Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-01-31 Thread Brian O'Connell
McNamara [mailto:mcnam...@umn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 3:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? A client is asking if it is practical to do their own 60950 safety reports for CE. The device is battery powered, low power RF (they would have

[PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-01-31 Thread Curtis McNamara
A client is asking if it is practical to do their own 60950 safety reports for CE. The device is battery powered, low power RF (they would have complete EMC testing done at a lab). Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Thanks for all the great past advice! Curt

Re: [PSES] Safety tests of transformers

2017-01-19 Thread John Woodgate
: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:31 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Safety tests of transformers LVD testing of transformers are according to the EN 61558 series. Which subpart will apply for an oil filled isolation transformer? EN

[PSES] Safety tests of transformers

2017-01-19 Thread Amund Westin
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Re: [PSES] ROHS vs. Safety critical products (SIL, etc)

2017-01-16 Thread Kunde, Brian
Amund, I don't think you can apply Exemptions to the RoHS directive across the definition of "Safety Critical Products" unless your product clearly falls within the exempt equipment called out in Article 2 paragraph 4. Parts of your product or components can fall under nume

[PSES] ROHS vs. Safety critical products (SIL, etc)

2017-01-16 Thread Amund Westin
ROHS mention some exemption of products in the latest directive (Article 2 in 2011/64/EU). What about so called "Safety critical products", such as IEC61508 certified products ... are they outside the ROHS scope? I do not think so, but I have heard rumors that it might be outside, so

Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-06 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
[mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204? Curt, NFPA 79 is harmonized with EN 60204. The US differences are clearly

Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-06 Thread Pete Perkins
this more offline if you wish. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Curtis McNamara [mailto:mcn

Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-04 Thread John Allen
Hi Curt, I believe UL1647 and CSA C22.2 No. 68 would be the Standards for USA and Canada. Best Regards, John John Allen | President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance Department www.productsafetyinc.com<http://www.productsafetyinc.com> 630-238-0188 On Dec 3, 20

[PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-03 Thread Curtis McNamara
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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Ted Eckert
...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code) It was always my impression way back then that the case

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Gary McInturff
[mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code) Hi Leo: LA requires NRTL certification. (I saw no

Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Richard Nute
] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:22 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code) Hi All, I am working with a client that will be installing a pretty big medical device

Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread John Allen
oduct Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance Department www.productsafetyinc.com<http://www.productsafetyinc.com> 630-238-0188 On Nov 23, 2016, at 4:35 AM, Kevin Robinson mailto:kevinrobinso...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Leo, The City of LA maintains an online list of laborat

Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Kevin Robinson
LA code or > similar would be really great to get too. > > Thx much, > > Leonard (Leo) Eisner, P.E. > Principal Consultant, Eisner Safety Consultants > Phone: (503) 244-6151 > Mobile: (503) 709-8328 > Email: l...@eisnersafety.com > Website: www.EisnerSafety.com <htt

[PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Leo Eisner
code or similar would be really great to get too. Thx much, Leonard (Leo) Eisner, P.E. Principal Consultant, Eisner Safety Consultants Phone: (503) 244-6151 Mobile: (503) 709-8328 Email: l...@eisnersafety.com Website: www.EisnerSafety.com *** Internet E-mail Confidentiality

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread John Woodgate
ylvae in aeternum manent. -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Remember the RCA Victor record album picture of th

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Javor
Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! > > Interchannel phase differences *measurably* alter the stereo image. Phase > difference between voltage and current has no effect unless a non-minimum > phase device is involved. > > 'Live versus recorded' demo

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I'm assuming they recorded it on Memorex:) -Original Message- From: Peter Tarver [mailto:ptar...@enphaseenergy.com] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:58 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Some of the articles I'

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread Richard Nute
floor about 2/3 back from the stage. I couldn't tell the difference. Midway through the opening overture, the orchestra put down their instruments and walked offstage, but the music kept playing. Rich - This message is from t

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread John Woodgate
: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Some of the articles I'd read in some magazine or other (copies available if you know Mr. Peabody and his boy Sherman), stated some equipment designers were paying extraordinarily close attention to mainta

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread Peter Tarver
gt; > > > From: Peter Tarver > > Reply-To: Peter Tarver > > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:37:04 + > > To: > > Conversation: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other > than safety! > > Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other > than safety

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-25 Thread Ken Javor
that is all software and digital circuitry: no fancy audiophile equipment necessary. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Peter Tarver > Reply-To: Peter Tarver > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:37:04 + > To: > Conversation: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-25 Thread Peter Tarver
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Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
directives:     - Electro Magnetic Compatibility 2004/108/EC     - Electrical Safety 2006/95/EC     - Medical Devices 93/42/EC     - Radio & Telecommunication Terminal Equipment 99/5/EC + Improvement of Product Quality and Reliability testing + Education Web:  www.cetest.nl (English) P

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-23 Thread Ken Javor
sation: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! I recommend reading the ad copy from Audioquest. Some of the more interesting claims are for their HDMI cables, but their web site is full of interesting reading.

