Hi
How about a K3 box that has 50/144/432 on the main board and slots that
would take 29 MHz, 70 MHz, 220 MHz, 1.296 MHz and other band sub-modules?
Randy
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Don Putnick wrote:
> I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but think of the
> possibi
How about a serious VHF/UHF radio ?
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I think it's time for a K3 firmware update...
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On 22 August 2013 23:25, Lee Buller wrote:
>
>
> The K3 is a fine radio and not much could be added to such a
> fine piece of work.
>
>
> But, doing research on the internet I found that if you
> could degauss the ion slip stream, ratchet
You mean you don’t already have these?
Bill
K9YEQ
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Hi Jim,
I also remember those days ;-) My first QSO was on a Benton Harbor Lunch Box
on 2m AM:
http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/FirstQSO.jpg
I guess that is where the challenge of working DX on VHF started for me. At first
it was the just the challenge of reaching outside the county, then
I agree, Arnie. While HF is my main motivation as an OT, I have always
been fascinated by the world above 50 MHz.
At one time I had the enjoyment of maintaining FAA-style air traffic
control radar systems in the 2 GHz and 9 GHz realms.
I can remember when the only options to get on 6m and 2m,
I've recently been using an MFJ-1025 Noise Canceling Signal Enhancer. I'm
having a lot better success with than I did with a ANC-4, now produced by
Timewave. These units, along with a similar one from DX-Engineering, in
general work by having a 2nd antenna as a 'sense' antenna. The unwanted
noi
If this trend continues, not only will we need aluminum foil hats, but
our computer display screens will need an aluminum foil covering as
well.:-)
73,
Don W3FPR
On 8/22/2013 5:25 PM, Lee Buller wrote:
The K3 is a fine radio and not much could be added to such a
fine piece of work.
But, do
The K3 is a fine radio and not much could be added to such a
fine piece of work.
But, doing research on the internet I found that if you
could degauss the ion slip stream, ratchet up the electronobulator, and then
put in some plasticized radionic grease on the shafts …Elecraft could increase
th
Well, while everyone is putting out their wish lists..
While there is a glut of cheap FM HT and mobile VHF/UHF stuff, I don't think
that 2M/430 is represented enough..
FM is only one small bit of the upper bands, CW, SSB, Data (high speed mesh
networks) and video are there too..
Cheap FM H
Terry,
As I just told Fred, I looked at the discussion a little more and got a
better handle on the context of the comment. I missed the point of
reference and shouldn't have commented because of that. Sorry.
73,
Scott, N9AA
On 8/21/13 11:58 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
Agreed. Since Fred'
From: Scott Manthe
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:53 PM
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Since when does the S-meter have anything to do with dynamic range? My
old Kenwood TS-2000 had a pretty tight S-meter, but that didn't help
its, um,
S-Meter readings have exactly NOTHING to do with dynamic range, Scott.
This was a discussion, semi-pertinent to Elecraft radios, and that I
offered to take off list and now will. I asked for education about
SDR's that sampled at the antenna connector vs those, like the K3, that
sampled after s
Since when does the S-meter have anything to do with dynamic range? My
old Kenwood TS-2000 had a pretty tight S-meter, but that didn't help
its, um, pedestrian (to be kind) dynamic range numbers.
73,
Scott, N9AA
On 8/21/13 7:19 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
One salient point is that my K3's
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On 8/19/2013 10:28 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
Warning: rather long reply follows.
If you don't care, or have your mind made up, please skip this email.
Fred asked for some education, so here goes...
> One salient point is that my K3's S-meter does NOT show linear/accurate
> readings above about S9 +25.
Honest to goodness, people. Get a grip ... :/
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On 8/19/2013 10:28 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
Warning: rather long reply follows.
If you don't care, or have your mind made up, please skip this email.
Fred asked for some education, so here goes... I'm n
On 8/19/2013 10:28 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
Warning: rather long reply follows.
If you don't care, or have your mind made up, please skip this email.
Fred asked for some education, so here goes... I'm not an expert, but
these are my personal ramblings from what I think that I have learned.
Terry - Thanks for your long and educational email.
I have used my P3 with a short wire antenna for environmental RF
noise location. It seems to work well, although the tuning UI
was not designed with that application in mind. :-)
Walking around with it, a separate battery, and antenna is a b
gt;
> I'm not an EE, just someone who has played with leading-edge amateur radio
> for 45+ years. I was involved in the first licensed ATV repeater (WR4AAG),
> packet radio development, spread spectrum, a little LF, and now SDR. I
> know how to burn my fingers with an iron.
>
Terry,
Thank you for the excellent write up. I enjoyed every line of it and hope to
have access to such a reading more often in the future.
Very educational and concise.
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be carrying around one of those ancient Motorola 2M FM
rigs with tubes in a Yaesu/Kenwood/Wouxun world. There are definitely
pitfalls to DDC/DUC radios. But, there are several reasons why every "cell
phone" has an SDR inside.
Sorry for the length. To each his/her own.
