page at Apple.com, I see that it was last updated in 2004 and contains only version 1.1.2: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/openoffice.html Who should I contact to get that fixed? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [discuss] Mass sides with MS

2005-12-14 Thread Lars D . Noodén
What I think? I think that all the articles covering that topic are reading way more into the statement than was actually said. There are a heck of a lot of ifs and plan tos there on the MS side of things.[1] The Massachusetts statement recognizes all that heavy use of the subjuntive case

Re: [discuss] Re: Reason's Why Part-4 (of 4)

2005-12-13 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Nice try at changing the subject. Critique cannot be dismissed as bashing simply because one dislikes it, especially if that critique is well founded and based on well-deocumented data including court decisions. The problem here is that the maker of the main competitor to OOo has achieved

[discuss] Norwegian article on school software licensing

2005-12-13 Thread Lars D . Noodén
OpenOffice.org got mentioned as starting to eat into MSO's marketshare in Norway. This was towards the end of an article about MS Norway pressing Norwegian schools to pay MS licensing fees on computers running non-MS systems and apps, regardless. The schools are working out a collective

Re: [discuss] Reason's Why Part-2 (of 4)

2005-12-12 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I was not able to find it either, but IIRC it was at Linux Insider, which seems to nowadays post occasionally from MS and SCO mouthpieces. However, here is a related article based on the same text: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2004/tc2004119_2895_tc024.htm A few

Re: [discuss] Reason's Why Part-1 (of 3)

2005-12-12 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Ian Lynch wrote: ... Countering a $360m a year propaganda machine for MSO is not that simple with no marketing budget. Its not a matter of despising anyone and use of evidence in such a way so as not to appear to be particularly emotive is often the best way to do

Re: [discuss] Reason's Why Part-1 (of 3)

2005-12-12 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The weasel word there is can. It does seem that the plea bargain is used to roust competing software from the targeted company and replace it with only MS apps and systems, regardless of the original mix whether closed or open source. Novell's been hit hard by that. That problem is also a

Re: [discuss] On the BSA and how to remove competition, was: that damn thread that should be closed, or at least re-titled..

2005-12-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Thanks for the English link (the Italian is interesting, too) I am wondering what the BSA and MS are doing in Sweden right now since the BSA is really, really stepping up activities there. Rather than letting them get as far there, it may be useful to try to get the whole organization

Re: [discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-05 Thread Lars D . Noodén
That matches a lot of my observations, especially management decisions involving ignoring non-MS options. The whole MS phenomenon makes sense only if you look at it from the perspective of a political or social / ideological movement. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software

Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Web Browser plugins :-)

2005-12-05 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Andrew, can you back up that claim, perhaps with a URL? I'd like to see the MS Office viewers for either Linux (any distro) or else OS X. I think that the existence of a free, lightweight viewer MS Office viewer is most likely an urban legend, since I have been unable to find MS Office

Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

2005-12-05 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Ingrid Marson. Open standards push Mannheim to Linux ZDNet UK 29 Nov 2005 http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020472,39238835,00.htm We migrated from Microsoft Exchange Server 2005 to Oracle Collaboration Suite because it [OCS] supports

[discuss] Stockholm to evaluate OOo / Novell's Linux Desktop

2005-11-28 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The city of Stockholm will be doing a technical evaluation of Novell's Linux Desktop which includes OpenOffice. The evaluation should be finished in March. The thought is to phase it (OOo ? or Novell's Linux ?) in on new machines. The article (in Swedish) is a bit unclear about the

Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-18 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: Viruses in e-mail are a problem specific to Windows. In fact, I don't know why they aren't simply called Windows viruses, as that is the only operating system left for which viruses are seen in the wild on a regular basis. Perhaps because people have

Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop

2005-11-17 Thread Lars D . Noodén
, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:07:50 -, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? Many people had run OOo on 64Mb of Ram. So no worries about

Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop

2005-11-17 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Ian Lynch wrote: Use Xara on Linux now its being Open Sourced. Its the fastest vector graphics tool of professional quality out there. Taking a guess at which package you mean I found a web site talking about being in the very early stages of begining to port to Linux and

