RE: doubt on conducted emissions

2000-08-04 Thread eric . lifsey
available channels that are unusable due to noise, forcing the phone to hunt for a new channel. (Hello Motorola, Nokia...) This channel hunting feature is the only reliable way a cell phone can function around other electronics. And, don't forget broadband noise emissions which can disturb numerous

doubt on conducted emissions

2000-08-03 Thread Muriel Bittencourt de Liz
Hello Group, I have some doubts concerning conducted emissions: 1. I'll make a hypothetical case: Let's say I have 2 electronic equipment (they can be switched mode power supplies). Equipment A requires 100W. Equipment B requires 3W. Let's say that my readings of conducted emissions, collected

RE: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions

2000-08-02 Thread Gorodetsky, Vitaly
For the folks interested in the subject of EMI Emissions Test on Telecom Ports (according to EN55022:1998/CISPR 22: 1997), I would recommend an excellent Article by Dr. R. Gubish in the April 2000 issue of the TM World. Vitaly Gorodetsky Compliance Engineer Direct: (818) 678

RE: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions

2000-08-02 Thread Bandele Adepoju
The answer to your question is Yes!. A good reference would be FCC Part 15.107(f) for the United States which accepts measurements to CISPR22. The FCC rules for emissions test setups are generally more restrictive than those of Europe and you cannot loose if you apply a conservative

RE: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions

2000-08-02 Thread CARTER
, 2000 7:55 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions I have had an inquiry that I am not sure of the answer and I was hoping that someone could provide me with an answer. If an EUT is DC powered device (i.e., a video card, internal modem, etc.), deriving its power

Re: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions

2000-08-02 Thread Pryor McGinnis
Yes! - Original Message - From: Brooks, Barbara bbro...@hnt.wylelabs.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:55 AM Subject: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions I have had an inquiry that I am not sure of the answer and I was hoping that someone could provide

Re: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions

2000-08-02 Thread georgea
%hnt.wylelabs@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: EN 55022 Conducted Emissions I have had an inquiry that I am not sure of the answer and I was hoping that someone could provide me with an answer

EN 55022 Conducted Emissions

2000-08-02 Thread Brooks, Barbara
I have had an inquiry that I am not sure of the answer and I was hoping that someone could provide me with an answer. If an EUT is DC powered device (i.e., a video card, internal modem, etc.), deriving its power from a host's power supply (i.e., a video card, internal modem, etc.) would the

Re: Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup

2000-06-16 Thread Gregory Sperun
Folks, The original release of GR-1089 specified a 10 uF feedthrough for conducted emissions. A subsequent revision of the document, GR-1089 Issue 2, December 1997, specified LISN's for conducted emissions in place of the feedthrough caps

RE: Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup

2000-06-15 Thread Mark Gill
, June 15, 2000 1:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC; t...@world.std.com; n...@world.std.com Subject: Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup I'm looking through Bellcore GR-1089 Issue 2 Revision 1 for details on the test setup for conducted emissions testing. I was under

RE: Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup

2000-06-15 Thread efo
, June 15, 2000 1:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC; t...@world.std.com; n...@world.std.com Subject: Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup I'm looking through Bellcore GR-1089 Issue 2 Revision 1 for details on the test setup for conducted emissions testing. I was under the impression that some

RE: Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup

2000-06-15 Thread Dave Wilson
- From: plaw...@west.net [mailto:plaw...@west.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC; t...@world.std.com; n...@world.std.com Subject:Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup I'm

Bellcore GP-1089 emissions testing: LISN test setup

2000-06-15 Thread Patrick Lawler
I'm looking through Bellcore GR-1089 Issue 2 Revision 1 for details on the test setup for conducted emissions testing. I was under the impression that some of the measurements involved use of large RF bypass caps to ground, and the interference currents through the capacitor were measured. While

emissions using an absorbing clamp

2000-05-05 Thread Colgan, Chris
the emissions down the whole 5m of cable is getting kind of tiresome. Incidentally, the largest peaks so far have always been the ones nearest to the EUT. Thanks and regards Chris Colgan EMC Safety TAG McLaren Audio Ltd mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com

