these
tests!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Tarver"
To:
Cc: "Joe Finlayson" ; "'Peter Merguerian'"
; "'Tania Grant'" ; "Michelle Cho
/ INT Compliance"
Sent: Friday, February 1
s as you find that certain parts of your product need to be redesigned.
As was also previously stated, you need to make sure that the whole
engineering team reads the GR-63 and GR-1089 standards and understands the
requirements. No sense spending money on lab tests for obvious failures.
T
riginal Message -
From: "James, Chris"
To: "'Tania Grant'"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:52 AM
Subject: RE: Cadmium plated hardware and small parts
>
> Tania
> Just had an "undeliverable" from your email address. If yo
- paste ends here
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: "Bobbie H Cronquist"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:20 AM
Subject: EU Packaging Query
>
> A client of ours has said that wooden crates/pa
know this! Thank you.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: "Gregg Kervill"
To:
Cc: "'Chris Chileshe'" ;
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: CE Marking - Prototypes
>
> My understanding if that:
>
> wher
believe, are
environmentally a "no-no".
Where is this stated! How is this enforced?
Thank you very much,
Tania Grant,
taniagr...@msn.com
---
This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety
Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list.
the UL Report is the engineering evaluation and tests, and the UL
Procedure is for the manufacturer and the field inspector.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: "Brian O'Connell"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:59 PM
Subject: 601-1 Factory Test
Doug,
For -48 Vdc equipment, the 3rd edition of CSA/UL 60950 gives a "should" in
Annex NAB.2 unless "otherwise specified by the manufacturer..."
It is worth a look.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: "Doug McKean"
To: "EMC-PSTC Discussion Group"
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2
Amund,
My minimum criteria and recommendation has always been at least 6dB.
However, how many engineering managers, upon finding a 1.5 dB margin in
their favor, rule "ship it"!
Education (repeated brainwashing of as many 'powerful company managers) has
been my response;-- but that often takes t
Is the manufacturer serious, or completely ignorant?
If serious, I would disassociate from them as much as possible. If merely
ignorant, and you have some sort of association with them, I would recommend
that you educate them fully.
Another thought, -- is this product slated for mass distributi
Doug,
You've described the poles-apart situations of regulatory compliance very well.
I've worked in both types of situations, and can say that my contribution and
worth to the company in the first example far exceeds anything that can be
achieved in a company of your last example. I've felt
-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough
I read in !emc-pstc that Tania Grant wrote (in
) about 'Sometimes product
safety just isn't enough', on Fri, 14 Dec 2001:
>And we have strayed here from the subject matter (although I do
product safety,
not just submit product to bureaucratic agencies for proof of compliance.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Phillips
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:36 AM
To: Tania Grant
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just is
Gert,
You may be technically correct, but I also believe that we should bring up
citizens to be prudently knowledgeable about electrical hazards. These are
not intuitively obvious. The manufacturer has a responsibility for designing
a safe product. The user has a responsibility for using
Kim,
The 'safest' and sure-proof way of finding out a bona fide safety interlock
switch is to ask the manufacturer to provide you with their agency safety test
report. If the agency is UL, make sure you ask for the "Conditions of
Acceptability" as well, where UL might place restrictions on us
Now we should understand why some agencies have these crazy instructions that
overstate the obvious-- "do not use while in the bathtub "
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Robert Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:11 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.or
You mean, we can't provide a 5 or 10 year warranty??? Will this fall under
the CE marking Directive?? Do we have to sign a Declaration of Conformity???
Personally, I think the Directive directors are nuts in this case. I can see
a warranty document going on and on for pages and pages, enume
Gentlemen,
This discussion sounds better than a PDQ Bach concerto! I am getting an
education here!
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Pettit, Ghery
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:42 PM
To: 'Ehler, Kyle'; 'Aschenberg, Mat'; Pettit, Ghery; 'John Woodgate';
'emc-p...@ma
Chris,
I think you have to generate your own labels or buy them to order. Size would
be an issue. Proper glue would be another issue depending upon the surface
material these labels are to be affixed (metal, plastic), since certain glues
do not adhere to certain plastics.These "Hi-pot OK
My personal experience agrees with John. I prefer to work with Engineering
and reporting someplace in Engineering;-- it makes my job easier when
compliance is "designed" right from the very beginning rather than be
responsible later to get it past agencies. At that point, it suddenly became
Gregg,
I agree with you. Many women have a tendency to use their hands when talking.