Re: [discuss] Gates memo: The Internet is just a passing fad

2005-11-16 Thread Lars D . Noodén
In 1995 Mr gates was still calling the Internet just a passing fad. In 1999 I was still hearing certain diehard MS fans repeating that opinion as fact. It took ages to tract that one down. Like I said earlier it appears all part of a theme in a campaign to rewrite Gates' past and re-paint

Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop

2005-11-16 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Is OOo2 likely to run comfortably on those specs? Or will it need to be pared down and streamlined for OOo3 first? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market

[discuss] You've been trolled (was: Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes)

2005-11-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The list has been trolled and a lot of people fell for it. Right now Gates' PR firm is working hard to adjust the public's perception of him as an unscrupulous but clever business man who is always behind the curve, arrogant, condecending, reactionary and impatient. That latest memo is most

[discuss] Why not MSO formats?

2005-11-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Caleb Marcus wrote: [...] Why should we not use MSO formats? OOo can open them, and almost every other office suite. [...] Because they are currently not documented and the licensing is restrictive enough to make trouble. There are some XML-based formats for MSO in the

Re: [discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Or when MS fixes the interoperability bugs (e.g. with ODBC) in MS Office for the Macintosh. Right now OOo works many platforms not just Gates' own. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by

Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-14 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I, too, tried to look at tradeclient again, but don't run any of the supported platforms anymore. It may be time to dust it off and bring it up to date, many people have realized the mistake in getting caught in MS Outlook / Exchange / AD and are looking for a way back out. -Lars Lars Nooden

[discuss] EU Anti-trust battle

2005-11-14 Thread Lars D . Noodén
For those that have been wondering about the status of the anti-trust trial which seems to have been put on ice indefinitely, Financial Times has an update on EU anti-trust activities of the famous robber baron and his lobbyists:

Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-13 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Jonathon Blake wrote: Just what functionality does MSO + Outlook offer, that can not be replicated by using OOo + FireFox + ThunderBird + SunBird + the appropriate templates? [...] +1 Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all

[discuss] OOo in Thailand

2005-11-11 Thread Lars D . Noodén
OOo gets a mention towards the end of the article: http://www.bangkokpost.net/261005_Database/26Oct2005_data55.php -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the

Re: [discuss] Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Charlie's article mirrors my thoughts on the memo very closely: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27594 To me it's simply part of a campaign to keep the name in the headlines so that people (esp. editors) don't leave time for discussion of OO2, OpenDocument, Firefox, CPAN, etc...

Re: [discuss] Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Here is another analysis of the memos: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/gates_ozzie_memos/ My 2 cents: It's interesting to note the amount of apparent revisionist history going on indirectly through the 'leaked' memos and more overtly through put-up pieces. Back in 1995, when

Re: [discuss] Re: Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Thanks Martin and Nicu. Halloween I and II point out the importance of commoditized protocols, something which is relevant also to file formats and, ultimately, to OOo. There's been enough documented through court records, aritcles and press releases over the last decade to show the real

Re: [discuss] Battle Over Future of Open Document

2005-11-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
This is paralleled in France. The French tax agency figured out similar figures, also deciding that OOo is one order of magnitude cheaper. Another is that they gain control over the data encoded in OpenDocument, rather than letting a vendor drive new sales by dropping support for a format

[discuss] Network accessable storage

2005-11-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Ok so this is networked accessible storage. The back end could be AFS or something similar. I'm sure a plug-in or macro could be made for OOo should some financial support for such major storage be found. I bet the dept of homespun security would shell out some cash in exchange for a

Re: [discuss] Migrating legacy documents to OpenDocument

2005-11-09 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Thanks. The short answer seems to be to wait for an eventual MS Word 2.0 filter or to convert them by hand. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open.

