Dave,My experience is that products which are certified to worldwide
harmonized standards - eg 60950 or 61010 - are evaluated for the full voltage
and frequency as stated on the product nameplate and reported in both the NRTL
cert report as well as the CB report. If you are not asking
John,Yes, there are many very clever ways to cheat in life. In this case
no NRTL mark invalidates the acceptability of the CE marking downstream; the
importers QA inspection is needed. My suggestion only works if the folks
downstream who are on the hook legally for the Euro
James & PSnet folks,
I could envision a scenario that could be more comfortable for all. If the
same product was sold worldwide and bore a US NRTL (UL, etc) mark along with
the CE marking then the importer would know that the factory was having
quarterly construction inspections. At
Convenor, IEC TC74/WG5/IEC 60990
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as part of their product
certification program...
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compliance with
the requirements therein.
I hope that this helps.
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an issue... c'est la vie... newbies are born every day -both buying and
selling...
What's the lesson? better adopt the test house motto: Trust and
verify!
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for some time... Europeans won't shut down
progress overnite... besides, there's plenty of market in the rest of the
world - which isn't so fussy at this point...
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how they might implement such a program; I don't know the status of
the programs in states such as Washington, California and Texas.
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requirements based upon case law
that companies have to meet in America - such as the use of ANSI labels
else the product markings are deficient.
So, get the local standards and comply with them... that's the
requirement.
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this to be a level playing field.
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a dozen
pages on markings and instructions).
If you still don't want to buy the standard, give me a call -
that's what I do...
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of these issues...
As an alternative, why not consider the equipment under EN 61010
which applies to Process control, Laboratory and Test equipment... If you
believe that it falls under the scope of such..
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sea of
reguatory affairs... unless, of course, you'd like some consultant to take
the time to review the standards for you and provide the answer... for an
appropriate fee, of course... contact me privately, if you're
interested...
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part' or call it a 'Non-electrical
conductive part'? Why do you prefer one name over the other?
Keep those cards and letters coming, folks... we'll tally the
votes and let you know how it comes out...
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for corporate improvement
that the Quality professional needs to spearhead. This is one of the most
credible new areas for Quality, with the unsurpassed potential for overall
corporat improvement and gain in profit.
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to provide
the 'going to jail' person. There are, also, some firms (legal firms, as I
remember) who will sign and hold your MDoC, etc for a nominal fee...
What other routes might be available? perhaps others have some
ideas...
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to the requirments because you didn't understand
the usual Euro interpretation of the requirements...
This little homily can, again, be classified as a word to the wise
or deficient... pick your poison...
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parts
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(or as
clean as is needed)?
Seems that the supressor device will not do what you want it to if
it cannot shuttle the transient pulse away from the phone line
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requirements.
This documentation becomes part of the Technical File.
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requirements. Requirements are in place for both noisy shop environments
as well as offices, as I understand it.
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Dan,
I normally buy my Euro standards directly from BSI in the UK. They
accept VISA charges and will mail the document right away. You can contact
them by phone at +44/181/996-7000 and fax them at +44/181/996-7001.
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So, don't despair... there will be a new EN, but it's not yet
announced... (It will probably be announced yesterday since I seem to be
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you're working (which is better than the alternative)...
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technical file...
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a non-professional or consumer use of your product, your claim of
'professional' use goes out the window... good opportunity for a lot of
lawyers to make a few bucks - no matter which side they work...
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that enforcement
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this
year (1998). So, pick up the 97 edition if you want a preview of coming
attractions...
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question about
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meters utilizing this network are available, altho I always like to look at
the waveform too because of the controversy over peak vs rms
measurements...
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that there is or is not a link
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website, for instance)...
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be backed up with some research that shows the
natural association of the symbol with the desired action. Manufacturer's
have paid big buck$ because they couldn't show this association.
So, Jim, move ahead thoughtfully on this...
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by a broad group of users. Just as with any other
bad experience with a product, a user will tell 10 times more people of
their bad experience than they will of their good experience with a
product.
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the entire standard again.
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the term a specific meaning within the document you
are reading at the time...
As an aside, the term dossier is the French term for file or
record...
Now, go organize your CE Technical Construction Documentation
Dossier File Record.
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variations are attributed to the slow diffusion of
ions through the stack, particularly those held at the interfaces between
layers.
IEEE Transactions on Dielectrics and Electrical Insulation, Vol 5,
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fields do not vanish near the aperture.
Index Terms:Electromagnetic coupling, finite-element methods,
scattering matrices, shielding.
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caught
misapplying the tools in some way that leads to non-compliance...
I would hope that others would offer such educational information
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on Dielectrics and Electrical Insulation, Vol 4,
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issue your own Manufacturer's Declaration of Conformity; the manufacturing
plant will apply the CE marking at your direction...
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have line generators with variable input conditions
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The most definitive way to get the list of countries that are
accepted into the CB Scheme is to subscribe to the CB Bulletin OC. This
may be ordered thru your National Certification Body else subscribe
directly thru the IEC office in Geneva.
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summarized provide for uniformity of
measurement in this regard.
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is in compliance. Marking of the equipment, of course, will be
required in perpetuity.
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loaded with the CE-marked components makes the products
better, tactfully inform them that they're wrong. If you want your
products to pass compliance tests, you'll have to design them with
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and include normal American practice...)
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Directive has an extensive checklist for
manufacturers who need guidance for evaluating their equipment against the
requirements of the Directive.
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properties, the
impregnation
of the winding should permanently fill up the gaps between the wires. ...
It would be very interesting to see the results of a similar study for
SMPS.
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that manufacturers list this Directive on
their MDoC along with IEC/EN 950 (or other appropriate EN) to show conformance
to the requirements.
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purposes, the use restrictions are so limited that, in
reality, it's more cost effective to get the certification finished and the
equipment CE marked before it is imported into the EU...
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It's been pretty clear from the initial implementation of the CE marking
scheme which is based on the Manufacturer's Declaration of Conformity that one
of the key elements would be that, upon request, manufacturer's would have to
provide their support information in a timely way.
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Oh well, more grist for the mill...
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registered, it ought to be good enough to be registered - that's the litmus
test... So use ISO 9000 as the basis for your Quality System...
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the sign in the outhouse (WC to some): the job is not over
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