I only purchase slacks that have pockets (would you believe that they still
have womens' slacks without pockets?); however, I have not tried standing on
one leg! Let's see, trip and fall and create another u
ort to obtain input from those performing the
various tasks. I was often surprised to receive different inputs from workers
and their managers. Beware of highly placed managers writing detailed
procedures telling others how to do their jobs, without honest input.
Bureaucracy reigns!
ta
Amund,
Since I transferred, over more than 20 years ago, from Quality Assurance to
Regulatory compliance/product safety, I will share with you my opinions and my
experience. However, I would also be interested in hearing about the
experience of others.
In my opinion, QA and regulatory compli
One mink, two mink, three mink (preferred). Or minks. My unabridged Random
House states that the plural is mink, but minks may be used, especially when
referred "collectively".
Personally, I prefer "minkies" ! It would not surprise me that some 10-20
years from now minks would be widel
Well, I must say that I agree with the spirit of what Chris is saying, if not
actually with his exact words!
I believe that a give and take is healthy; a difference of opinion should not
be anathema to this forum. However, we need to remain polite (not rude) and be
somewhat sensitive to the va
they have something else in mind?
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Ken Javor
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tania Grant; Doug McKean; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Define Continuous DC Voltage
I'm probably not providing any assistance, b
Well now, Doug, how about the vast gray area in between?
What if it is 1/50th of an amp?
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:39 PM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Define Continuous DC Voltage
eric.lif...@n
Chris,
The reason that I agree with John that you should be testing both is that the
custom DC cable that you are assembling and shipping with your product can have
marginal or failed insulation that the hi-pot test would catch. Such
potential failures can have spectacular results at your cus
impressed that it takes a guy from England to tell us folks here the
chapter and verse where to find things in our own electrical code. Let's hear
more of such from over the pond!
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Tania Grant
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:39
Ron,
Thank you. I appreciate the reference to the NEC!
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:09 AM
To: Tania Grant
Cc: WELLMAN,RON (A-PaloAlto,ex1); emc
Subject: Re: skinny power cords.
Tania
The V in SVT does
r
cord applications and their respective nomenclature. I know that in the SJTO
designation, the "O" stands for resistance to Oil, and that such cords are
recommended (required?) in industrial areas where oil would likely be present,
such as in car garages, etc.
Tania Grant
tani
Thank you, George, for the correction. An important point in grammar!
"Certified" just doesn't cut it.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: geor...@lexmark.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:33 AM
To: Tania Grant
Cc: Gary McInturff; '
as in CB Scheme???
Certified Body.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:04 PM
To: 'Jody Leber'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: RE: CE Mark
Okay, now how about "CB"
Gary
-Original Message-
Doug,
I am attaching an e-mail posted to this group some time back in 1999. To add
to that e-mail, a colleague from South America explained to me long ago that
many towns close to another border may be actually connected to the other
country's power grid and not their own if they are much furt
Regarding the issue how well the CSA NRTL mark is acceptable in the U.S. and
how well the cUL mark is acceptable in Canada;-- this is where it really pays
to know and understand your customer.
CSA for many many years now has a very heavy advertising campaign in Canada
that only products that a
Jim,
Some suggestions right beneath your questions below.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Jim Eichner
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:49 PM
To: 'EMC-PSTC - forum'
Subject: Component and material traceability
We're trying not to reinvent the wheel, since I suspect ma
Massimo,
I have no experience with medical devices, and there may be formal protocols
that are recommended. Here are a few that I've observed performed on ITE
equipment for non-medical applications.
168 hours burn-in in a heat/humidity chamber, error free;-- if something fails,
it is fixed or
read in !emc-pstc that Tania Grant wrote (in
) about 'CE test suite for
computers', on Sat, 18 Aug 2001:
>Most people will never understand anything unless it is explained
>to them. Merely stating
>that the power distribution in Europe and America is not the s
Rich,
Thank you very very much.
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Rich Nute
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:02 PM
To: taniagr...@msn.com
Cc: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: CE test suite for computers
Hi John and Tania:
Actually, t
Dear Mr. Woodgate,
Most people will never understand anything unless it is explained to them..
Merely stating
that the power distribution in Europe and America is not the same, is not an
explanation but could even be construed as a lofty put-down.
If anyone out there can explain the difference
Doug, et al,
FCC Part 15 addresses digital devices only. And they continue to use the term
"digital" over and over again. The scope of FCC Part 15 does not address
analog devices, whether they be industrial, commercial, or medical test
equipment. However, the FCC are exempting (and som
the whole thing!)
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:59 PM
To: 'wo...@sensormatic.com'; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Hot Swappable Power Supplies ?
Richard,
I'm a little less ebullient today than yeste
language of the country where
the equipment is sold. But again, for non user equipment (i.e., described as
above) the labels and instructions may be in English.
