Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:
>
> When working weak signals in QRN or QRM, getting an exact zero beat is
> crucial if you want to have the best copy.
>
Why? (seriously)
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0M ssb lately, although there is the occasional smooth
sounding signal. I routinely A/B with my Orion to confirm what I'm hearing.
Perhaps folks who are reporting audio issues with the latest firmware can
make some WAV recordings that we can listen to, with the "good" and "bad&qu
The K3 Wiki has been updated with an excellent explanation of how Noise
Reduction works in the K3's DSP. Thanks Lyle!
Please view at http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_DSP
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ong machine screw as the
pivot axis and secure it on the far end with a nylock nut.
Evidently other Heil designs may be more reliable. Mine were purchased 5-7
years ago and started to fail about two years later. Lots of use during ssb
contests.
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the
passband. Besides, this thread was about receive, not transmit.
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lock the lower filter edge above 250hz
for opposite sideband rejection. The dsp filtering slope is very
steep. You can set the Orion lower filter edge to 50hz and it sounds
great.
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eparate RX antenna with the main receiver, you
need the KXV3. It doesn't matter whether or not the KAT3 is
installed.
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Yes, currently the K3 rx audio passband rolls off below 250hz. It's a
limitation in DSP that hopefully will get opened up soon.
No, it's not an issue of "what communications receivers do". The Orion
passband is flat down to 50hz.
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pappy_c wrot
st signals through AGC action?
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Yes but just to note that the specific issue raised here concerns RECEIVE
audio quality, not TRANSMIT audio quality.
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ab2tc wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> If the Ducie and Clipperton island expeditions were used to judge the
> transmit audio quality of the K3 (Ducie) and
worse: 1)newer radios with i.f. DSP generally have a problem with AGC
over-responding to short duration pulses (Rob excepts the K3) 2)ssb rx audio
quality ("listenability") seems to suffer in the newer digital designs
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the East coast I will call for East coast stations first, if my RF
can get over the Rocky Mountains!!! . . .Feedback needed...move back
to 0100??? "
Yes, by all means, please move back to 0100Z if possible.
73,
ceable. You should hear lower tones displaced
toward the R headphone and higher tones displaced toward the L headphone.
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noise and signal
levels.
With Heil Proset headphones, my AF Gain stays at 9 o'clock (1/4 way up) and
my RF Gain varies from 50-100%. Most of the time, my AGC Slope stays at 15.
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have fixed his problem.
Perhaps the K3 would benefit by having the AGC Slope value default to 15
instead of 10.
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"sporadically vanishing port" disease.
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HB9DRV wrote:
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> There are some very good *powered* SUB => COM port adapters
>
> Don't buy cheap junk on eBay!
>
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G4ILO wrote:
>
> . . . others don't want this stuff cluttering up their mailbox at all
Just post updated Net information to this reflector in a clear format and the
Wiki-bot will automagically update the Wiki.
73,
Barry N1EU
Windy Dankoff KM5Q wrote:
>
> I looked at the K3 Wiki at
> http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
> Under the K3 NEWS an
shape the audio - I
can do that on the K3. I want sonic accuracy from my speakers. That being
said, I use headphones 90+% of the time.
73,
Barry N1EU
Lee Buller wrote:
>
> I have been playing with the AFX mode here and it is very good with head
> phones. I really like the spatial
You need to scroll down the main page to "User Nets" - that information has
been consistently updated. I'm sorry your missed it.
73,
Barry N1EU
Windy Dankoff KM5Q wrote:
>
> I looked at the K3 Wiki at
> http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
ce by very strong signals that are just outside of the passband
due to its steeper slopes than the 2.7Khz filter.
73,
Barry N1EU
Windy Dankoff KM5Q wrote:
>
> Has anyone made a direct comparison to determine if a 2.8 filter produces
> noticeably better transmit audio? (like fuller,
Should have checked youtube before posting.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY seems quite good and there are lots
more.
73,
Barry N1EU
Barry N1EU wrote:
>
> Any videos out there showing nice closeups of simple/safe/inexpensive
> techniques to solder SMD? Many (most?) of us
Any videos out there showing nice closeups of simple/safe/inexpensive
techniques to solder SMD? Many (most?) of us have zip experience with the
little buggers.
73,
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wb8yqj wrote:
>
> I have a pair of 15 watt Radio Shack grounded tip IC
> soldering irons and some old tips.
David, I suggest you make a recording with a signal present and not
just background noise. I suspect the noise reduction algorithm might
be adaptive and require the presence of signal in order to optimize
its action.
73,
Barry N1EU
>So I have made a recording on the noise and it is availa
and you'll never see the
full 2.9Khz potential bandwidth. This is for measurement only - you won't
be able to operate your K3 with the xmit filter set above 2.8Khz.