RE: Conducted Emissions Testing for CNS13438 Class B

2000-03-02 Thread Mike Kuo
.) [mailto:v-ang...@microsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 2:38 PM To: EMC PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Conducted Emissions Testing for CNS13438 Class B Hi everyone: Does Taiwan's CNS13438 Class B approval require both 115V and 235V conducted emissions tests? Thanks, Angus McGill Regulatory

Conducted Emissions Testing for CNS13438 Class B

2000-03-01 Thread Angus McGill (Cascade Engineering Svcs, Inc.)
Hi everyone: Does Taiwan's CNS13438 Class B approval require both 115V and 235V conducted emissions tests? Thanks, Angus McGill Regulatory Engineer Cascade Engineering Services, Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety

Conducted Emissions Testing for Taiwan CNS13438 Class B

2000-03-01 Thread Angus McGill (Cascade Engineering Svcs, Inc.)
Does this approval require both 120V and 230V conducted emissions? Any good English language links relating to this? Angus McGill Regulatory Engineer Cascade Engineering Services, Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-26 Thread bogdanmm
: conducted emissions test setup Ken, The ground plane should be non-ferrous? That is a new one to me. Are all the OATS I have been to using non-ferrous ground planes? Never really noticed that before. I thought they were all galvanized steel. Somebody please enlighten me. Scott

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-25 Thread Colgan, Chris
mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com -Original Message- From: eric.lif...@ni.com [SMTP:eric.lif...@ni.com] Sent: 24 February 2000 18:01 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: conducted emissions test setup Gert et al, A non-ferrous OATS requirement (or preferred)? That's a new one

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
/-/ === -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@california.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:50 PM To: Gert Gremmen; Muriel Bittencourt de Liz; Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject: Re: conducted emissions test setup Gert, The connection (Wire

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Scott Douglas
, MA USA -Original Message- From: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:22 PM To: mur...@grucad.ufsc.br; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: conducted emissions test setup Importance: Low The ground plane acts as a sink

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Paul McCoy
/-/ === -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@california.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:50 PM To: Gert Gremmen; Muriel Bittencourt de Liz; Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject: Re: conducted emissions test setup Gert, The connection (Wire

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Ken Javor
I was wrong. I was thinking of the military paradigm. You are absolutely right that OATS' use galvanized steel hardware cloth. Sorry for the brain cramp. -- From: Scott Douglas s_doug...@ecrm.com To: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: conducted emissions test

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Robert Macy
: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: RE: conducted emissions test setup Robert, Muriel and group, Therefore it is essential that the mains wire is short and limited to 50 cm ( 2 feet) or even less. The transformer model I can see ( 3 longitudal straight windings , sharing the same magnetic

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Gert Gremmen
: Thursday, February 24, 2000 2:48 PM To: Gert Gremmen Cc: Robert Macy; Muriel Bittencourt de Liz; Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject: Re: conducted emissions test setup Hello all, I will take a stab at Gert's question and offer a correction to the statement he made about the mains lead: The mains

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread eric . lifsey
Lifsey National Instruments Please respond to Scott Douglas s_doug...@ecrm.com To: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) Subject: RE: conducted emissions test setup Ken, The ground plane should be non-ferrous? That is a new one to me. Are all

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Price, Ed
...@ecrm.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 5:34 AM To: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: conducted emissions test setup Ken, The ground plane should be non-ferrous? That is a new one to me. Are all the OATS I have been to using non-ferrous ground planes

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-24 Thread Ken Javor
OK, y'all have had a lot of fun with it. I WAS WRONG! Sorry! -- From: eric.lif...@ni.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: conducted emissions test setup Date: Thu, Feb 24, 2000, 10:00 AM Gert et al, A non-ferrous OATS requirement (or preferred)? That's a new one on me too

conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread Muriel Bittencourt de Liz
Hello Group, Reading CISPR 16 and CISPR 22, I had some doubts about the correct setup for doing conducted emissions testing. I'd like to know if someone can put a light on this subject. My questions are: - The ground plane is really needed? If I don't use one, my results will be wrong

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread George Sparacino
Greetings Muriel, Please see my responses below in [Brackets].. Have Fun, George -Original Message- From: Muriel Bittencourt de Liz [mailto:mur...@grucad.ufsc.br] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 11:33 AM To: Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject: conducted emissions test setup Hello Group