73, Terry, WB4J
On 8/19/2013 2:15 PM, Don Putnick wrote:
I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but think
of the possibilities, all within reach:
1. Voice operated - "K3, go to 14313 USB, tune the antenna, and set
output power at 100 watts"
Followed by the next enhancement where the K3 repl
Item .5: source 'DX countries' 'logbook' | grep 'unconfirmed' > 'DX needed"
Item .6:if 'callsign' true /usr/make_noise fi: exit 0
;o)
No I'm not a programmer, but you can get the gist of it. It's almost that
easy already.
Rick wa6nhc
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I'm s
Voice recognition is just so "yesterday".
Think of the radio as simple set of extended senses and peripheral extensions
controlled by the autonomic nervous system ...
Grant NQ5T
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On Aug 19, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Don Putnick wrote:
> I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat to
You could do #5 today if you happened to have Google Glass and some (um, a
lot of) spare time. :)
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Don Putnick wrote:
> 5. "Heads-up" display.
>
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I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but think of the
possibilities, all within reach:
1. Voice operated - "K3, go to 14313 USB, tune the antenna, and set output
power at 100 watts"
2. Voice recognition - the K3 scans the bands looking for a SSB signal, then
detects the oper
In fact about all that is included in direct conversion SDR is basic
BP filter and possibly a preamp/attenuator. Not sure on those
FUN-cube dongle receivers.
73, Ed - KL7UW
==snip==
I'm not familiar with the other Software Defined Radios out there, but
I'll bet that nearly all of them do som
Hi,
No, no crystal filters in a "pure" SDR. But if they sampled after the 1st
mixer but before the roofing filter bank, maybe. If Elecraft added
demodulator software and an audio output to the P3 that's exactly what the
combination would be. Being able to display and record a significant portion
o
Dear OMs and Yls,
DSP helps us all but the analogue side of electronics will be with us
for some time. Audio and RF are both analogue signals Amplifiers are
needed and amplifiers often benefit from some filtering.The DAC and ADC
are of course both digital and analogue.What we want
Lynn,
Some filtering ahead or some attenuation or preamp will be there or
better said: are there. What I meant is that the transceiver of the near
future will use an HF A/D converter, so direct digital sampling.
One of the first widely available RX's (at a nice price) was the perseus
RX. Lots
I could use some education here please:
What is the advantage of sampling directly off the antenna? I'm
surmising that's what is meant by "real SDR" vs "hybrid SDR". I don't
know if 32-bit ADC's existed when the K3 was being designed, but
Elecraft settled on the hybrid superhet analog 1st IF
Y'all are thinking too small. I expect that the next generation will be
voice operated, to be followed by a rig that won't require any input from
the Ham. Since you are the licensee, it will just text you with a summary of
the QSO's that it made on your behalf each day. But then, one day, we'll be
On 8/19/2013 11:38 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
We don't have to worry about processorpower. The hardware is already
there and still developping. And Yes, sampling up to 6m is possible.
Arie,
I understand your position.
It's just that a $20 filter can reduce the amount of processing needed
Lynn,
We don't have to worry about processorpower. The hardware is already
there and still developping. And Yes, sampling up to 6m is possible.
Apart from that, the interfacing from the machine to us humans can
certainly do better with some innovation (new ideas) as well.
73,
Arie PA3A
Op
Rick makes an excellent point. Buy a new YaeKenCom and that radio will
be the same the day you sell it as it was on the day you bought it.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that the biggest "threat"
to the K3 in the future is simply running out of buttons and knobs as
features are
I realize it'll never happen because of the $32 cheapies on the market. I
was more dreaming about something I know wouldn't happen. To answer another
question someone asked, I'd probably pay $400-$500 for an Elecraft HT that
I know would be much higher in quality and workmanship, have great support
Even if a K4 announcement were made today you'd likely experience an
almost unbearable waiting period before you'd actually be able to get
your hands on one. In other words, it's probably best to just go buy a
K3 and have fun in the meantime! You can always sell the K3 later to
help fund the K4...
HI Steve:
Perhaps. I have a feeling, however, that an HT would not be something
that Elecraft would offer. There simply are too many competitor
products out there that do the job. For example... the $32 Baofeng
UV-5R, not to mention all the HTs made by Yaesu, Icom, Kenwood, and
Alinco.
Steve,
What would you be willing to pay?
What would it have that current import units do not?
(perhaps a manual you can understand or a set of controls that easily
access the gazillion features?)
Let's face it the current crop of 2m/440 are almost priced to be
disposables. What market shar
Don hits the nail on the head. Compare Elecraft product support, for
example, to YaeKenCom whose only fix for product defects is a new product
two years later with new defects! Or to HP whose printers are
officially out of support before the inventory is sold off of dealer
shelves.
/Rick
On
On 8/19/2013 7:21 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
The K3 has enough software and also in the filtering, but it depends
HEAVILY on the analog IF filtering.
It is a combination, that's why I call it a hybrid.
Consider for a moment an SDR with no analog filtering at all.
How wide would the passba
Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer
service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft
2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people
camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy
one. Ho
"I hope the idea of replacement through new modules is followed. That is
where a radio built with daughter boards on a master mother board is more
amenable to hardware upgrades. The tradeoff is reliability issues with
daughter board connectors (over time)."