These are in the IEC 60950 standards; however, I have not yet checked the
latest edition.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
Heck!
We're no longer ladies, but we still get denounced! However, it is better
than "burn, baby burn!" (I just wish that Bellcore would get a clue!)
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: John Woodgate
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:
t for you, or because your equipment is just a small pebble in a big
pond of boulders and no one will notice.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:19 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: FCC + FCC = FCC? - O
ents could achieve
similar results. I think that all three are necessary in proper combination.
UL is not a saint, but I believe that they have a more rational approach than
burning equipment,-- like witches were burned in the Dark Ages to prove their
fair or foul status.
Tania Grant
tan
at face
value.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:31 PM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Hot Swappable Power Supplies ?
What's the accessibility to pins or traces or
anything carrying hazardous
27;ve not been doing very much of
that!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: chasgra...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:18 PM
To: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com; croni...@hotmail.com;
emc-p...@majordomo..ieee.org
Subject: Re: FCC + FCC = FCC? - NO However..
Lou,
I got the hiccups just reading your list!
LOL
(Little Ole Lady Laughing Out Loud!)
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Lou Guerin
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:00 PM
To: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts
E-
focused on the main event.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:09 PM
To: 'kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts
Funny how history sort of repeats itself.
The "CE" is a European "mark" on products promulgated by various European
Directives. "CB" is not a "mark."
The CB Scheme started as "a gentlemen's agreement" between various safety labs
(not all necessarily in Europe) to accept each other's test results provided
the labs abided by speci
In Russian, Bez opasnost'means, literally, without hazard/danger
without hazard e.g.: "safe"
Polish, in this case, should be very close to the same meaning. However, as in
all cases,
the ascribed meaning, especially in the case of markings/labeling on p
nfirm this? And what about Bellcore/Telcordia? Do they agree
with the UL position?
Thank you for your responses.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
Dear Kaz,
Surely you are not the only one who would love to know this history. Is it
possible for you to share it with the rest of us!
Thank you,
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:48 AM
To: emc-p
equipment and be done with it!
Your customer will love you.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:54 PM
To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail)
Subject: NEC - 1990 version
I'm trying to make a decision on this issue right at the moment
ets.
Plastering warning labels on breasts will no more eliminate alcoholic babies
than plastering warning labels on men's ... will eliminate HIV.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Gary McInturff
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:33 PM
Thank you, Rich,
Serves me right for throwing out the old UL478 once our products were updated
to UL1950 and relying on memory as to what was inside 478!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Rich Nute
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:04 PM
To: taniagr...@msn.com
Cc
John,
I hate to call you an old-timer;-- I would rather state that you might be
thinking of UL 114 and UL478 standards that are no longer in force. But I
don't believe that even they allowed a willy-nilly change from grounded
equipment to one that is ungrounded, unless provided with a specia
appropriate NRTL mark.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: acar...@uk.xyratex.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:15 PM
To: Enci
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: US Mains Plug/Earthing
If the equipment is for work place use you have the OSHA requirements
enumbered or reassigned the Section references; the content,
however, has not changed from UL 1950 that I have noticed.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Richard Meyette
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:35 PM
To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: Discon
).
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: David Heald
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:18 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; gabb...@zoom.com
Subject: [Fwd: Romania certifications]
Forwarded for Gaby Abboud. Please CC Mr. Abboud on
any replies.
David Heald
test houses in Europe.
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Peter Merguerian
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:14 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org '
Subject: Stuck in Germany!
Dear All,
I have submitted an electronic ballast (ballast designed for building-in and
pr
e new requirements.
Now you find that you bought all three standards!!!
Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com
- Original Message -
From: Peter Tarver
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:14 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: UL1950 vs EN60950
Amund -
For the most part, installation code i
however, for FCC Rules, Part 68 (telephony) requirements,
Registration is the only choice. Many persons confuse the two.
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Thank you, Charlie,
And how and when will this be mandated and enforced?
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Subject: Re
Jim,
Can you identify the U.S. standard that insists on a red LED indicator?
Thank you,
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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are not allowed.
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Re[2]: Shielded power cord, seeking source for
Author: "Jim Hulbert" at P_Int
Very interesting. I did not know this. Where is this stated in the
standard, or elsewhere, and how exactly is this enforced?
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Jeff,
My answers below yours, encased in <<>>.
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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Subject: Compliance Mgmt. for OE
area (Silicon Valley). Please call or e-mail me
directly.