73,
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Bill W4ZV wrote:
>
>
> Hmmm...I'll have to check mine again. I set DSP to max Width (t
wever.
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Barry N1EU wrote:
>
> Bill, I think the 2.9Khz bandwidth measurements for that filter were taken
> at r.f. - for whatever reason, that bandwidth is not translating into a.f.
> - I've seen a.f. measurements done on about 5 samples of the 2.7Khz filter
> an
I've received several inquiries about the software used - as I indicated,
it's called "SpectraPlus". Unfortunately it's not freebie software.
73,
Barry N1EU
Barry N1EU wrote:
>
> My SpectraPlus plots are viewable at
> http://www.n1eu.com/images/K3_2700usb_l
igure.
73,
Barry N1EU
Bill W4ZV wrote:
>
>
>
> Stewart G3RXQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> On USB the trace was substantially flat with the -3dB points at
>> 430Hz and 2.77KHz. Not too bad and could probably be improved by
>> moving the carrier offset frequency.
&g
match between the modes.
73,
Barry N1EU
John A. McCabe wrote:
>
> >On USB the trace was substantially flat with the -3dB points at 430Hz
> and 2.77KHz. Not too bad >and could probably be improved by moving the
> carrier offset frequency.
> >On LSB, however the trace was
LF to HF of about 6dB. Not very good at all...
>
> I wonder if others have plotted their 5 pole filters.
>
I have plotted my 2.7Khz filter in both USB/LSB and am not seeing the slope
that you're seeing. I'm able to adjust the center freq so that USB/LSB
sound virtually identica
This is perhaps a long shot, but anybody out there want to trade their
narrow 1.8Khz K3 filter for a 2.8Khz filter?
Please reply off list.
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Go into config menu and change AGC SLP to 15 and see if that helps
this issue. (p 50 of manual)
73,
Barry N1EU
>My K3 is a super CW rig and a poor SSB rig. at least to this date
1. AGC blasts from weak to strong sig... does not smooth out the audio enuf.
Vy short tone sigs pie
I've had the same thought. I assume that eventually we'll have some software
support with a nice GUI to set/save EQ settings on a PC. But perhaps
recruiting M1-M4 buttons to somehow save/restore 4 RX EQ and 4 TX EQ
settings would be really nice.
73,
Barry N1EU
WB6MND wrote:
>
&
mpers might want
to try the second washer if they're not happy with the "drag" results with
one washer.
Whoopee!
73,
Barry N1EU
Bill W4ZV wrote:
>
>
> Regarding the Main VFO knob, when I finished my unit I found I had a felt
> washer left over. Re-read the instruction
amped. I've
been very careful in making slight adjustments and just can't find a sweet
spot. I'm not loving the felt washer adjustment system - am I missing
something?
73,
Barry N1EU
wb8yqj wrote:
>
> The "official" numbers are great news, however, given
> a ch
ing a COM/OLE programming interface to send the rig most CAT commands.
We need a solution like N8LP and HB9DRV have been talking about lately.
73,
Barry N1EU
Tom AK2B wrote:
>
> "Software that interfaces to rigs over the single RS-232 port need to
> learn to play with each othe
er or
clickable panadapter etc, we won't have these capabilities unless software
that will arbitrate access to the serial port from multiple programs is
available.
73,
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Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:
>
> Taking things a step further - it would not be at all difficult to allow
>
If you built the kit, you might not have mounted the front panel properly and
fully seated the mic connector. Go to
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Kit_Building and read the
tips under "Front Panel and DSP". Check what is described about seating the
mic connector.
73,
esponsiveness during fast paced contesting.
73,
Barry N1EU
Bill W4ZV wrote:
>
>
>
> Michael E. Dobson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Interesting note on the PVRC contest club reflector regarding the K3
>> with the wideband IF output. Coupling it with the LP-PAN from N8
Doesn't the "monitor" control adjust the spot volume?
73,
Barry N1EU
Bill Harris-2 wrote:
>
> How do we lower the SPOT volume? No help from the manual. (that I can
> see)
>
> BillHarris
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Yes, Stewart asks a good question. As I reported previously, I had to
install an ICE 196 RF Limiter in the Beverage feedline to prevent my Acom
from generating "ArcFault" errors on 160M.
73,
Barry N1EU
Stewart G3RXQ wrote:
>
> Are you using a separate RX antenna ? There
FWIW, my initial listening isn't hearing much difference between the Orion
and K3 on transient response. So far, static bursts are sounding pronounced
on both radios to my ears.
73,
Barry N1EU
K4IA wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/10/2008 3:17:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Roland, check
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_changes_on_Elecraft%27s_list_to_be_added
and look at the first item.
