Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

2021-06-23 Thread Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety Caution: This email message originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. If you think it is suspicious

Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

2021-06-16 Thread David Huff
From: Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) <123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:16 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety Thank you all!! Any other recommendations how to justify functional safety c

Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

2021-06-16 Thread Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)
ay, 16 June 2021 00:10 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety Caution: This email message originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

2021-06-15 Thread John E Allen
. London, UK. From: Brian Kunde Sent: 15 June 2021 21:10 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety IEC/EN/UL 61010-1 standard in section 17 states that if there is a hazard not addressed by the standard that you must perform a risk

Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

2021-06-15 Thread Brian Kunde
o valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1 > > There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas > detector for that. > > The question is that as it is not a Machinery (no moving part) , don’t we > need to apply functional

[PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

2021-06-15 Thread Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)
Good morning all We have a system that generates a chemical but without pumps and only electro valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1 There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas detector for that. The question

Re: [PSES] Retesting needed for EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019??

2021-05-25 Thread Charlie Blackham
https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-61010-1-2010-a1-2019 gives clause by clause changes Unfortunately you will need to review it against your product with existing report to see which clauses are applicable and what changes any applicable clauses would require Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham

Re: [PSES] Retesting needed for EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019??

2021-05-25 Thread Wiseman, Joshua
needed for EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019?? EXTERNAL SENDER: Verify links, attachments and sender before taking action Good morning all I have just reviewed the EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019 and there a lot of changes. Most of them seems clarifications but I am not sure if we need to retest equipment c

[PSES] Retesting needed for EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019??

2021-05-25 Thread Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)
Good morning all I have just reviewed the EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019 and there a lot of changes. Most of them seems clarifications but I am not sure if we need to retest equipment checked for EN 61010-1:2010 to add A1:2029 Does anyone have a clear picture: 1.if retesting is required 2.if yes

[PSES] EN 61010-1 ANNEX E POLLUTION DEGREE REDUCTION

2020-09-18 Thread Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)
Good morning everybody There is a table E.2 related to Reduction of Pollution Degrees in EN 61010-1. I am a little confuse how to use ☹ For example: If we have equipment in Pollution Degree 3 environment and we want test internally for Pollution Degree 2, we need to use an enclosure IPx7

Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 accessible Energy Hazard

2019-10-17 Thread John Woodgate
I recommend covering anything that would cause sparks if shorted. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-10-17 19:05, Richard Nute wrote: Hi Charlie: Is there a clause/requirement in 61010-1 similar to 60950-1

Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 accessible Energy Hazard

2019-10-17 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Charlie: Is there a clause/requirement in 61010-1 similar to 60950-1 clause 2.1.1.5 where a SELV source >240 VA is not permitted to be accessible in an Operator Area I could not find this requirement in 61010-1, 3rd edition. The 240 VA requirement does not insure safety due

[PSES] EN 61010-1 accessible Energy Hazard

2019-10-14 Thread Charlie Blackham
All Is there a clause/requirement in 61010-1 similar to 60950-1 clause 2.1.1.5 where a SELV source >240 VA is not permitted to be accessible in an Operator Area The specific example I'm looking at is a pair of rack mounted units where the 10V/40A output has been paralleled with a 2nd unit in

Re: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-28 Thread Bill Stumpf
C-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment Take a look at 15.103b). There is an exemption for electronic control equipment used within an industrial plant: (b) A digital device used exclusively as an electronic control or power system utilized by a

Re: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-28 Thread Carl Newton
the product is not industrial test equipment, it is not exempt from FCC authorization (Verification) procedures. Bill *From:*Michael Loerzer [mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de] *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:45 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN

Re: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-28 Thread Bill Stumpf
-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment Hi, is for a modular 19'' draw-out unit system with a power supply and control unit to control LED modules for industrial application in the laboratory environment (EU: EN 61010-1, EN 61326-1 for LVD and EMCD