I agree with your statement above. Th
Hi Milverton,
The K3 has enough software and also in the filtering, but it depends
HEAVILY on the analog IF filtering.
It is a combination, that's why I call it a hybrid.
And for the rest: The next generation radio's will be full DSP, this
technology will come fast. We have already seen sever
Hi Trevor,
I'm waiting for a KPA1000. But I'd also take a KPA1200 or KPA1500.
73,
Mike K2MK
Trevor Dunne wrote
> Hi All
>
> I have been reading the mail here for some time while I debate the
> purchase of a K3 in my head. I can't help to notice the lack of subjects
> covering the K3 and the la
Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2 wrote
> The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3).
> With all the convenience and flexibility of the K3, maybe even better.
...but Wayne said:
"Direct RF-sampling receivers, for all their technology, still lag well
behind the K3 in blocking
Just thinking about outside the HF spectrum...
* A transverter for the possible new MF allocation, should the
FCC finally move
* A HT that can be used by the emergency services people who are
new hams (Elecraft UIs are easier to use than most other makers
UIs.)
* Elegant radios for the mic
The KX3 is a sdr also. but made into a field useable SDR.
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R.Neese
KB3VGW
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9, 2013 6:51 AM
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>
>
>
>The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3).
>With all the convenience and flexibility of the K3, maybe even better.
>
>Crucial will be the design specs.
>
The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3).
With all the convenience and flexibility of the K3, maybe even better.
Crucial will be the design specs.
I hope that the designspecs will be OK and that the engineers will
listen not only to the hard core contesters, but
Pretty well covered by others.
One more fact to consider is the K3 is a SDR which means the firmware
can continually be improved or embellished, thus keeping the radio
from obsolescence. The promise of SDR is that it can continually
re-invent itself with new sw (firmware). With ten years und
This has been discussed on the KX3 list over the past two days. I recommend you
go there. --wunder, K6WRU
On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Robert Vargas (KP4Y) wrote:
> Talking about new elecraft product? What's the status on the KX3 2M module.
> Been waiting more than a year for that option. Hope
Talking about new elecraft product? What's the status on the KX3 2M module.
Been waiting more than a year for that option. Hopefully it's on top of
Elecraft's priorities right now.
73,
Robert-KP4Y
Sent from mobile device. I apologize for the brevity and any grammatical errors.
iain macdonnell -
It's a bit bigger than the KX3 - the same front-panel as the K3, but
closer to the depth of the KX3 ... Google "k3/0 mini".
73,
~iain / N6ML
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> Has there been any talk about a KX3 size version of the K3/0 unit?
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Hi All
I have been reading the mail here for some time while I debate the purchase
of a K3 in my head. I can't help to notice the lack of subjects covering the
K3 and the lack of new firmware in over 4 months.
Would if be fair to think that developmen
Don is right. Elecraft has never come up with a "new model" of any of their
rigs for you to buy. Instead they improve the existing models and make the
improvements 'retrofittable' to existing units. I have a K2 that I built in
2000. It is identical to a brand new K2 purchased today in both function
Here is something new.meeting delivery date comments.
George, W6GF
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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Look for an SGC
On 8/18/2013 12:39 PM, Trevor Dunne wrote:
Hi All
I have been reading the mail here for some time while I debate the
purchase of a K3 in my head. I can't help to notice the lack of
subjects covering the K3 and the lack of new firmware in over 4
months.
Perfectly normal. You don't see a lot of
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A new product I would love to see would be a 500 watt mobile/12 VDC amp ...
although that would be a very small niche
in ham radio and probably low sales. Just thinking out loud here.
73, Mike WA5POK
ay, August 18, 2013 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Wayne and Eric have repeatedly said than any "K4-style" improvements will
be retrofittable to the K3. Here is Wayne's response to a recent thread on
the subject:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.n
It took about 8 years for the K3 to "replace" the K2. Of course, you can still
get a new K2, and some due.
It took about 11 years for the KX3 to "replace" the K1. And, K1's are still
available. And still great rigs.
I didn't include the KX1, as I think of it as a niche rig, for those who want
Trevor,
The K3 is not going to be replaced anytime soon IMHO. In fact, the K3
did not 'replace' the K2 which is still going strong after almost 14
years. Yes, the K2 is a mature product, but Elecraft fully supports it
(and can be expected to continue for some long time to come).
As an exam
Wayne and Eric have repeatedly said than any "K4-style" improvements
will be retrofittable to the K3. Here is Wayne's response to a recent
thread on the subject:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Wait-For-The-K4-Direct-RF-Sampled-SDR-tp7571211p7571223.html
Given the fact that the "big three
The thought crossed my mind when I was looking at getting either a K3 or a
KX3 too (and ultimately I decided on the KX3, which is still really new).
I'll probably be in the market for something like the K3 in another year or
two, and like you, if I knew the next model were coming along shortly, I'
Hi All
I have been reading the mail here for some time while I debate the purchase of
a K3 in my head. I can't help to notice the lack of subjects covering the K3
and the lack of new firmware in over 4 months.
Would if be fair to think that development has finished on the K3 and that now
all
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