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread Gert Gremmen
...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Muriel Bittencourt de Liz Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 5:33 PM To: Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject: conducted emissions test setup Hello Group, Reading CISPR 16 and CISPR 22, I had some doubts about the correct setup for doing conducted emissions testing. I'd like to know

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread Ken Javor
be fed from different circuits. The green wire should be common to both circuits. -- From: Muriel Bittencourt de Liz mur...@grucad.ufsc.br To: Lista de EMC da IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: conducted emissions test setup Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2000, 8:32 AM Hello Group, Reading CISPR 16

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread Robert Macy
23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: conducted emissions test setup Hello Group, Reading CISPR 16 and CISPR 22, I had some doubts about the correct setup for doing conducted emissions testing. I'd like to know if someone can put a light on this subject. My questions are: - The ground plane is really

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread Ken Javor
de EMC da IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: conducted emissions test setup Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2000, 3:21 PM The ground plane acts as a sink for common mode CE. Without it, you have an uncontrolled test. The ground plane should be non-ferrous. Cu or bronze or even Al will work, but you can

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread Robert Macy
Liz mur...@grucad.ufsc.br; Lista de EMC da IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 1:17 PM Subject: RE: conducted emissions test setup Hello Mureil, When it comes to conducted emission measurements: The test consist of one loop: EUT

RE: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread UMBDENSTOCK
Ken, Commonly available shielded rooms are made from galvanized steel panels. Does your comment mean that these chambers are not very good for the ground reference for conducted emissions tests? Don Umbdenstock -- From: Ken Javor[SMTP:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Reply

Re: conducted emissions test setup

2000-02-23 Thread Ken Javor
. But getting back to the mil situation: Whether or not the ground plane makes any connection to the steel walls of a shield room has no effect on the conducted emissions. The parameters that count are the bond between EUT and ground plane, and the bond between LISN and ground plane. All

RE: conducted emissions testing

2000-02-17 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hello Muriel, Time to elaborate on conducted emissions. Whatever you measure using CISPR22 is Common Mode voltage over 50 Ohms. This means that the spectrum analyzer has ground on an arbitrary ground plane, and that the test pin is connected to one of the two phases of your mains connection

Re: conducted emissions testing

2000-02-17 Thread Doug
Muriel Bittencourt de Liz wrote: Hello Group, I'd like to clarify a question: - If I realize a conducted emission test in my lab with an EUT, I get a result, I compare it with the apropriate standard, and I can say if it's compliant or not, right? - So, if another lab do the

conducted emissions testing

2000-02-16 Thread Muriel Bittencourt de Liz
Hello Group, I'd like to clarify a question: - If I realize a conducted emission test in my lab with an EUT, I get a result, I compare it with the apropriate standard, and I can say if it's compliant or not, right? - So, if another lab do the conducted emission test in the same EUT, and get

Re: Emissions immunity setup: products with foot pedals

2000-01-14 Thread Bruce Touzel
a lab do RF emissions testing on a desktop product that has a foot pedal. The lab technician insists on putting the foot pedal on the table-top along with the system. I assume he's doing that because the typical setup for a desktop PC has the keyboard and mouse on the table along with the PC

Re: Emissions immunity setup: products with foot pedals

2000-01-14 Thread Derek Walton
Lawler wrote: I'm having a lab do RF emissions testing on a desktop product that has a foot pedal. The lab technician insists on putting the foot pedal on the table-top along with the system. I assume he's doing that because the typical setup for a desktop PC has the keyboard and mouse

Re: Emissions immunity setup: products with foot pedals

2000-01-14 Thread Derek Walton
in the report. If they won't do that, find better lab! Derek Walton Patrick Lawler wrote: I'm having a lab do RF emissions testing on a desktop product that has a foot pedal. The lab technician insists on putting the foot pedal on the table-top along with the system. I assume he's doing that because

RE: Emissions immunity setup: products with foot pedals

2000-01-14 Thread Ross Jatou
You are absolutely right. A foot pedal is to be placed on the floor. The lab technician may maximize the emissions by finding the worst case location in a TYPICAL application. In other words, he/she can move the foot pedal under the table while resting on the floor and not on the table top