[PSES] AW: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Loerzer
Von: Ghery S. Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. November 2016 17:56 An: loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: RE: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment If this is commercial equipment, then the Class A limits would be appro

[PSES] AW: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Loerzer
-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: RE: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment Take a look at 47 CFR 15.103 to see if your device is exempt first. Best regards, Ron Wellman From: Michael Loerzer [mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 2:45 AM

Re: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-27 Thread Carl Newton
with a power supply and control unit to control LED modules for industrial application in the laboratory environment (EU: EN 61010-1, EN 61326-1 for LVD and EMCD) the FCC requirements mandatory? In my point of view the answer is “yes”. And I have recommended my customer to apply the FCC Part

Re: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-27 Thread Ghery S. Pettit
method for Class A products. Ghery S. Pettit, NCE Pettit EMC Consulting LLC gh...@pettitemcconsulting.com From: Michael Loerzer [mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 2:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1

Re: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-27 Thread Ron Wellman
Take a look at 47 CFR 15.103 to see if your device is exempt first. Best regards, Ron Wellman From: Michael Loerzer [mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 2:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

[PSES] US EMC req. for EN 61010-1/EN 61326-1 equipment

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Loerzer
Hi, is for a modular 19'' draw-out unit system with a power supply and control unit to control LED modules for industrial application in the laboratory environment (EU: EN 61010-1, EN 61326-1 for LVD and EMCD) the FCC requirements mandatory? In my point of view the answer is “yes”. And I have

[PSES] EN 61010 and (un) safe components

2014-01-13 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
to comply with the ATEX directive. (the LVD excludes ATEX ). EN 61010-1 allows for the use of “untested” components if they show up to comply with the equipment standards EN 61010. Now I am curious to what extent, and what method you are using to show their safe use –tested to EN 61010

Re: [PSES] EN 61010 and (un) safe components - and my additional rant

2014-01-13 Thread Brian Oconnell
, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 7:32 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EN 61010 and (un) safe components Best friends and collegues I have always carried out Electrical Safety tests as evaluating and testing

Re: [PSES] EN 61010 and (un) safe components - and my additional rant

2014-01-13 Thread John Woodgate
In message 31634bef4bce4fd3a71ef2d007459...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com , dated Mon, 13 Jan 2014, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: 3. Do not ignore ratings or warnings on equipment labels. Do not re-test to assume a 'reasonable' rating because you know better; you do

[PSES] EN 61010

2014-01-06 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Hello Collegues, Best wishes from Rotterdam for the year to come to all of you ! Am I right in concluding that EN 61010 does not allow a Class I instrument to have a basic insulation between mains and secondary , but actually requires a reinforced (3500 Vac HiPot) insulation in all

Re: [PSES] EN 61010

2014-01-06 Thread Kunde, Brian
] EN 61010 Hello Collegues, Best wishes from Rotterdam for the year to come to all of you ! Am I right in concluding that EN 61010 does not allow a Class I instrument to have a basic insulation between mains and secondary , but actually requires a reinforced (3500 Vac HiPot) insulation in all

Re: [PSES] EN 61010

2014-01-06 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
: [PSES] EN 61010 That is basically correct if the secondary is accessible to the operator. If the secondary circuit is not accessible to the operator then Basic is allowed. Refer to Annex D for all the different combinations and situations. The Test Voltages for solid insulation is found

[PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-07 Thread Niels Hougaard
An answer from the Danish authority in the field of EN 61010-1 says: As the product is connected to mains by means of a plug it is falling under 9.6.1 and shall be provided with an overcurrent protection. Section 9.6.3 - Other equipment cover only products that are not connected to mains

[PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Niels Hougaard
Dear list members, EN 61010-1:2010 §9.6 is concerning Overcurrent protection. All equipment supplied from mains must be protected by some sort of overcurrent protection device. §9.6.3 for non-permanently connected equipment says “If an overcurrent protection device is provided, it shall