Re: [discuss] Embedded list managment information

2005-11-09 Thread Lars D . Noodén
2005, CPHennessy wrote: On Fri November 4 2005 09:27, Lars D. Noodén wrote: The many OOo mailing lists currently embed list management information in the message headers. Can the 'list-archive' header be added to those, please? Accessing the archive of old messages is one of the more important

Re: [discuss] newsforge article on SO8: develop excellent softwsre, not mimick Microsoft -- opinions

2005-11-09 Thread Lars D . Noodén
One can still have a combined mail + calendar client without emulating the mistakes of MS. Whether OOo leaves that for other projects or starts yet another mail + calendar client project, there is the opportunity to design the interface (among other things) more correctly based usability and

[discuss] Migrating legacy documents to OpenDocument

2005-11-05 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I have quite a collection of documents in legacy formats that I am starting to migrate to OpenDocument. Right now I'm noticing some difficulty importing them into OOo2 for OS X. The files could be MS Word for Windows 2.0c from 1993 or MS Word 95 for MS Windows 95 from 1997. It's hard to

[discuss] Embedded list managment information

2005-11-04 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The many OOo mailing lists currently embed list management information in the message headers. Can the 'list-archive' header be added to those, please? Accessing the archive of old messages is one of the more important advantages of using list. That would provide a quick link to the lists

Re: [discuss] web page development

2005-11-04 Thread Lars D . Noodén
If you look at OOo Writer, there is the possibility to do that a little. The menu 'View' - 'Web Layout' should get you started. The Mozilla suite (http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/) also has a built in editor for single pages. If you are looking for something to manage a whole web

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-02 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Well it'd be great if IBM, Google, HP, Sun or anyone else could convince the media to take time from their three or four daily MS pieces, not counting put-up pieces, and cover the core issues or facts. I wouldn't even mind if they kept the negative spin on the articles, if they just stuck

Re: [discuss] Re: Re ZDNet article

2005-11-02 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I'm not talking about hype there, nor even specific reviews. What I am refering to is the frequency of put up pieces on anything and everything from MS. That's not a close vs open source issue, that's MS vs everybody issue. Those pieces give all appearances of being editorials masquerading

Re: [discuss] Re: Re ZDNet article

2005-11-02 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Since you bring up hype, I've not seen so much hype about OOo, but maybe I'm looking on the wrong lists or forums. Most review articles merely state some of the main advantages and disadvantages that the author finds important. Most of the hype, I've seen comes from the MS camp (i.e. anti-

Re: [discuss] Re: On HTML mail and paying per byte, was: OOo Writer with Outlook?

2005-11-02 Thread Lars D . Noodén
No one's stopping you from sending your sister large mails with bas64 encoded images and other things. She's not on the list. However, it's wrong to send attachments and HTML encoded mail to most mailing lists. For my part, I find that 99% of HTML messages are just spam. So on the

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Sam Hiser wrote: [snip] Adelstein has a paper on line about techniques for combating Disinformation [snip] What is the URL? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
not offer counter examples. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Sam Hiser wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 10:29 -0500, Lars D

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Robin Laing wrote: [snip] I just thought of something. Wasn't Microsoft's first document against Linux with FUD called the Halloween paper or something like that. :) [snip] They should be here, but have very recently moved. http://www.opensource.org/halloween/

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
It would hardly bear a response if it were an isolated incident, but if one looks outside the scope of just OOo, then it's about one a day. Sometimes it's more. ZDNet is not alone. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business.

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Be careful about getting dragged into the M$ alternate definitions of English words. There currently is no *standard* in use in Massachusetts. The current binary MS formats may certainly be ubiquitous, but are anything but standard. There are variations for each version of each package on

[discuss] marketing and debate (was: David Wheeler's commentary)

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Mark recommended a very instructive debate FAQ, though set in the context of theology it looks quite useful in dealing with some of the chaff being thrown out by much of the media on behalf of MS: Debate and logic FAQ http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html Much of the debate

Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad

2005-10-31 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Richard, The point is not that he is wrong or that most people disagree with him. The point is that his behaviour is rude, disruptive and antagonistic. Seemingly it is all on purpose. Many of the arguments seem just that, arguments for the sake of argument apparently in disregard to his own

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Daniel Carrera wrote: [snip] Microsoft is not claiming patents on any processes necessary to read or write .doc files. They just keep the format closed, change it on every release, and leave you to guess how it works. [snip] It was my understanding that the company has sw

Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
It's legal, but may I ask what prompts you to ask? There must be some origin for the doubt. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open. On Fri, 28

Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Brian Lunergan wrote: [snip] I'm not sure chucking him out is called for. My Org Behaviour course has been talking about behaviour modification in the workplace. We've all been rewarding his behaviour by being a good audience and responding every time he opens his mouth.

Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Very well written response, Marco, especially with the examples from the mail archive. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by writing your MEP, keep the market open.