Emissions immunity setup: products with foot pedals

2000-01-13 Thread Patrick Lawler
I'm having a lab do RF emissions testing on a desktop product that has a foot pedal. The lab technician insists on putting the foot pedal on the table-top along with the system. I assume he's doing that because the typical setup for a desktop PC has the keyboard and mouse on the table along

RE: Emissions using clamp

2000-01-06 Thread Matejic, Mirko
Derek, Absorbing clamp for use in the frequency range 30 - 1000 MHz is described in CISPR 16-1:1998, Section 13. There were many attempts in CISPR SC G by Swiss and Swedish national committees to introduce absorbing clamp as the alternative test method to OATS for information technology

Emissions using clamp

2000-01-05 Thread Derek Walton
Hi all, I've just seen data from an emissions test using a clamp. The unusual aspect was that this covered 30 MHz to 1 GHz. The test lab claimed that it satisfied the requirements of CISPR 11 and 22, is this the case? Any way this can be correlated back to a radiated test? Thanks, Derek

RE: Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-03 Thread Price, Ed
, December 02, 1999 5:39 PM To: Price, Ed; d...@dsmith.org Cc: emc-pstc Subject: Re: Ferrites can increase emissions? In such a case did you place a ferrite device at both ends of the cable? It has worked for me. Ralph - Original Message - From: Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com

Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-02 Thread Douglas C. Smith
Hi All, I have noticed (like I expect many of you) that sometimes adding a ferrite on a cable to suppress common mode current caused emissions actually increases emissions at some frequencies. After thinking about this and trying an experiment to confirm one mechanism, I wrote up an article

Re: Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-02 Thread Ralph Cameron
The purpose of a common mode choke whether it be of ferrite or powdered iron is to isolate the connecting conductors from the rest of the mainboard or chassis. If the toridal core is correctly placed as close to the source of the emissions i.e. the PCB, the conductors which carry the emitted

Re: Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-02 Thread Douglas C. Smith
for the particular case below. The special case in my article goes a level deeper than your discussion to show that ferrites at one end of a cable can either increase or decrease emissions from equipment at the opposite end by either causing an impedance match or mismatch. No ground loops needed

Re: Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-02 Thread Ralph Cameron
Hi Doug: The term ground loop is misleading I agree. I meant to say coupling and by placing the ferrite remotely from the source of the emissions only serves to end load the conductors which will change the resonant length. In the case of placing the toroidal device on the power cord, right

RE: Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-02 Thread Price, Ed
I have had the experience of putting ferrite chokes on a cable bundle which connected two parts of a system. Putting the choke close to Box A, some radiated emissions went down and some went up. It doesn't seem reasonable at first, until you remember that each box may be contributing some

Re: Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-02 Thread Doug Smith
and by placing the ferrite remotely from the source of the emissions only serves to end load the conductors which will change the resonant length. In the case of placing the toroidal device on the power cord, right at the point of entry to the PCB, chassis, cabinet etc. the coupling loop as opposed

Re: Ferrites can increase emissions?

1999-12-02 Thread Ralph Cameron
increase emissions? Hi Ralph, I don't advocate placing the ferrite on the far end of cords. My example is meant to be instructive of the kind of mechanisms at work here and take some of the magic out of using ferrites. I would be interested in hearing from others in this group of unusual

Re: Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-18 Thread Ken Javor
, David david.brumba...@pss.boeing.com To: 'Ken Javor' ken.ja...@emccompliance.com Cc: 'emc-pstc' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Conducted Emissions for PS output Date: Wed, Nov 17, 1999, 5:25 PM Maybe I've been working on space systems too long...you can draw your own conclusions about that. At any

RE: Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-18 Thread Jim Eichner
Derek: In the US (or Canada) I am not aware of any FCC or I.C. documents that limit conducted emissions from the output of a power supply or battery charger. In Europe, for CE Mark purposes, you definitely need to have a look at the applicable EN's, because some of them do have requirements

Re: Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-17 Thread Ken Javor
understand what you are saying. -- From: Brumbaugh, David david.brumba...@pss.boeing.com To: EMC Discussion Group emc-p...@ieee.org, 'Derek Walton' l...@rols1.net Subject: RE: Conducted Emissions for PS output Date: Wed, Nov 17, 1999, 7:52 AM If the power supply is for a single unit utilizing