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 003701ced6e7$18e84df0$4ab8e9d0$@dk, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk writes: EN 61010-1:2010 §9.6 is concerning Overcurrent protection. All equipment supplied from mains must be protected by some sort of overcurrent protection device.   §9.6.3 for non

[PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Niels Hougaard
[mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sendt: 1. november 2013 11:00 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection In message 003701ced6e7$18e84df0$4ab8e9d0$@dk, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk writes: EN 61010-1:2010 §9.6 is concerning

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 004c01ced6f2$b8ebbd90$2ac338b0$@dk, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk writes: Thank you for the answer. It is the word if in the beginning of the sentence that to me indicates that there is the other possibility if not as well. I understand your point, but I

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread CR
Reading only the information in these messages. . . one really stupid but *possible* interpretation of the wording “If an overcurrent protection device is provided, it shall be within the equipment”, would be that if an overcurrent protection device -- a mains circuit breaker, say -- is

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
and Compliance Engineer Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: Niels Hougaard n...@bolls.dk To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 4:45:23 AM Subject: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection Dear list members,   EN 61010-1:2010 §9.6

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 435656780.4337510.1383321906804.javamail.r...@sz0110a.emeryville.ca.mail .comcast.net, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Mike Sherman - Original Message - msherma...@comcast.net writes: If you think of non-permanently connected equipment as cord-and-plug connected equipment, it is not

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message wlkhjpive9csf...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes: Sorry; a typo occurred. This is what I meant: There is another discussion going on elsewhere about similar texts in IEC/EN 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1. A general re-think about how to

Re: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 81c2032ccae04a448ae81107862dc...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com , dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: Cannot comment on BS7671 or IEC60364, but all North American building codes (e.g., NEC article 240) have overcurrent protection

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread Richard Nute
9.6 Overcurrent protection (no text) 9.6.1 General (uses the word shall; not the word must) 9.6.2 Permanently connected equipment 9.6.3 Other equipment In context of the Clause, the requirement of 9.6.3 is to require the overcurrent device, if provided, be a part of the equipment. (Once it had

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Concerning EN 61010-1, §9.6 Overcurrent protection

2013-11-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message 5273fde9.8050...@ieee.org, dated Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: 9.6 Overcurrent protection (no text) 9.6.1 General (uses the word shall; not the word must) Ah, well, the information posted was incorrect but I assumed it was correct. -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] Test Voltages for secondary circuit creepage distances IEC/EN 61010:2010 section 6.7.3

2013-01-29 Thread John Allen
' Subject: FW: Test Voltages for secondary circuit creepage distances IEC/EN 61010:2010 section 6.7.3 Ray You kindly helped me a few months ago on the changes between Ed 2 Ed 3 of the standard, and we have been getting into it in quite a lot of detail in my new contract job - but we have run

Re: [PSES] Test Voltages for secondary circuit creepage distances IEC/EN 61010:2010 section 6.7.3

2013-01-29 Thread John Woodgate
In message 000f01cdfe22$c5c88b50$5159a1f0$@blueyonder.co.uk, dated Tue, 29 Jan 2013, John Allen john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: You kindly helped me a few months ago on the changes between Ed 2 Ed 3 of the standard, and we have been getting into it in quite a lot of detail in my new

Re: [PSES] Test Voltages for secondary circuit creepage distances IEC/EN 61010:2010 section 6.7.3

2013-01-29 Thread John Allen
for secondary circuit creepage distances IEC/EN 61010:2010 section 6.7.3 In message 000f01cdfe22$c5c88b50$5159a1f0$@blueyonder.co.uk, dated Tue, 29 Jan 2013, John Allen john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: You kindly helped me a few months ago on the changes between Ed 2 Ed 3 of the standard, and we have

[PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1

2012-04-25 Thread Doug Powell
The in the acoustics section 12.5 of 61010-1 are the concepts of operator and bystander positions. The standard clearly states dimensions for the test room, yet it does not clearly state what distances are for personnel. Let's assume a control panel is mounted in a rack system, at eye-level, and

