Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of)

2018-06-04 Thread Mel Farrer via Elecraft
Bob please give us the model number of your acoustic level meter, Thanks. Mel, K6KBE From: "Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO" To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of) Hello

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of)

2018-06-04 Thread Chris Codella, W2PA
FWIW - My test using the Alpha 89, was with only the built-in fan on, not the add-on one in back (which I've never really had to use). 73, Chris, W2PA On 6/4/2018 4:43 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote: Hello Bob, Thanks for the measurements! Was this with the Alpha’s auxiliary fan on or off

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of)

2018-06-04 Thread Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO
Hello Bob, Thanks for the measurements! Was this with the Alpha’s auxiliary fan on or off? You will find this fan and its belonging switch on the amplifiers back on the right side where the power supply transformer sits. 73, Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A -- Stefan v. Baltz dl1...@contesting.co

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-03 Thread Bill Johnson
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 11:14 PM To: Les Peters Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise One quick note: We have shifted up the fa

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of)

2018-06-03 Thread Bob Rennard via Elecraft
My measurements were taken with a microphone about 2 feet from the front panels of the components. I wondered if W2PA’s alpha 89 was as quiet as he reported, so I thought I’d report on what I found - Ham shack in a finished (insulated drywall) room in a metal shed with equipment and HVAC

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Paul Baldock
At 09:14 PM 6/2/2018, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: There are no limitations to turning it on and off frequently. (Of course we recommend letting it cool first before turning it off temporarily when running higher duty TX cycles.) I would have thought the software would have kept the

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
One quick note: We have shifted up the fan turn on temperatures by about 7 degrees for Fan speed 2 and above in our next KPA1500 s/w release and on newly shipping amps. The release should be available in the next week or two. As noted by others, setting the minimum RF deck fan speed to 1 (or

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of)

2018-06-02 Thread Michael Walker
Those numbers are pretty impressive for quiet. Certainly quieter than a quiet dishwasher unless you really pushing it. Mike va3mw On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Using a Sound Level Meter with A weighted scale, measure the noise at 1 > meter in at least 4 different

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of)

2018-06-02 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Using a Sound Level Meter with A weighted scale, measure the noise at 1 meter in at least 4 different directions.   Preferably done in a "free field" such that any acoustic reflections are at least 6 meters distant.    I know it is difficult to make measurement outside on a piece of equipment s

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - measured (sort of)

2018-06-02 Thread Mel Farrer via Elecraft
Thanks Chris, I do not think I will buy the current configuration of the KPA-1500 fans.  I was seriously doing so..  I would still like to know the model number of the fans.  Mel, K6KBE From: "Chris Codella, W2PA" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 4:14 P

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Clay Autery
It is NOT JUST a matter of of getting an HD15 M-->F extension cable (which can be had in lengths up to 100 feet. A VGA signal is analog and can be extended to up to 100 feet TOTAL according to the spec, all things being optimum. But one MUST look at the signals being sent between the KPA-1500

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise with added VGA comments

2018-06-02 Thread Bob
Not from Elecraft but... Yes the caution is warranted for "VGA" cables. They are not always pin for pin and can do two things wrong. One is that not all pins are wired and the other is worse as they sometimes tie the shields together shorting out needed pins. There are multiple versions of VG

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Fred Jensen
Yes John, and it turns out to be a fairly simple equation if you make a few assumptions.  Around 1958 or so and a student [sophomore], I spent the summer with a small crew building KPFK on Mt. Wilson in Los Angeles.  The TX was almost totally homebrew [REL serrasoid exciter], with 4 4-1000A's i

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft
: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise Jim I agree with your personal observations.  I run some high duty cycle modes so I notice the fans kicking into speed 3 a lot when the PA temp gets to 68-70 degrees.  That setting does a good job of re

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread N2TK, Tony
-requ...@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise Jim I agree with your personal observations. I run some high duty cycle modes so I notice the fans kicking into speed 3 a lot when the PA temp gets to 68-70 degrees. That setting does a good job of reducing the temp and keeping it from cli