73,
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Roland Guidry-2 wrote:
>
> Has anyone tested to see what the low cutoff is on TX for SSB. Is it
> 100hz,
> , 150hz, 200hz, 250
tenna
selection.
Personally, I haven't seen this but I haven't listened specifically for it
either.
73,
Barry N1EU
Gary W. Hvizdak wrote:
>
> On Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 01:07:35 EST, Ed Gilliland (W5TM) wrote ..
>
> I'm have poor isolation between the transmit antenna
Atsu, see http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/yada-yada.html
The term "yada yada" became popular after its use in the tv comedy
show "Seinfeld". It's a humorous way to say "etcetera etcetera"
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Thanks Toby.
I think it would be helpful if we compile a list of known problems and
post them on the Wiki to help out new K3 owners.
Perhaps K3 owners out there could email me what they confidently know
to be "known" problems.
Thanks/73,
Barry
On Feb 5, 2008 9:58 PM, Toby Deinhardt <[EMAIL PROT
t seem to get there from here.
Are other folks seeing this? Am I missing something - why is the K3
flipping back and forth between these width options?
Maybe this whole thing could be solved with 100hz or 50hz granularity of the
width control in ssb.
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to the K3. My experience with Brand X amplifier might have no bearing on
you.
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Lee Buller wrote:
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> Is that the case? Therefore, no special parameter would be needed. I
> would like a clar
RF Limiter in the Beverage feedline.
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high without improving the instructions.
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ate the benefit of adapting the K3
and supporting the keying loop interface. The benefits of doing so have
already been stated.
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GW0ETF wrote:
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>
> . . . If your transceiver has a suitable input that disables transmission,
> we recommend that you connect it with a
it and hopefully Elecraft will eventually announce
that they have indeed implemented support for amplifier keying loop in a new
firmware update.
73,
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Dave G4AON wrote:
>
> Barry
>
> I run a K3/100 with an Acom 1000 on CW and can confirm the Acom 1000
> doesn't need
date, has anybody actually implemented this in their K3 - amplifier
interface and can report on how well it is working?
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assband is adjusted to at the factory with the
stock 2.7Khz filter?
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ntenna.
>
> 4. Main on any of the above and sub on AUX RF. (Antenna Selection details)
>
Brett, under your option #1, you failed to mention the constraint that
ANT1 or ANT2 selection for the receivers must match the transmit
antenna selection. This was the essence of Mike&
Mike, I don't think the K3 will do what you think it will. The non-transmit
antenna (ANT1/ANT2) can't be used by the main receiver, only the
subreceiver. Look at figure 3 on p39 of the manual.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Mike B-12 wr
loped") totally depends on the context
of comparison and how quickly you're apt to butt up against the radio's
limitations. In tough band condx, I don't think it would be much of a
comparison.
73,
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David and Dianne on Comcast wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
>
> T
electivity that will still
allow the 2.8Khz filter to be engaged
please tune to an empty spot on any band - I just want to hear the band
noise and run a spectral plot
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This is admittedly topic skew, but for non-critical occasional am listening,
it would be nice to have a much lower cost option than the $120 filters. A
cheap ceramic or 2-xtal filter, about 15Khz bw would have been a nice
addition to the K3, maybe even as a st'd component.
73,
Barry
Get a used Orion I - a bargain at around $2K and you'll be able to resell it
for little loss when your K3 is ready.
73,
Barry N1EU
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having the KXV3 option.
See "Antenna Selection" at
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DaleJ wrote:
>
> I'm trying to cl
cally
oriented spectrum that would parallel the bandmap and move/resize in tandem
with it.
That would sure sell a bunch of K3's (as if they were sitting on the shelf
already . . . . ;-)
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I think he was looking for an N1MM type band map
It would be very cool if some future generation of PowerSDR software provided
a clickable bandmap overlay to the displayed spectrum from the K3.
Functions such as quick qsy to any point in the spectrum and labeling of
sigs with callsigns would be great tools for dxing/contesting.
73,
Barry N1EU
ce without having to search through the
archives.
73,
Barry N1EU
>On another point, there was criticism of someone posting an assembly
question to the reflector. That is the whole point of the reflector,
simple "how does it fit" or "where does that go" questions are easily
re
Off the top of my head, Omni 7 has a big beautiful display and has TCP/IP
ethernet remoting built into it.
To my eyes, these are two VERY different radios. Why don't you download
both manuals from the mfr's Web sites and compare for yourself?
73,
Barry N1EU
Another way to ask th
Simon, any chance you could make about a 10sec recording of band noise
on an empty band with RX EQ set flat and 6Khz selectivity and either
post the WAV file or email it to me?
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e the parameter display right into their program or else to
read the K3 data and make it available through an OLE interface to
external programs.
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>I propose that an item for the SW development list (if it isn't there
already) be a Windoze app that takes all key parameters
>Barry N1EU, regarding your comment about shape factor, I assume you know
about the K3 Context filter.