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1

2012-04-25 Thread John Woodgate
In message cabyvtvnhzay5zhrf6b6zvgqbxhskbtnwkxbu2n59xq2dz0q...@mail.gmail.com, dated Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Doug Powell doug...@gmail.com writes: The in the acoustics section 12.5 of 61010-1 are the concepts of operator and bystander positions.  The standard clearly states dimensions for the test

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1

2012-04-25 Thread Kunde, Brian
take measurements on all four sides at a 1 meter distance and 1.6 meters off the floor. The Other Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:47 PM To: emc-pstc Subject: IEC/EN 61010-1 The in the acoustics section 12.5

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1

2012-04-25 Thread Doug Powell
the floor. The Other Brian *From:* emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] *On Behalf Of *Doug Powell *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:47 PM *To:* emc-pstc *Subject:* IEC/EN 61010-1 The in the acoustics section 12.5 of 61010-1 are the concepts of operator and bystander positions

[PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

2012-02-15 Thread IUnwin
with the product, for the equipment to be approved under IEC/EN 61010-1 Ed.3 are the requirements of Clause 6.10.2.2 Cord anchorage applicable? Many thanks in anticipation of your responses. Ian Unwin Servomex company information and outgoing e-mail advice. Servomex Group Limited, Jarvis

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

2012-02-15 Thread John Cotman
the equipment in such a way that it might be subject to pulling, and so needing an anchorage? John C _ From: iun...@servomex.com [mailto:iun...@servomex.com] Sent: 15 February 2012 10:22 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

2012-02-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message of41dc1b7b.47d772a4-on802579a5.00361540-802579a5.0038f...@servomex.com, dated Wed, 15 Feb 2012, iun...@servomex.com writes: Given that no power cable or cable gland is shipped with the product, for the equipment to be approved under IEC/EN 61010-1 Ed.3 are the requirements

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

2012-02-15 Thread Kunde, Brian
, 2012 5:22 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords Dear Group, Consider a product that is intended to be connected to mains power via a non- detachable power cord that is fed into the equipment through a cable gland (compression bushing) fitted

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

2012-02-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB01C6BD31@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: Many high current products are shipped without power cords mainly because of the wide variety of plugs and local electric code requirements for

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

2012-02-15 Thread Kunde, Brian
Of John Woodgate Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB01C6BD31@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1, Ed.3 and non-detachable power cords

2012-02-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message 64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB01C6BDAA@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, dated Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes: When you purchase an electric dryer or range in Europe, do they come with a flexible power cord? A dryer, normally yes, a range is permanently

RE: EN 60950:2001 and EN 61010-1 Transformer tests

2010-03-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
and/or current protection used. Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of iun...@servomex.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:17 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EN 60950:2001 and EN 61010-1 Transformer tests Dear Group, Can anybody provide me details of the tests

Re: EN 60950:2001 and EN 61010-1 Transformer tests

2010-03-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
with the requirements of EN 60950:2001 Do you really mean that old version? and how they compare with the mains transformer compliance requirements of EN 61010 Ed. 1, or EN 61010-1 Ed. 2? You are asking for a substantial part of the standard, when the cross-references and annexes are included. Some County

EN 60950:2001 and EN 61010-1 Transformer tests

2010-03-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Group, Can anybody provide me details of the tests (overload, insulation, fire, etc,) that would have been applied to a mains transformer in accordance with the requirements of EN 60950:2001 and how they compare with the mains transformer compliance requirements of EN 61010 Ed. 1, or EN

EN 61010-1 1 ed.

