Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-17 Thread Ted Eckert
ng bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:44 AM To: Ted Eckert ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: jmw1...@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I am sorry Ted, but that won't work. It overlooks the impact of harmonics on capacitive reluct

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-17 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
one or by e-mail and delete the material from any computer. Thank you for your co-operation. -Original Message- From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday 17 January 2017 01:43 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-16 Thread Ted Eckert
. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Definite need for a flux capacitor or a zwitterion inductor, there. Amendment XVIII coming up?. With best

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-16 Thread John Woodgate
[mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? "... as long as the arrangement can be shown not to reduce the emissions measured from the EUT." Hmm, I wonder how one cou

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-16 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
[mailto:n6...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:57 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? The 4th paragraph of CISPR 32, Edition 1.0, Article D.1.1 states: "Arrangements such as placing AE below the RGP or placing AE outside the measurement

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-16 Thread Grasso, Charles
Quite right James - It will be well received. -Original Message- From: Pawson, James Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 3:03 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Hi John, You are right about impedance discontinuities being a factor. However, in my

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-16 Thread Pawson, James
V.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Exactly : Once the signal is unbalanced (whatever the reason) only shielding can attenuate the emissions. But any unbalance is caused by the EUT at the sending or at the receiving end, not by the cable. Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk berich

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread Brent DeWitt
Thank you for the clarification Ghery. -Original Message- From: Ghery S. Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:57 PM To: 'Brent DeWitt' ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? The 4th paragraph of CISPR 32, E

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread Ghery S. Pettit
on't see a conflict between CISPR 32 and ANSI C63.4 in this area. Ghery S. Pettit -Original Message- From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 5:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? It seems that there

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread John Woodgate
ettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:46 PM To: 'John Woodgate' ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? So, contact your national committee representatives to CISPR H and ask that they do this. Ghery S. Pettit Chair, CISPR SC I

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread Ghery S. Pettit
he sender either by telephone or by e-mail and delete the material from any computer. Thank you for your co-operation. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday 14 January 2017 11:14 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread John Woodgate
2017 3:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? John, While your libertine approach might feel attractive, it means also that the liberated spectrum area like this (by increasing B to A) also means the same spectrum an never be used again for new purposes in the fu

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread Brent DeWitt
Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 4:57 AM To: Brent DeWitt ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Exactly : Once the signal is unbalanced (whatever the reason) only shielding can attenuate the emissions. But any unbalan

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
your co-operation. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday 14 January 2017 12:46 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Interesting. I think CISPR/H should be required to study the relevance of emission limits de

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread Schmidt, Mark
Great discussion - thanks to all. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" Date: 01/14/2017 6:06 AM (GMT-05:00) To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread John Woodgate
.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:05 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
either by telephone or by e-mail and delete the material from any computer. Thank you for your co-operation. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday 14 January 2017 11:14 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread John Woodgate
ubject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Exactly : Once the signal is unbalanced (whatever the reason) only shielding can attenuate the emissions. But any unbalance is caused by the EUT at the sending or at the receiving end, not by the cable. Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht-

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
...@ix.netcom.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 14 januari 2017 2:17 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I did some experiments with equipment (Blu-Ray players and TVs) that showed that the introduction of an off-the-shelf, poorly constructed, short, cable to cable adapter

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Brent DeWitt
. Brent DeWitt, AB1LF Milford, MA -Original Message- From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? " I suspect this is just equipment originat

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Brent DeWitt
: > Conversation: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > I wonder if RF current on the coax coming in to the cable box then radiates > from the HDMI cable? All that overhead cable strung through residential > neighborhoods must pick

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4

2017-01-13 Thread Grasso, Charles
Because that is the ANSI requirement irrespective. -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4 Why?? I get that on an OATS - there

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread john Allen
les.gra...@echosetar.com] Sent: 13 January 2017 20:47 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG. Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Which goes back to my musing : With so much money and effort applied to EMC (especially emissions!) shouldn't compliant product (including cables and so on) be th

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Schmidt, Mark
delinquent causing me grief. So it is not a peripheral it is part of the DUT. -Original Message- From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Which goes back to

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Grasso, Charles
verse that or.well the next conclusion is obvious. -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Why would one feel, philosophically, that

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 1/13/2017 2:21 PM, Ken Javor wrote: Why would one feel, philosophically, that it is required had to meet a limit with a noisy peripheral? You are not responsible for the peripheral's noise contribution, right? One couldn't, and for the monitors, THIS one didn't have to; we didn't buy them.

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4

2017-01-13 Thread Grasso, Charles
the cable? Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Doug Smith > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:32:06 -0800 > To: , Ken Javor > > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > Hi Ken, > > Unless you are required to include a 4k TV or other device

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Ken Javor
:00 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > On 1/12/2017 10:26 PM, Ken Javor wrote: >> If I am qualifying a device that connects through a cable to this TV, but not >> the TV itself, why would it physically have to be part of the set-up in the >> test

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4

2017-01-13 Thread Ken Javor
Why?? I get that on an OATS - there is no other room. But why in a SAC? Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: "Grasso, Charles" > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:03:20 + > To: 'Ken Javor' , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" > > Conversation: [PSES] low

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 1/12/2017 10:26 PM, Ken Javor wrote: If I am qualifying a device that connects through a cable to this TV, but not the TV itself, why would it physically have to be part of the set-up in the test chamber? Why could it not simply be support equipment in an adjacent chamber, providing the pro

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
id Product Compliance Solar Business Schneider Electric -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Exactly. Nowadays it