[discuss] Calc should be like QuattroPro

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, Robin Laing wrote: [snip] But as I work on more complicated spreadsheets, I find that OOo lacks features that Excel (which I hate) has. I would prefer that Calc went towards Quattro Pro as this has been the best spreadsheet software package that I have ever used. So much

Re: [discuss] Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Robin, That would be a very interesting case study. Would you have the time and interest to write up the situation, the problems, and the reasons for selecting TeX and OOo? Maybe it could be on Newforge but, regardless, it would be a valuable an interesting resource on its own: It would

Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters

2005-10-30 Thread Lars D . Noodén
One of the common mistakes that draws people into that kind of pointless debate is equating Linux with all Open Source Software and equating MS with all closed source or proprietary software. There used to be very many excellent closed source tools on the market. Now there are not but a few

Re: [discuss] Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters

2005-10-28 Thread Lars D . Noodén
People buy MS products mostly because they're the only thing you *can* buy due to a lock on the OEMs. Probably a more cost effective step would be to first get the OEM contracts into the daylight. MS claims that they are 'trade secrets' or some such nonsense. Getting at those would be a

Re: [discuss] Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters

2005-10-27 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The MS XML format being counter-proposed by MS is not in use in any industry nor even in any product for sale today, not even MS' own. Please keep that important fact in sight, however irritating it may be. On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Andrew Brown wrote: MS make the industry standard file format.

[discuss] Article on vendor lock-in

2005-10-27 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The article covers the use of proprietary formats and digital restrictions managment technology to lock customers' own data into a single company's products. Neither OOo nor OpenDocument are named explicitly, but would be relevant: Might is right in IT world

[discuss] Massachussetts registered voters

2005-10-26 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Any Massachussetts registered voters could help out by contacting their governor, secretary of state and their representative in the state senate regarding this issue: http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/10/25/HNstateopendoc_1.html It would be useful to pin down the sources and

Re: [discuss] Massachussetts registered voters

2005-10-26 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Marco Fioretti wrote: There has been indeed a lot of confusion made between sw applications and file formats in this case, and not all of it is in good faith. Agreed. Furthermore, I suspect that there may be other acts of bad faith. However, as far as disability groups

[discuss] OOo competitor's lead developer

2005-10-26 Thread Lars D . Noodén
There is rumored to be turnover of key staff at the vendor currently being petitioned for OpenDoccument support: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Key_executive_resigns_from_Microsoft/0,261733,39219076,00.htm The last paragraph says: It's rumoured that a lead

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice and eMail Client

2005-10-25 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Hi, Krystian, People usually choose their own e-mail clients. Several that get recommended are: Evolution http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/ Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ The Mozilla suite

Re: [discuss] Re: Mac

2005-10-24 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Thanks. The OOo downloading page didn't seem to be updated when I checked on Saturday. Today OOo 2 sites are listed, though I had to try four to get the file. Neooffice/J is fine, but it's still version 1.1 -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On the Internet, nobody knows you're

Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

2005-10-24 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I also recall seeing that 32% of MS Office sales are *not* from OEMs. Even Be, Inc., despite winning their lawsuit, wasn't able to break the MS death grip on the OEMs, but that non-OEM 32% is potentially able to go to OOo, as long as they're not locked into some MS only server side service.

Re: [discuss] New file extensions?

2005-10-24 Thread Lars D . Noodén
There were no ODF-supporting versions of OOo for OS X available to me at the time I wrote the message. I'll have to remember the ibiblio address for the future. Is there anyway to get it added to the OOo download page? -Lars On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: You mean that the

Re: [discuss] Mac

2005-10-22 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Agreed. I ran across a few messages claiming that OOo 2 is *finally* available for download, so I was all psyched up to download it for OS X. Sadly, OOo 1.1.2 is the latest version available for Macitnosh users. What is the general timeline for OO2 for OS X, or has that been officially

[discuss] New file extensions?

2005-10-20 Thread Lars D . Noodén
What are the new file extensions for the OpenDocument formats? -Lars (Sorry, I can't just look because there's no recent version for OS X yet.) Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog ... ... until you start barking.

Re: [discuss] Please read the linked comment.