2009-05-25 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi We need an old version of EN 61010-1 1ed. 1993 and A2 1995, but can’t find a pdf to buy. Can someone help me with a pdf version or point me to a web from where I can buy it. Best regards, Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48

RE: Advice on IEC/EN 61010-1

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
...@servomex.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:55 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Advice on IEC/EN 61010-1 Dear Group, I'm looking for some assistance on the interpretation of IEC/EN 61010-1, Clause 9.2.1 b) 3). This states that non-metallic materials used for enclosures shall have

Advice on IEC/EN 61010-1

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Group, I'm looking for some assistance on the interpretation of IEC/EN 61010-1, Clause 9.2.1 b) 3). This states that non-metallic materials used for enclosures shall have a flammability classification of F-V1, or better. Does this requirement apply to plastics materials used to form small

RE: EN 61010-1 - Clearances

2007-11-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
-407-6872 Fax: 970-407-5872 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:52 AM To: iun...@servomex.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EN 61010-1 - Clearances Regarding Case 1 (and any other where voltages do not exceed

RE: EN 61010-1 - Clearances

2007-11-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of iun...@servomex.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:49 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EN 61010-1 - Clearances Dear All, I have three questions regarding the calculation of clearances in accordance with the requirements of EN 61010-1. Can

EN 61010-1 - Clearances

2007-11-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear All, I have three questions regarding the calculation of clearances in accordance with the requirements of EN 61010-1. Can anybody out there help please? Case 1 - Mains input transformer (230 Vac rms, Over-voltage category 2) supplies an ac to dc converter providing +15 Vdc output

Re: Touch temperature of parts (UL/EN 61010)

2005-09-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk wrote (in p06210208bf4d87730265@[192.168.1.9]) about 'Touch temperature of parts (UL/EN 61010)', on Wed, 14 Sep 2005: EN 563:1994 Safety of machinery. Temperatures of touchable surfaces. Ergonomics data to establish temperature limit values for hot

Re: Touch temperature of parts (UL/EN 61010)

2005-09-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Duncan, EN 563:1994 Safety of machinery. Temperatures of touchable surfaces. Ergonomics data to establish temperature limit values for hot surfaces should help you to identify whether the combination of temperature and thermal conductivity represents a significant risk or not in your

Re: Touch temperature of parts (UL/EN 61010)

2005-09-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Duncan, My opinion is that you have to comply with the maximum 55 C metallic requirements unless the combination metal and polymeric coating is evaluated for adhesion properties.How can one be assured that the polymeric coating is not going to diminish after some time? Peter Merguerian

Touch temperature of parts (UL/EN 61010)

2005-09-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Group, UL61010B-1 and EN61010-1 define upper temperature limits for parts of the equipment, specifically handles have a maximum limit of 55C if they are metalic or 70C if they are non metalic. The standard also permits handles that are non metalic and held only for short periods to a maximum

FW: IEC/EN 61010-1 Edition 2 - Collation of comments

2005-01-28 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
be made of all the values stated in Table 9 as the existance of the above probable error brings in to doubt the rest. Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' (Gail Birdsall, Hach Co.) Most recent version of UL 61010-1 (July 2004) - they have added a deviation

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1 Edition 2

2004-12-08 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IEC/EN 61010-1 Edition 2 In article bfe68ab0084cd311b4fb00508b014c8706063...@mercury.era.co.uk, John Allen john.al...@era.co.uk writes For the mutual benefit (and certainly for my own!) I am going to try to put together a collated set of the comments on the above

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1 Edition 2

2004-12-08 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article bfe68ab0084cd311b4fb00508b014c8706063...@mercury.era.co.uk, John Allen john.al...@era.co.uk writes For the mutual benefit (and certainly for my own!) I am going to try to put together a collated set of the comments on the above, from what we already knew and what people have

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1 Edition 2

2004-12-08 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Folks For the mutual benefit (and certainly for my own!) I am going to try to put together a collated set of the comments on the above, from what we already knew and what people have sent me in the last few days. I will also include anything I can find publically on IEC and CENELEC CTL

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-05 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
...@ieee.org Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' In article faegibahkcpnhedmkkdfeejdcfaa.rwell...@wellman.com, Ronald R. Wellman rwell...@wellman.com writes Just as an FYI, IEC 61010-1, third edition is at CDV status. I am