RE: Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-17 Thread Brumbaugh, David
Walton' Subject: Re: Conducted Emissions for PS output Re this: If the power supply is for a single unit utilizing a common power bus for the power supply input, then the output ripple of the supply might need to be controlled more stringently, perhaps on the order of tens of millivolts

Re: Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-17 Thread Ralph Cameron
it hundreds of times. It also prevents ingress of RF. Ralph Cameron Independent EMC Consultant - Original Message - From: Derek Walton l...@rols1.net To: EMC Discussion Group emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 6:33 PM Subject: Conducted Emissions for PS output HI, would

RE: Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-17 Thread Brumbaugh, David
Emissions for PS output HI, would anyone like to suggest a specification for controlling conducted emissions from the output of a power supply or battery charger. The market place is either the USA or Europe. Thanks, Derek. -- Derek Walton Owner L. F. Research EMC Design and Test

Re: Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-17 Thread Ken Javor
can look at present FCC/CISPR limits for that, with one important caveat. You need only apply such limits to common mode emissions. Differential mode emissions won't radiate significantly as long as feeder and return are in close proximity. DM limits could be 20 - 30 dB relaxed or more, depending

Conducted Emissions for PS output

1999-11-17 Thread Derek Walton
HI, would anyone like to suggest a specification for controlling conducted emissions from the output of a power supply or battery charger. The market place is either the USA or Europe. Thanks, Derek. -- Derek Walton Owner L. F. Research EMC Design and Test Facility 12790 Route 76, Poplar

FCC Part 15 Subpart B and Subpart C Emissions

1999-11-11 Thread Sandy Mazzola
is used as a commercial/industrial product the digital portion only had to meet Class A emissions performance for that product.Can the new product be split into two parts and say that the radio portion must meet Class B but the digital portion only has to meet Class A. Or is it once

Conducted emissions for an intentional radiator

1999-11-09 Thread Dale Albright
Pierre, I understand from your request that you are following FCC Part 15 Subpart C for an intentional radiator that operates on an ISM frequency. I think the section you are recalling regarding frequencies generated by the product, except the one needed for functional purpose is part

RE: broadband narrowband emissions

1999-10-08 Thread Ing. Gert Gremmen
- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Muriel Bittencourt de Liz Sent: donderdag 7 oktober 1999 14:43 To: Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject:broadband narrowband emissions Group, I'd like to have a clear definition of what

FW: broadband narrowband emissions

1999-10-08 Thread Arun Kaore
to determine a NB emission is to drop down or increase the measuring BW 1 or 2 steps in a routine EMI receiver sweep around the emission in a broad span; if the emission remains constant, it is NB emission. Broad band emissions would drop approx 10 dB per step change in the bandwidth. Sweep

RE: broadband narrowband emissions

1999-10-07 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Muriel Bittencourt de Liz [SMTP:mur...@grucad.ufsc.br] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 5:43 AM To: Lista de EMC da IEEE Subject: broadband narrowband emissions Group, I'd like to have a clear definition of what are narrowband and broadband

Re: broadband narrowband emissions

1999-10-07 Thread reheller
Bittencourt de Liz mur...@grucad.ufsc.br To: Lista de EMC da IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: broadband narrowband emissions Group, I'd like to have a clear definition of what are narrowband and broadband emissions. This question may seem very

broadband narrowband emissions

1999-10-07 Thread Muriel Bittencourt de Liz
Group, I'd like to have a clear definition of what are narrowband and broadband emissions. This question may seem very plain for many members of EMC-PSTC, but I always heard/saw this definition for emission and I still couldn't make them clear to me.. Thanks in advance for your attention

Doubt on radiated emissions measurements

1999-08-16 Thread Georg M. Dancau
Muriel, we expereinced similar problems and idetified following phenomenon: You have a loop consisting of: PE (outlet) - Power cord receiver - receiver casing - coax cable for measurement - -cell casing - PE - PE (outlet). You'll have some significant HF currents flowing through this loop if

Doubt on radiated emissions measurements

1999-08-16 Thread Muriel Bittencourt de Liz
Dear Group, I'm using a Strip Line Cell (S-Line) from RohdeSchwarz for doing radiated emissions testing. Using the CISPR 22 limits of frequency (30MHz - 1GHz), appeared a spurious signal at the frequency of 205,25MHz, and the cell was empty (no EUT inside it)!! Well, I thought about two

Re: CISPR11 conducted emissions: add the LISN attenuation?