Yes Bill, and I look forward to seeing how it works. But the filter
slopes on the context filter are not adjustable either so we're
talking apples and oranges. If the firmware can
ore ringing.
>The above is true for both digital and analog filters.
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Great little clip Eric! How about a full length feature?
Nice to hear the K3 sounding good on cw.
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critical. Everybody's motivation is making the K3 the best radio out
there, and it's off to a great start.
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Additional recordings would be great - from you or any other
K3 owners out there with a soundcard.
73,
Barry N1EU
>It's a 16-bit mono recording taken via the line-out using a high-quality
soundcard (USInterface.com Navigator). The K3 operator isn't all that
skilled but he's got half
Simon, what was the dsp selectivity set at when you're using the 1Khz
and 250hz roofing filters? Was it likewise 1Khz and 250hz?
73,
Barry N1EU
>Here's a WAV recording ftp://ftp.ham-radio.ch/common/K3%20CW%20Demo.WAV
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Barry N1EU
>Don, in the email below, says that the time delay in the K3 will accommodate
a QSK amp. That is only partially true. The problem is in setting it
up. I could,
of course, put in a LONG delay but then QSK is gone. If I crank the delay down,
at some point I
text refers to the "ACC" labeled connector as "AUX I/O" -
shouldn't this be consistent?
I believe there's an omission in the manual - TX INH is not listed in
the CONFIG menu section and I believe it should be.
73,
Barry N1EU
On 11/28/07, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECT
I'm surprised to notice no provision for tx enable/inhibit signals
(qsk keying loop) on the K3. I'd appreciate hearing comments on why
this wasn't part of the design and what the timing safeguards are in
the existing "key out" signal to prevent hot switching on make/b
Actually, for the K3 you should try
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Serial_Numbers
73,
Barry N1EU
>Try http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html
>Bruce Bowman, NM5B
>Santa Fe, NM
>> Sorry for the bandwidth, but I can't find the matching post. What is
&
, if the user goes the "y" route, they definitely need to add their
own isolation xfmr between soundcard and mic jack. I should have
mentioned this in my previous post.
73,
Barry N1EU
On Nov 19, 2007 1:03 PM, Lyle Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> &g
the front in parallel with
the mic.
Hopefully there will be software support (N1MM Logger?) that will
enable rear line-in during DVK'ing and switch back to front panel mic
otherwise.
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being used to allow user selectable tx bandwidths less than 3.0Khz?
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Is there any numeric indication of the K3 rx bandwidth on the display?
I see the trapezoidal analog display of relative bandwidth, but if
the dsp bandwidth is set to 300hz, does the K3 indicate such directly
to the operator?
Thanks & 73,
Barry
he line. Yes,
topbanders use tons of it, but as long inexpensive receive-only
Beverage feedlines.
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'm happily clueless about
them.
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own and tested the QSK and can
report at how high a keying speed the K3 receiver recovers between
dits? The cw rise time and rx AGC settings used for the test would
also be useful to know.
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es the mic input
during DVK'ing (via software, turns mic gain to 0 during DVK'ing and
then restores mic gain after DVK'ing).
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in diversity split because of settling
time and needs for fast qsk.
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your receive and
transmit frequencies in receive mode. Hold SPLIT to turn split mode on
or off."
Can someone explain what the manual is trying to say here and how
VFOA/B is being assigned to the subrx in diversity/split? Is the
subrx always assigned to VFOB or is there more flexibility than
igs out of high noise on the Orion.
Will the K3 afford adjustability of the DSP filter shape?
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nput for the main rx with the ANT1
input for transmitting. This setup is for diversity reception with
two rx antennas.
ANT1 - transmit antenna
KXV3 - rx antenna to main rx
ANT2 SO239 (no KAT3) - rx antenna to sub rx
Can someone please confirm this will be doable from the outset of K3 production?
never use."
Unless I'm mistaken, I AM being forced to pay for an ATU option in
order to get a 2nd antenna input and to pay for a transverter option
to get a rx antenna input. I'm thrilled about the K3, just not
thrilled about this part of
I've never owned an FT-2000, but I can't help but wonder at the
relatively high number of used FT-2000 radios offered for sale
(eham.net, qth.com) - it sure seems that a significant portion of new
owners are having issues with the radio.
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le to pull out weak cw signals or rendering them
unreadable.
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he K3 will be able to transmit through the
stock 2.7Khz filter and switch in a narrower filter when receiving.
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I'd like to suggest a K3 feature for the ability to optionally
reassign the SQL control to subreceiver RF Gain. This would make for
a beautifully symmetric pair of AF and RF Gain controls for main and
sub receivers, which would be great for frequent users of the
subreceiver.
Thanks &
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