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-23 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Sounds like they are made with diamonds. From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 8:44 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! I recommend reading the ad copy from Audioquest

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-23 Thread B Rowland
my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my > employer. > > > From: Bfr [mailto:bfr...@direct.ca] > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 10:08 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! > > As they say

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-23 Thread Ted Eckert
Eckert The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Bfr [mailto:bfr...@direct.ca] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 10:08 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! As they say - "OMG!

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Bfr
rgisticresearch.com/sr-quantum-fuses-review/ > > > >Rich > > > > > > > > > > >- >---- >This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society >emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your >e-mail to > >All emc-pstc postings are

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Ken Javor
(256) 650-5261 From: Ken Javor Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:54:50 -0400 To: Conversation: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! In the USA anyway, there is no need for a lawyer to review marketing claims that a

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Ken Javor
ey are. And don¹t bother telling the emperor he is naked. It¹s not appreciated. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Dan Roman Reply-To: Dan Roman Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:13:29 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! I think their guarantee sa

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Dan Roman
pany that has a good lawyer to review the weasel words! --Dan romandan.ro...@ieee.org Original message From: Richard Nute Date: 8/22/16 7:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!  If you

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
;John Woodgate' ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! If you put a carefully-chosen fuse in series with a loudspeaker, you can measure intermodulation distortion in the voice-coil current due to the element changing its resistance

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Ed Price
From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 4:12 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! If you put a carefully-chosen fuse in series with a loudspeaker, you can measure intermodulation

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Richard Nute
remarkable performance of our original SR20 Quantum Fuses.” Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread john Allen
even the same amp and a different speaker)? John E Allen W.London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 August 2016 23:15 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! That doesn't work, either.

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread john Allen
I am sure is a well-reasoned approach to the subject)! John E Allen W.London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 August 2016 23:15 To: 'john Allen'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 10:25 PM To: 'John Woodgate' ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Link doesn't work for me. I'm devastated. (;-) Try: http://www.synergisticresearch.co

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 10:52 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! OK, anyone have any ideas on what “effects” changing a fuse to one of those referred to “might” have (I don’t, except that possibly somet

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread john Allen
)? John E Allen W.London, UK From: john Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 22 August 2016 22:07 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Anything is “possible” – just depends on your perspective and your “need

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Richard Nute
hether the fuses and power cords are certified.) Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc po

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread john Allen
affect performance other than safety! The “proper” fuse can make a difference in audio quality (sarcasm). See the audio review of replacing an ordinary fuse with a Black Quantum fuse (for only USD 119): http://www.synergisticresearch.com/sr-quantum-fuses-review/ Rich

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! The “proper” fuse can make a difference in audio quality (sarcasm). See the audio review of replacing an ordinary fuse with a Black Quantum fuse (for only

[PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-22 Thread Richard Nute
- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not

Re: [PSES] SAFETY FEATURES controlled by ....SOFTWARE

2016-08-07 Thread Bfr
Just a tiny bit off-topic, but an interesting analysis of functional safety in motor-control systems, from Analog Devices' Tom Meany, a member of IEC SC22/MT12, working on the second draft of IEC 61800-5-2 http://bit.ly/2aQOwdT Cheers, Barry Rowland Muenchen On 4 August 2016 23:18:42

Re: [PSES] SAFETY FEATURES controlled by ....SOFTWARE

2016-08-04 Thread Brian Gregory
to be in compliance with the proper component (safety) standard(s). Even Intertek and UL stay far away from the word "safe." "Safety" testing is done by product standard. UL 508 and the like have sections to deal with control systems. The best I've seen was actually in

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-08-02 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I am working with the big W now and they seem to take their compliance seriously. Dave -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 5:55 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US At least Walmart has

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-08-02 Thread Richard Nute
At least Walmart has a policy regarding the safety of the products it sells: http://corporate.walmart.com/suppliers/minimum-requirements http://cdn.corporate.walmart.com/d1/7e/ee6f5c8942f69ad4183bc0683771/standards-for-suppliers-manual.pdf The manual covers a lot of stuff, and is simply stated

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-08-02 Thread john Allen
I'm sure others might do also! John E Allen W.London, UK -Original Message- From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: 02 August 2016 21:17 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US I wonder how Walmart, K-Mart,

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-08-02 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Afternoon Interesting article on ECMWEB - "OSHA Cites Macy's, The Finish Line for Electrical Shock Hazards" (http://ecmweb.com/shock-electrocution/osha-cites-macys-finish-line-electrical-shock-hazards?NL=ECM-04&Issue=ECM-04_20160801_EC

[PSES] Product Safety & Compliance Engineer Opening in Minneapolis

2016-08-02 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
At Graco Inc. (manufacturer of industrial pumps and sprayers, not the other, baby products Graco) we're looking for a 4th engineer in our product safety and compliance group. Perky HR blurb and job description link are below; contact me directly for pertinent details beyond the on