2005-10-17 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 18:08 -0400, Chad Smith wrote: Over 3 years to get 25% saturation? It's almost worth it. But you yourself, coder as you are, could create hacked filters for Microsoft Office in those three-years time, and claim the victory. Actually not, there are two big legal reasons

Re: [discuss] Re: Bibliographic software

2005-10-14 Thread Lars D . Noodén
This is something I could contribute to as it overlaps closely with my past experience. Plus it's some functionality my dad and his colleagues have statet that they want and could be convinced to be guinea pigs during the development. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On the

Re: [discuss] Demand ODF!

2005-10-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
My personal experience is that when vendors say that there is no customer demand, what they really mean is that whatever is being requested does not currently fit the vendor's agenda for the foreseeable future. One incident that gave a strong impression on me was when I visited or

[discuss] OOo 2 or OOo 1.5 binaries for OS X

2005-10-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I've been looking for OOo 1.5 or one of the betas for OOo 2 for OS X, but have not had any luck. I've found some Linux-on-Intel binaries and French OS X binaries here: http://macosxrc.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ but no luck with English binaries for OS X. Where should

Re: [discuss] Demand ODF!

2005-10-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: [snip] time that features and functions listed in the MS ads and brochures failed to work or even exist in the shipped version of the product. MS has a long track record of leveraging vaporware to disadvantage competitors. It would be no

Re: [discuss] Re: Outlook

2005-10-09 Thread Lars D . Noodén
For the time being, but that's rapidly changing. On the other hand MS Outlook does not offer the same degree of standards complliance, robustness (esp in regard to malware) and offers no cross platform capabilities. Integration, when used by MS, seems of late to have become a code word for

[discuss] Re: OOo 1.9 RPM for Fedora or RHE 3

2005-09-29 Thread Lars D . Noodén
are wrong for software but right for inventions. Write: http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Lars D. Noodén wrote: I'm looking for the URL (either HTTP or FTP) for an RPM for OOo 1.9 that will work on Fedora or Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3. It's

[discuss] OOo 1.9 RPM for Fedora or RHE 3

2005-09-28 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I'm looking for the URL (either HTTP or FTP) for an RPM for OOo 1.9 that will work on Fedora or Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3. It's been a few years since I've worked with RPMs so I'd appreciate any tips about download sites. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents harm

Re: [discuss] This is why we need a slim OOo

2005-09-21 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Less RAM would be good. Also, the $100 laptop would also be a good reason to try to make OOo more modular so that it is possible to install only the components that will be used. e.g. install only Writer or only Writer + Calc. Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents harm

[discuss] Label templates

2005-09-20 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Being on OS X, I'm still only running v 1.1.2, but does the beta for v2.0 have lots of label templates? For example WordPerfect used to have lots of mailing label templates for different label sizes, identified by brand and model such as Avery 5621 for thirty 1 x 2-5/8 labels per 8.5x11

[discuss] OpenDocument and scholarly publishing

2005-09-07 Thread Lars D . Noodén
OOo will get further recognition if academic publishers like Elsevier listed OpenDocument as their preferred format (or one of them) for receiving articles. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents harm all Net-based business, write your MEP:

[discuss] Government information Online

2005-08-29 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Maybe this belongs more on the marketing list. Can one of the liaisons in Denmark ensure that OpenDocuments gets placed with equal or better billing than the MS noise here: http://www.oio.dk/software This is something that OOo could do in conjunction with the other packages which

[discuss] Mailmerge Howto

2005-08-26 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I notice that the list of HOWTOs for the Database Access section is missing a Mail Merge howto: http://dba.openoffice.org/howto/index.html I'm sure that a clever and motivated person could figure it out from the existing documents, but mail merge is such a common activity that it would

Re: [discuss] MS lochs down Scots Police deal - II

2005-08-23 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I'm not much for conspiracy theories either, anything that requires much planning or accuracy is doomed. It's been hard to find articles that are more than just re-writes of the Register piece (or whatever they used). However, it does seem that a common theme in the earlier articles was

Re: [discuss] To Close for Comfort?

2005-08-16 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I too am not a fan of overly automated tools and have often stated that OOo should learn from MSO's mistakes, not emulate them. To back up Lyle's opinion, I worked a help desk for some years and every time a new package came out that we supported, we were flooded for months with questions

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