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread John Allen
- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: 13 January 2017 09:01 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Exactly. Nowadays it's easy to filter high speed ports, and in the case of shielded cable this is even

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
ace at the end of the cable? Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Doug Smith > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:32:06 -0800 > To: , Ken Javor > > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > Hi Ken, > > Unless you are required to include a 4k TV o

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread Ken Javor
Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Doug Smith > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:32:06 -0800 > To: , Ken Javor > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > Hi Ken, > > Unless you are required to include a 4k TV or other device as part of > your test se

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread Doug Smith
Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Ralph McDiarmid > Reply-To: Ralph McDiarmid > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:59:57 + > To: > Conversation: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > I wonder if RF current on the coax com

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread Ken Javor
ation: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > I wonder if RF current on the coax coming in to the cable box then radiates > from the HDMI cable? All that overhead cable strung through residential > neighborhoods must pick up a lot of RFI on it

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
I wonder if RF current on the coax coming in to the cable box then radiates from the HDMI cable? All that overhead cable strung through residential neighborhoods must pick up a lot of RFI on its outer braid. Ralph McDiarmid Product Compliance Solar Business Schneider Electric - --

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread John Allen
From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 12 January 2017 14:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I doubt that is possible, since the cable is the main source of radiated emissions. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread John Woodgate
Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:58 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? This issue about HDMI cables must raise the question: if ALL commercially-available cables are as bad as has been reported, then should not

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread Ghery S. Pettit
AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? This issue about HDMI cables must raise the question: if ALL commercially-available cables are as bad as has been reported, then should not the AV equipment manufacturers take that into consideration when designing

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread John Allen
ents without the need for something that is not actually available to the consumers who will buy them? John E Allen W. London, UK From: Schmidt, Mark [mailto:markschm...@xrite.com] Sent: 12 January 2017 13:40 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread John Woodgate
o.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Schmidt, Mark [mailto:markschm...@xrite.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I too have had numerous HDMI problems in the pa

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-12 Thread Schmidt, Mark
cable for RF. Thanks, Mark From: Ghery S. Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Brent, I ran into a problem with HDMI cables back in 2014. It seems that the HDMI specification for the

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-11 Thread Ghery S. Pettit
[mailto:lanterna.viri...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:34 AM To: Brent DeWitt Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I added the FCC search option initially based on my first search returning one example from a supplier whose North American office is

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-11 Thread Brent DeWitt
] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:34 AM To: Brent DeWitt Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I added the FCC search option initially based on my first search returning one example from a supplier whose North American office is near me in the Atlanta

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-11 Thread Adam Dixon
aviors. > > > > -Adam in Atlanta > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:30 AM, Pawson, James > wrote: > > Hi Brent, > > > > I’ve had some success with a (now slightly old) Samsung 4k TV that wasn’t > too noisy, model UE48JU7000T. > > > > Jame

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Brent DeWitt
Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? In addition to the recommendations such as James', it may be worth some time looking at teardown videos (YouTube, iFixit, etc.) and FCC filings (the internal photos entry among all of the documents) to get an idea of construction. You won't k

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Brent DeWitt
rather than somebody else’s. Thanks for the support! Brent From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? The thread is about finding low-emission products (well below

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Grasso, Charles
Hello Jim, Did you get the unintentional emissions report or did you review the reports from the OET website? From: Jim Bacher [mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:16 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? It is ok to post

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Ed Price
Witt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I should have mentioned that, in this case, we (Bose Corp.) are the test lab and it's our equipment we're testing. We just came out wi

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread John Woodgate
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? [ShowerThoughts] Given the amount of effort that goes into EMC research, design, manufacturing etc.. shouldn’t compliant devices be the norm and not the exception? [I understand variability and so on … but really …?] Best Regards

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Ken Wyatt
mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com> > > > > From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:11 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > I should have mentioned that, in this case, we (Bos

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Grasso, Charles
0, 2017 2:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? I should have mentioned that, in this case, we (Bose Corp.) are the test lab and it's our equipment we're testing. We just came out with a couple of new audio-for-video devices that route HDMI

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Brent DeWitt
Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? It is ok to post recommendations on devices that are good for testing to this list.  As the list is archived one can always search the archives for such things. I have used several approaches to finding good support devices. I have like others looked at FCC te

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Ken Wyatt
Hi Brent, When I was looking for my first big flat screen TV, it was just when LED backlighting was coming into vogue. A friend of mine, and amateur radio astronomer, had earlier purchased one of the plasma sets from Panasonic and discovered the broadband noise level had increased by 30 dB at h

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Jim Bacher
It is ok to post recommendations on devices that are good for testing to this list. As the list is archived one can always search the archives for such things. I have used several approaches to finding good support devices. I have like others looked at FCC test reports. For the most part it was

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Adam Dixon
mes > > > > > > > > *From:* Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com] > *Sent:* 10 January 2017 01:57 > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? > > > > Hi group, > > > > Any suggestions on the best available 4

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-10 Thread Pawson, James
Hi Brent, I've had some success with a (now slightly old) Samsung 4k TV that wasn't too noisy, model UE48JU7000T. James From: Brent DeWitt [mailto:bdew...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: 10 January 2017 01:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? Hi g

[PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-09 Thread Brent DeWitt
Hi group, Any suggestions on the best available 4k TV for emissions testing support? We seem to be in a continuous churn of looking for good, commercially available, sources and sinks. It would be a real plus if it also had ARC capability! I'm also wondering if there would be much support