1999-05-13 Thread ed . price
. Regards, Ed From: Patrick Lawler plaw...@west.net Subject: CISPR11 conducted emissions: add the LISN attenuation? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:32:18 GMT To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Newsgroups: sci.engr.electrical.compliance When making CISPR11 conducted

RE: CISPR11 conducted emissions: add the LISN attenuation?

1999-05-13 Thread Matejic, Mirko
Patrick, CISPR 11, other CISPR Publications and FCC conducted emissions limits apply to the EUT port. LISN insertion loss should be added. In most cases, especially at higher frequencies correction for LISN's insertion loss is negligible to the overall test accuracy and therefore could

CISPR11 conducted emissions: add the LISN attenuation?

1999-05-13 Thread Patrick Lawler
When making CISPR11 conducted emissions measurements, should the measured value be adjusted to accommodate LISN attenuation? Phrased another way, do the CISPR limits apply to the EUT port or the RF port? Normally, I'd add the attenuation factor to compensate, but the specification calls out

Conducted emissions from a Modulator

1999-05-05 Thread Aschenberg, Mat
Anyone know of a good reference to address conducted emissions problems from a modulator? Mat Mathew Aschenberg Agency Engineer EchoStar Technologies Corporation Englewood, Colorado (303) 706-5064 (303) 799-6406 Fax - This message is coming from the emc-pstc

Re: Radiated emissions pre-compliance testing

1999-03-26 Thread ajmani
Jim, I have been doing some pre-compliance testing using separate biconical and log-periodic antennae. Most of the time, I am interested in the clock harmonics and hence, I spot check these frequencies only. I place the antenna at about 1.5 meters from the EUT at a fixed height of 1 meter.

Radiated emissions pre-compliance testing

1999-03-25 Thread Jim Eichner
Please pardon me if the large number of questions at the end of this e-mail is overdoing it! I'll take as much help with this as I can get! I'm sure that many of you either went through the stage we're at, or are still there. We have been trouble-shooting radiated emissions problems using

Re: Pre-Compliance testing for radiated emissions using a current pro be

1999-02-12 Thread Graham Rae Dulmage
a method for using current clamps instead of open area test sites. There was another thread for an on-site radiated emissions test when in noisy environments that mentioned using clamp-on probes. Additionally I recall and article in one of the trade magazines (Compliance Engineering, ITEM

Pre-Compliance testing for radiated emissions using a current pro be

1999-02-11 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Hello Group, Some time ago (1996) in an email thread on absorbing clamps, Michael A. Royer stated that CISPR 14 defines a method for using current clamps instead of open area test sites. There was another thread for an on-site radiated emissions test when in noisy environments that mentioned

Radiated E/H Field Emissions Extrapolation

1998-11-20 Thread Scott Lemon
Group, I am looking for a formula/rule of thumb, etc. for extrapolating the results of radiated emissions testing on a partially filled cabinet-based product (e.g. two out of four identical shelves populated) to determine (roughly) what the entire populated cabinet may produce. I have heard

Re: suspect conducted emissions

1998-11-19 Thread Thomas N. Cokenias
at different ground potentials and this test should let you know. If your screen room supply is not filtered and your AC line is noisy you should expect low frequency emissions. Install a commercial sample line filter between inside screen room mains and LISN AC feed, making sure you place filter

Re: suspect conducted emissions

1998-11-19 Thread Georg M. Dancau
peterh...@aol.com wrote: Hello group, I recently carried out a conducted emission in our unlined screen room with no EUT connected. I.e just the LISN inside and measuring receiver outside the room. I was expecting the plot to be a horizontal line and very low perhaps in the region of 10

Re: suspect conducted emissions

1998-11-18 Thread Thomas N. Cokenias
at different ground potentials and this test should let you know. If your screen room supply is not filtered and your AC line is noisy you should expect low frequency emissions. Install a commercial sample line filter between inside screen room mains and LISN AC feed, making sure you place filter

Re: suspect conducted emissions

1998-11-18 Thread ed . price
From: peterh...@aol.com Subject: suspect conducted emissions Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:53:20 EST To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Hello group, I recently carried out a conducted emission in our unlined screen room with no EUT connected. I.e just the LISN

Re: suspect conducted emissions

1998-11-18 Thread Lfresearch
When doing the cable test, make sure you have a 50 Ohm load on the length inside to room... Derek. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes).

