RE: Family Tree of EMC/EMI/ESD Standards

2002-06-07 Thread Dave Lorusso
Nice work on this John, very helpful. I just got a notice from the IEC on their new EMC Zone at: http://www.iec.ch/zone/emc/emc_entry.htm It's not as detailed as John's information, but there are some useful items of interest. Best regards, Dave -Original Message- From: John Barnes

IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-07 Thread w w
Hello all, I'm confused. When preparing an EMC test plan for CE requirements I've been told to narrow in on Generic or Product Standards (which ever is more applicable) to help demonstrate compliance. For example, if testing to EN 55024 ITE immunity, the standard calls for various IEC Basic

Re: Forensic Lab

2002-06-07 Thread Kurt M. Marden
Hi Rich, I have had no personal contact with this person but he often has articles in ECM (Electrical construction and maintenance) detailing forensic analysis of electrical accidents. He may be able to help you. Alexander Kusko, Sc.D, P.E. Exponent Failure Analysis Associates Natick, Mass.

RE: Measurement below 30MHz

2002-06-07 Thread djumbdenstock
Hello KC, I cannot comment on the Japanese standard; I can comment on the FCC regulations. The FCC does allow 40 dB/decade below 30 MHz; they also allow a different roll-off established by measuring at 2 points along a radial. The resultant may be different than 40 dB/decade, depending on the

Re: Japan mains voltage

2002-06-07 Thread ggarside
Standards aside, one other practical point to consider (all countries), the +/- 10% (or whatever) that may be quoted by (or required of) the utility company applies only to the point at which they deliver to their customer. There will then be an additional volt-drop within the customer's

Re: 1kW per square meter.......free

2002-06-07 Thread Ted Rook
Agree, that's why my post was phrased to use the car as an energy collector, while static in the car park eight hours per day, and not to suggest using solar electric power as a substitute for gasoline. We have invested 100 years engineering development into the four stroke IC engine and now

RE: Electrochemical potentials

2002-06-07 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Just to keep things up to date MIL-STD-105 is cancelled. MIL-STD-1916 not takes its place. -doug --- Douglas E. Powell, Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. Ft. Collins, CO 80525 mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com --- -Original Message- From: Chris Maxwell

RE: PCB layout question for good EMC performance

2002-06-07 Thread Clement Dave-LDC009
Check out High-Speed Digital Design by Howard Hohnson and Martin Graham. Rhents rule deals with this topic. Dave Clement Motorola Inc. Global Homologation Engineering 20 Cabot Blvd. Mansfield, MA 02048 P:508-851-8259 F:508-851-8512 C:508-725-9689 mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com

RE: Family Tree of EMC/EMI/ESD Standards

2002-06-07 Thread POWELL, DOUG
John, This is very nice, it's big job keeping up cuurent information. Do you intend to keep it going long term? -doug --- Douglas E. Powell, Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. Ft. Collins, CO 80525 mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com --- -Original Message-

PCB layout question for good EMC performance

2002-06-07 Thread Ken Javor
I have a problem where a very large number of chips are mounted on a very small board. The ground plane looks like Swiss cheese and there is ground bounce accordingly. For future reference, is there a rule-of-thumb for how much PCB area should be allocated per number of IC chips/pins so as to

RE: Measurement below 30MHz

2002-06-07 Thread HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1)
Hello KC, The attached message leads you a web site that discusses the 20 versus 40 dB/decade problem. ANSI/NIST may/should be doing a study. Regards, Ken Hall -Original Message- From: KC CHAN [PDD] [mailto:kcc...@hkpc.org] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:36 PM To:

Re: 1kW per square meter.......free

2002-06-07 Thread Ken Javor
My physics is rusty but how many horsepower per Watt? A family car isn't going to run on a horsepower value in the single digits. That solar-powered race they run or used to run in Australia - those are pretty light-weight race cars. And the Australian Outback when they run/ran that race was

Re: Measurement below 30MHz

2002-06-07 Thread Ken Javor
No one seems to be answering this, so I will take a stab at it. But this is only technical aspects, not a policy response. At 13 MHz (11.5 m tuned dipole) a real measurement antenna (one which draws power from the Poynting vector impinging upon it) will not be measuring in the far field.

Re: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread Ken Javor
I would add that if your power source puts out milliwatts and has a high source impedance such that attempting to draw more than design current causes foldback or just plain loading then even if there is a high voltage section it will be even more current limited and is therefore not in the same

1kW per square meter.......free

2002-06-07 Thread Ted Rook
sorry, off topic, mostly for US residents: just imagine everyone's car being coated with 'solar cell generator' material with a storage device in the trunk.. and how about air-conditioners that run on the Stirling cycle from a solar energy collector... lousy for the oil lobby but

RE: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread Ted Rook
2c it seems that the low voltage used in the application is being mistaken for low energy. Your garden variety alkaline manganese cell has such a low internal resistance that it behaves as a little bomb when shorted. Same with lithium battery technology. If the solar cell can put out 10W it

RE: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread David_Sterner
Don Theoretical solar-cell efficiency calculation excludes photons of insufficient energy for electron-hole-pair production. Also photon energy beyond pair-production requiement is converted to heat (and cannot produce electricity). Electron-hole pairs produced in doped regions above or below