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-05 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article faegibahkcpnhedmkkdfeejdcfaa.rwell...@wellman.com, Ronald R. Wellman rwell...@wellman.com writes Just as an FYI, IEC 61010-1, third edition is at CDV status. I am hoping that the members of TC 66 are taking note of these issues and will take them under consideration so the

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-05 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Posts (E-mail) Cc: Roger Mccoy mailto:roger.mc...@veris.com Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' Hello all, Just as an FYI, IEC 61010-1, third edition is at CDV status. I am hoping that the members of TC 66 are taking

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-05 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
...@listserv.ieee.org mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Allen Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:40 AM To: 'Camille Good'; - EMC PSTC Posts (E-mail) Cc: Roger Mccoy Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' Camille In addition to the errors you mention

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-03 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
accessibility and protective bonding. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Allen Sent: November 30, 2004 5:27 AM To: - EMC PSTC Posts (E-mail) Subject: IEC/EN 61010

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
] Sent: 01 December 2004 15:02 To: John Allen; Gordon,Ian; IEEE EMC-PSTC GROUP Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' John, Have you noticed that in the most recent version of UL 61010-1 (July 2004), that they have added a deviation to table 9 of the IEC 61010-1

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Allen Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:13 AM To: 'Gordon,Ian'; John Allen; 'IEEE EMC-PSTC GROUP' Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' Ian et al These are the ones I identified a couple of years ago, copied from text I

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article bfe68ab0084cd311b4fb00508b014c8706063...@mercury.era.co.uk, John Allen john.al...@era.co.uk writes No, because previous experience in submitting lists of errors and omissions jointly to the BSI Committe Secretary and the UK Chairman of the IEC/EN committees for 61010 got

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article bfe68ab0084cd311b4fb00508b014c8706063...@mercury.era.co.uk, John Allen john.al...@era.co.uk writes IMHO (as an Ex-BSI standards project manager, and a drafter/reviewer of many in-company procedures and process documents), the range of definitions is woefully incomplete and

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
John See response to your previous message! John Allen -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [ mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 01 December 2004 12:19 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' In article

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article bfe68ab0084cd311b4fb00508b014c8706063...@mercury.era.co.uk, John Allen john.al...@era.co.uk writes Also. assuming that we are correct we do need the correct values for 1.5mm, please could you find a way of making this information available in advance of the long process of

FW: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
MInstP Engineer - Special Products Land Instruments International Dronfield S18 1 DJ England -Original Message- From: John Allen [SMTP:john.al...@era.co.uk] Sent: 01 December 2004 10:13 AM To: 'Gordon,Ian'; John Allen; 'IEEE EMC-PSTC GROUP' Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001

Re-2: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
hello group! there are also draft version as DIN IEC 61010-1 of march 2004 and a final version for EN 61010-2-010 of june 2004 (IEC 2003) sometimes it helps me to clarify some thoughts :-) BTW. good to hear that I'm not the only one..as I'm new in the biz. Best regards, Michael Kern

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
[ mailto:ian.gor...@bocedwards.com] Sent: 01 December 2004 09:58 To: 'John Allen'; 'IEEE EMC-PSTC GROUP' Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' John et al Does anyone have a list of errors in the document which they would share with the group? Ian Gordon BOC

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
John et al Does anyone have a list of errors in the document which they would share with the group? Ian Gordon BOC Edwards *** This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed.

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-12-01 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
2004 20:03 To: - EMC PSTC Posts (E-mail) Cc: Roger Mccoy Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' I would definitely agree that 61010-1 is confusing! However, what are the errors in 6.7.3.2 and Table 9? I remember there was some discussion on this list a while

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-11-30 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
answers can only be found in the standards listed in Annex ZA. luck, Brian -Original Message- From: John Allen [mailto:john.al...@era.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:27 AM To: - EMC PSTC Posts (E-mail) Subject: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-11-30 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Posts (E-mail) Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' Mr. Allen, My personal rule is either the apparatus is ultimately connected to mains, or it is not; and various NCBs has supported that analysis. For an apparatus connected to mains, refer to Annex D