RE: suspect conducted emissions

1998-11-18 Thread Flinders, Randall
Flinders EMC Engineer Emulex Network Systems (714) 513-8012 randall.flind...@emulex.com -- From: peterh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 7:53 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: suspect conducted emissions Hello group, I recently carried out a conducted emission in our

Emissions in small chamber

1998-11-14 Thread Greg Beveridge
of chamber has been performed. Emissions measurements (EN55022Class B) are done in the following manner: * Product is configured worst case and several measurements are made at 1 meter. *A distance factor is added in to determine the limit at 10 meters and anything within 6dB

Re: Emissions testing with support equipment

1998-11-11 Thread Peter Lugg
Can I ask, please? How do you verify that these support PC's actually fail to meet class B emissions? Do you test them when you first remove them from their packaging, before adding your interface and peripheral? In my experience PC manufacturers qualify their PC's by creating the famous

Re: Emissions testing with support equipment

1998-11-11 Thread Scott Douglas
Joe, Lots of us have the same problem. We always make it a point to isolate the PC from the test area. Since it is support equipment, we decided I cannot afford to fix other manufacturer's equipment along with ours, we don't have either the time nor the resources. Even though we might bring the

Re: Emissions testing with support equipment

1998-11-11 Thread CollinJJ
-- Forwarded -- From: CollinJJ at USABDMFG List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 11/10/98 3:05PM To: MartinJP marti...@pebio.com at INTERNET Subject: Re: Emissions testing with support equipment

Emissions testing with support equipment

1998-11-10 Thread MartinJP
EMC Professionals, Our equipment requires the use of a personal computer to operate. We sell these PC's with our system. We test radiated emissions as a system including the PC. We have recently tested PC's from two very well known PC manufacturers

RE: Emissions testing with support equipment

1998-11-10 Thread Gary McInturff
to store it in. Good luck. Gary -Original Message- From: MartinJP [SMTP:marti...@pebio.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 10:25 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Emissions testing with support equipment EMC

RE: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing

1998-10-29 Thread Al Patrick
Manager al.patr...@sciatl.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing Author: Flinders; Randall [SMTP:randall.flind...@emulex.com] at IMS List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:10-28-98 5:31

RE: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing

1998-10-29 Thread ed . price
From: Flinders, Randall randall.flind...@emulex.com Subject: RE: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:31:17 -0800 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, 'Gordon Andrews' gordon.andr...@eng.sun.com Does anyone

Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing

1998-10-28 Thread Gordon Andrews
in that range. They had a quiet open site like yours which was accurate. From: Steve Kuiper aegisl...@email.msn.com To: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:31:59 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole

RE: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing

1998-10-28 Thread Flinders, Randall
11:09 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing 10 meter chambers can and will become resonate somewhere below 80MHz if they are not large enough. In order to make them large enough to avoid this problem you must build a building taller than most

Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing

1998-10-27 Thread Steve Kuiper
Joe, Our laboratory was used to compare readings in the low-end, specifically 30 MHz. to 90 MHz. on an OEM product In particular the OEM customer who maintains 10m indoor anechoic facilities claimed that our customer was failing the CISPR22B limits by 5-6dB in the above freq. range. After

Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing

1998-10-27 Thread ed . price
From: Steve Kuiper aegisl...@email.msn.com Subject: Indoor vs. Outdoor emissions testing Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:31:59 -0800 To: EMC-PSTC emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Joe, Our laboratory was used to compare readings in the low-end, specifically 30 MHz

Indoor vs Outdoor Emissions Testing

1998-10-26 Thread MartinJP
I am looking for opinions from group members on the advantages and disadvantages between a 10m anechoic chamber and a 10m OATS. All input is appreciated. Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Biosystems marti...@pebio.com

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