RE: Forensic Lab

2002-06-07 Thread Bill Morse
If it's close to Texas try Unified Investigation as a forensic lab: Unified Investigations 223 East Greenbrier Lane Dallas TX 75203 214 946-8989 They were both knowledgeable and very professional For a electrical fire investigation consultant for that area try Phil Wagner I was also impressed

RE: Safety symbol

2002-06-07 Thread Clement Dave-LDC009
The only one I have seen is a house with an arrow pointing in that desigates it's for indoor use. Dave Clement Motorola Inc. Global Homologation Engineering 20 Cabot Blvd. Mansfield, MA 02048 P:508-851-8259 F:508-851-8512 C:508-725-9689 mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com

Safety symbol

2002-06-07 Thread Desmond Fraser
Hi All; Does any know the purpose of a safety symbol depicting a house with a small window on the right side? I will be grateful if someone can provide information such as its use, safety standard, and exactly what the correct symbol should look like. Best regards, Des Fraser

RE: Electrochemical potentials

2002-06-07 Thread Chris Maxwell
As pointed out by some colleagues. MIL-STD-105D is an incorrect reference. I apoligize for any inconvenience. I double-checked our standards listing in document control (which I should have done in the first place) and came up with MIL-STD-889. This is a standard dealing with dissimilar

REED RELAY RE: Hipot voltages for STDS EN 60255, EN 60947, and EN 60950

2002-06-07 Thread paul . j . smith
Dear Group, What is the dielectric withstand test voltages for reed relays rated at 150 Vdc per the requirements of EN 60255, EN 60947 and EN 60950? Are there any other standards that a reed relay can be used for agency approvals? Your comments would be appreciated. Best Regards, Paul J

RE: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread Don_Borowski
If I remember correctly, solar intensity in space is about 1.5 kW per square meter. At sea level at the equator it something like 1.1 kW per square meter on a clear day. So there is significant significant loss coming through the atmosphere, but certainly not 90%. Perhaps there is 90% reduction

RE: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread Andrew Carson
I thought the Suns Solar Intensity was 1kW per square meter above the Earths atmosphere and what hit the ground was reduced by 90%. But it has been a few years since my college days :-) Andrew Carson - Senior Compliance Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014

RE: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread Robert Wilson
On the surface, it seems to me that that requiring any sort of regulatory compliance for a device operating from a 3 Volt source would be utterly absurd. But then, from my perspective, regulatory agencies are not always noted for their use of common sense in creating their regulations. The fact

Forensic Lab

2002-06-07 Thread richwoods
I am seeking a forensic lab that can analyze the probable cause of a fire in electrical equipment. The lab must be located in the USA and preferably located in the East or Central part of the country. Any referrals would be appreciated. Richard Woods Manager Compliance Engineering Sensormatic

Spectrum Allocation

2002-06-07 Thread richwoods
I am seeking a consultant who can advise us on national spectrum allocation and power limits in various countries for a particular type of short range device. The major Pacific rim countries are of particular interest. I would appreciate any referrals the group may offer. Richard Woods Manager

RE: ANSI std MW-1000 sections

2002-06-07 Thread Peter Tarver
Brian - The MW represents an NEMA/ANSI magnet wire type. As I'm sure you're aware, there are a number of constructional variations for magnet wire coatings with regard to costing materials and thickness. Those meeting some minimum specifications associated with an MW type will advertise the

RE: Electrochemical potentials

2002-06-07 Thread Chris Maxwell
Duncan, From the Galvanic Compatibility Chart in the back of Instrument Specialties (Now called Laird Technoligies) catalog. Tin plating has an anodic index of 0.6V Copper itself has an anodic index of 0.35V For tin plated copper; I would use 0.6V. Galvanized Steel (either hot dip or

RE: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread Don_Borowski
For the power limit part of the problem, a good rule of thumb to use for solar intensity is 1 kW per square meter. A garden variety solar cell (single crystal) is easily 10% efficiency these days, and the best ones are past 20%, so this yields 100 watts to beyond 200 watts per square meter for

Electrochemical potentials

2002-06-07 Thread duncan . hobbs
Group, Has anyone ever used a combination of metals not listed in annex J of EN60950 for a protective earthing connection? If so can anyone suggest a decent source of information on electrochemical potentials for various materials. The particular materials in question are tin plated copper

RE: IEC 60950 Solar Cells

2002-06-07 Thread Andrew Carson
Ron Some help, I hope, to your questions. Would this small LCD display device even be required to be evaluated to IEC 60950 3rd Edition or to IEC 60950-1? This depends on what you are trying to achieve, good company practices, or a countries regulatory requirements. For Europe, the product

Measurement below 30MHz

2002-06-07 Thread KC CHAN [PDD]
To all I just came across a Japanese standard about a RFID product at 13.5 MHZ, it says that measurement of FCC from 30m to 3m will need to take the 20dB conversion(ie 20dB/decade) into account. But I found a statement from FCC part 15.31(f)(2) that at frequency below 30 MHZ, 40/decade