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-11-30 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
-mail) Subject: IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits' Hi Folks Sub-Clause 6.7.3.1 Clearance values - General and Table 5 of Clause 6.7.3. Circuits other than MAINS CIRCUITS refers to the term 'Circuits derived from MAINS CIRCUITS'. However, nowhere in the standard

IEC/EN 61010-1, 2001 'Circuits derived from Mains Circuits'

2004-11-30 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Folks Sub-Clause 6.7.3.1 Clearance values - General and Table 5 of Clause 6.7.3. Circuits other than MAINS CIRCUITS refers to the term 'Circuits derived from MAINS CIRCUITS'. However, nowhere in the standard are there clear definitions or ranges of examples of what these circuits are, or of

EN 61010-1 safety question

2003-12-12 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Hi Group, I have a question about determining clearance distance using EN 61010-1:2001 (the Second Edition): If I have the 230 VAC mains connected to the primary of an isolation transformer and the transformer steps the voltage down to 100 VAC on the secondary, is the 100 VAC secondary

Fw: EN 61010-2-101

2003-12-01 Thread Konrad Stefanski
- Original Message - From: Konrad mailto:kstef...@poczta.onet.pl Stefanski To: EMC pstc mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: EN 61010-2-101 Dear Group Maybe one of You know standard EN 61010-2-101. I would like to ask You

EN 61010-2-101

2003-12-01 Thread Konrad Stefanski
Dear Group Maybe one of You know standard EN 61010-2-101. I would like to ask You if this standard contains EMC requirements? Thank You

Re: Creepage/clearance in EN 61010-1

2002-05-13 Thread T.Sato
On Fri, 10 May 2002 12:57:16 +0200, Kim Boll Jensen kimb...@post7.tele.dk wrote: I have problems concerning clearance and creepage values in EN61010-1. I have a product with a 24 ac and a 230 relay. The 24ac can be used for sensors and are regarded as double insulated in the 230 Vac

Creepage/clearance in EN 61010-1

2002-05-10 Thread Kim Boll Jensen
Hi all I have problems concerning clearance and creepage values in EN61010-1. I have a product with a 24 ac and a 230 relay. The 24ac can be used for sensors and are regarded as double insulated in the 230 Vac transformer for safe operation. But what are the clearance and creepage to the 230

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1:2001 - Dielectric Strength Testing Question ( another)

2002-04-16 Thread John Allen
. Sound reasonable? John Allen - Original Message - From: Andrew Wood andrew.w...@landinst.com To: 'John Allen' ja014d7...@blueyonder.co.uk Cc: 'emc-pstc' emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: RE: IEC/EN 61010-1:2001 - Dielectric Strength Testing Question ( another

RE: IEC/EN 61010-1:2001 - Dielectric Strength Testing Question ( another)

2002-04-16 Thread Andrew Wood
-Original Message- From: John Allen [SMTP:ja014d7...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 15 April 2002 20:44 To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Re: IEC/EN 61010-1:2001 - Dielectric Strength Testing Question ( another) Hi Folks My turn to ask some questions as a newcomer to this version

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1:2001 - Dielectric Strength Testing Question ( another)

2002-04-16 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Allen ja014d7...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote (in 006a01c1e4b5$f4967880$0200a8c0@johnallen) about 'IEC/EN 61010-1:2001 - Dielectric Strength Testing Question ( another)', on Mon, 15 Apr 2002: My turn to ask some questions as a newcomer to this version

Re: IEC/EN 61010-1:2001 - Dielectric Strength Testing Question ( another)

2002-04-15 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks My turn to ask some questions as a newcomer to this version of the standard: 1 Dielectric Strength Testing to Clause 6.8.4 Voltage tests Table 9 Test voltages for BASIC INSULATION. Can anyone confirm my suspicion that there may be a misprint in Column 1 Clearance of Table 9 , as

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