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
Les, A VGA extension will NOT do the job. Get a cable with all 15 pins connected straight through. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/2/2018 12:07 PM, Les Peters wrote: Jim I agree with your personal observations. I run some high duty cycle modes so I notice the fans kicking into speed 3 a lot when the P

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-02 Thread N2TK, Tony
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gmail - George Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2018 8:10 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ? One other thought to keep in mind - solid state amps need a lower delta T than tube amps. Tubes like to run

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-02 Thread Edward R Cole
in Barstow, CA so know the desert. Tuscon is a nice town; visited in 1997. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Wes Stewart To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ? What's a basement?? On towertalk they talk about letting the lawn grow over ground radials.? I w

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Les Peters
Jim I agree with your personal observations. I run some high duty cycle modes so I notice the fans kicking into speed 3 a lot when the PA temp gets to 68-70 degrees. That setting does a good job of reducing the temp and keeping it from climbing past 73 degrees. I've changed my min fan speed t

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread WILLIE BABER
r levels II and III http://cwops.org/ On Sat, 6/2/18, Jim via Elecraft wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise To: "John Perlick" Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Date: Saturday, June 2, 2018, 6:20 AM I don’t have

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-02 Thread WILLIE BABER
components. Unfortunately, the same Omni VI was hit by lightning some years later. 73, Will, wj9b CWops #1085 CWA Advisor levels II and III http://cwops.org/ On Sat, 6/2/18, Gmail - George wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread Jim via Elecraft
I don’t have a dog in this fight - someone who spends half the year (the half with all the good contests) in a Florida condo is not a candidate for buying amps. But might water cooling be a possibility? As in a heat sink that sits in water, with appropriate thermal shutoff if the water/amp get t

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-02 Thread Gmail - George
One other thought to keep in mind - solid state amps need a lower delta T than tube amps. Tubes like to run hot - solid state devices not so much. I've seen a tube with the fins so hot that the solder was in globs, while the transmitter was still operating. I doubt any solid state final would h

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-02 Thread N2TK, Tony
ewart Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 9:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ? What's a basement? On towertalk they talk about letting the lawn grow over ground radials. I wonder what a lawn is. They also say to install ground rods where the rai

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise

2018-06-02 Thread John Perlick
Bill Schmidt is right--you have to get rid of a bunch of heat--no matter what device you are using to amplify (tubes, transistors, or magic). The amplifying device must dissipate considerable heat because we are running Class AB and because of all electronic devices are naturally lossy. Rememb

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
ne 1, 2018 7:33 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ? Rich You pretty much hit the nail on the head about solid state amps. As they say there's no free lunch. Solid state has made great strides in high power ampsbut its still solid state and

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread Don Butler
I personally think all the banter about KPA1500 fan noise has created confusion. Yes, the amp has three fans with five selectable fan speeds..and since the amp is small the fans are necessarily small and therefore must run faster …. and as the fan speed increases the pitch and noise levels inc

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread Wes Stewart
What's a basement?  On towertalk they talk about letting the lawn grow over ground radials.  I wonder what a lawn is.  They also say to install ground rods where the rain will hit them.  I wonder what rain is. Wes  N7WS On 6/1/2018 6:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: Some years ago we cooled

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft
riginal Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 7:33 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ? Rich You pretty much hit the nail on the h

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Some years ago we cooled a PDP11 by putting the fan remote and running a dryer hose to the computer. How about putting the fan in the basement and the rig on the desk where it’s handy? Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Jun 1, 2018, at 7:57 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > > Bill

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt
O Group at Groups.IO. email: b...@wjschmidt.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 7:33 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread Michael Walker
Bill is correct You have to move air to cool down those devices and it takes fans to do it. Water cooling might work if you wish to modify it. :) But, there is no free lunch as was mentioned. Be prepared that any 1500 watt LMDOS amp requires cooling but since there is no tube, they are built i

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Fan Noise - YouTube ?

2018-06-01 Thread Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft
Rich You pretty much hit the nail on the head about solid state amps.  As they say there's no free lunch.  Solid state has made great strides in high power ampsbut its still solid state and a p/n junction or some form thereof.  1500 watts of heat in those junctions has to be cooled down or it