Tania Grant, 408-324-5238; E-mail: tgr...@lucent.com
Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
1001 Murphy Ranch Road
Milpitas, CA 95035Received: from curly.eng.octel.com (148.147.200.26
Hans,
Can you be more specific as to address, phone/fax number, or e-mail
address?
Thank you,
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
tgr...@lucent.com
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just about everything technical
that is published in the O.J. In other words, the scope is very
very broad.
I would be interested to compare this to other services, if such are
available.
Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
ts for wet
locations.
I would be interested to know other opinions!
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Jurisdiction over Electrical Eq
Regarding your "cute footnote":
The same could be stated for certain husbands.
I suggest that you show greater consideration to people; it has been
many many years since polygamy was outlawed by Mormons.
Tania Grant, Octel Comm
l you
friendly UL customer service person and they will steer you in the
right direction.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject
" to "...has been verified to Class B
limits..."
Verification to Class B limits is when you DON'T have a personal
computer, but, for whatever reasons, you want to meet (and do) Class B
limits.
Tania Grant, Octel Com
Rich,
Here is what I have saved about the above countries.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
TURKEY:
* Turkish representative necessary
ome CSA standards are the worst offenders.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: User Friendly Standards
Author: richard.pa...@bangate1.tek.com at
.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
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Subject: RE: ITE or Machine?
Author: Chris Dupres at P_Internet_Mail
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date:4/26/97 2:41 AM
Hi
requirements.
To whom can we complain that this jerking around on the part of CENELEC
is not conducive for harmonized trade in Europe! (Not that they would
listen.)
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
you
could identify it. Thank you.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
You mean the old Marlene Dietrich film..? I remember the film,
but cannot remember the Director, year it was released, etc.
Cannot imagine what it might have to do with electromagnetic compatibility,
but you never know, nowadays!
Tania Grant, Octel
esigned to become obsolete after 3 years.
So this issue is one of concern to us.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
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Subject: Re: Proposed changes to U
Try Rocky Mountain Translators, Inc., in Colorado. They specialize in
technical translations. They are not cheap, but they are good. They
want to understand your vocabulary before they tackle anything.
303-4499-6954; FAX: 303-442-6214.
Tania
uld be interested to
see the viewpoint of others.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: RE: Dilemma, Repaired Units, To CE mark or not ?
Author: "WOODS; RIC
faced with this request I would fight it and/or
switch "bodies".
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Re: Notifed Bodies and Test Sampl
Thank you, Hans, for this bit of history. That would explain the FCC
'easier' limits that are only designed to protect civilian
communications and not military.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...
Ages ago, the spectrum analyzer I used from Tektronix used black on
orange pages in their manual for cautionary statements!
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
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ranges as described
in the ANSI C84.1 document, quoted in a previous answer, because other
parts and equipment follow the nominal breakdown.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply
It is NOT a waste of everyone's time. Thanks to everyone who has
contributed; you have caused some fresh wrinkles to be etched onto
our brains. With appreciation,
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octe
'continuous'!
For that matter, if the power level is not continuous but intermittent,
does this mean that it's O.K. even if the limit is exceeded
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
_
Sandy,
Recent TREG and emc-p...@ieee.org mail shows the following:
Author: par...@bangate.compaq.com at P_Internet_mail
Date:7/25/96 7:57 PM
Priority: Normal
BCC: Tania Grant at P_BSD
TO: at P_Internet_Mail
CC: at P_Internet_Mail
CC
that reading these "whereasses" was so important?!)
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: re: European Directive 86/361/EEC ?
Author: R
frequency of
interest.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
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Subject: Distance between cables
Author: Arno van Kesteren at P_Internet_mail
List-Post: emc
92121
Tel 619-546-3999
FAX 619-546-0364
Gene A. Panger, Dir of Sales, Minnesotta
Tel 612-631-2487; gpan...@tuvps.com
FAX 612-631-3515
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__
Engineers/poets ?!?!
And with a sense of humor, too!
What is this world coming to
However, I'll drink to that when I get home tonight!
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corpor
rence.
Hope this helps.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
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Subject: EMI verses RFI
Author: kathy@eng.sun.com (Kathy Toy) at P_Internet_mail
List-Post
away with 2.0 mm clearance and creepage.
I would not recommend this. Give yourself more 'breathing' space;
you'll sleep better.
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
tania.gr...@octel.com
__
But there is money to be generated by regulating ITE
Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
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Subject: Mexican Product Safety (NOM)
Author: "rbusche" at P_Internet_mail
List
FAX 011-525-294-7089
Tania Grant, Octel Communication Corporation
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Subject: Mexican Product Safety (NOM)
Author: "Cameron; Danny C" at P_Internet_mail
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