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-08-01 Thread John Allen
42&cl=article_7&utm_rid=CPG0400025478&utm_campaign=9488&utm_medium=email&elq2=5b6bd213b60e495db5acd4a96d11a708) Makes me wonder what their management control of the stuff they buy in to sell to customers is like if this is how they "manage" s

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-28 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Dave: “Common denominator” thinking would have the people of Ohio paying for a product that would have California earthquake protection capability. Also, I doubt that California customers would be happy with products that would

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Ed Price
employment for compliance engineers (both writing and interpreting it). Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > I cannot see a reason not to have a federal installation code for all > 50 states. The hodgepodge of local rules and regulations seems, on > the surface, unnecessarily > complicated.

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Richard Nute
is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communi

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Product Compliance Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:23 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US What a web of “interconnecting” (and not!) US regulations

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Richard Nute
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Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Brian O'Connell
multi-mode chargers and 'adaptive' EPS are not directly covered, but test conditions may be inferred from 10CFR430. Brian From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:44 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Ted Eckert
and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:41 AM To: Ted Eckert ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hi Ted, Regarding local requirements in a state, county or city, how

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Scott Aldous
m: *Ted Eckert > *Date: *Wednesday, 27 July 2016 at 1:22 AM > *To: *Raymond Li , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" < > EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > *Subject: *RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US > > > > Hello Scott, > > > > The CPSC list you provided

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Scott Xe
2016 at 3:47 AM To: Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US And, by the way, don't forget the Department of Energy regulates External Power Supplies. The whole Level VI thing. On Jul 26, 2016 10:38 AM, "Ted Eckert" <07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Scott Xe
one state to the other? Regards, Scott From: Ted Eckert Date: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 at 1:22 AM To: Raymond Li , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hello Scott, The CPSC list you provided a link to covers mandator

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-26 Thread Scott Douglas
a link to covers mandatory national > requirements for products covered by the CPSC. The key words are “national” > and “mandatory”. There is no mandatory national safety requirement for > televisions, refrigerators or many other consumer electrical products. OSHA > has requirements for

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-26 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Scott, The CPSC list you provided a link to covers mandatory national requirements for products covered by the CPSC. The key words are “national” and “mandatory”. There is no mandatory national safety requirement for televisions, refrigerators or many other consumer electrical products

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-26 Thread Scott Xe
requirements, ie. Consumer product safety act under below link http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Regulations-Laws--Standards/Regulations-Mandatory-Standards-Bans/ I only found very few products related to above category such as Hair Dryers.  No TVs, audios, MWOs, refrigerators, PCs, etc. in the list

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-26 Thread Brian Gregory
NESC and NETA {2013} are both ANSI standards and are both pretty much aimed at the utility-distribution crowd: aka, 4 kV and above. Colorado Brian Gregory 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: John Allen To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-26 Thread John Allen
W.London, UK From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 July 2016 03:59 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US And not to confuse the issue even more, but then there is the N.E.S.C. - National Electrical Safety Code (or nowadays ANSI

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Doug Powell
From: Scott DouglasSent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:59 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply To: Scott DouglasSubject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US And not to confuse the issue even more, but then th

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Scott Douglas
And not to confuse the issue even more, but then there is the N.E.S.C. - National Electrical Safety Code (or nowadays ANSI Standard C2) published by IEEE. Adopted in most states in some fashion, except for California which does its own thing. I think this one is primarily aimed at utilities

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Brian O'Connell
various NEC versions enacted locally (most, but not all, have adopted 2014) vs the referenced product safety standard that would be used to verify compliance by the AHJ. And the OSHA cannot affect any force for an organizing change as their statue scopes only workp

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
NEC is specifically NFPA 70, otherwise known as the National Electrical Code. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Brian O'ConnellTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: July 25, 2016 at 7:26 PMSubject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US By 'NEC&quo

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Brian O'Connell
more NFPA elements in the scope statements. So the references are intended to be circular. Brian From: Richard Nute Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:15:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US "Each NRTL has

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
And a predecessor company to Intertek (Electrical Testing Laboratories) was founded by Thomas Edison in 1896. -Dave From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 6:52 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Pete Perkins
br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Scott [mailto:0182a58d8335-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, July

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Ted Eckert
ducts with a fairly broad scope of what they can do. NRTL only covers safety standards for a few laboratories and is much narrower in scope than A2LA. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, OSHA or A2LA. Your mile

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Richard Nute
certifies products to. Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Scott
time? > > One common example of committees protecting their areas of interest is food > safety. Let’s say you want to buy lunch at Taco Bell. (I wouldn’t recommend > it, but it works for this example.) You order a beef burrito and it is > covered under the food safety regulati

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Ted Eckert
banned 40 years ago because of domestic spying abuses. Will it work better this time? One common example of committees protecting their areas of interest is food safety. Let’s say you want to buy lunch at Taco Bell. (I wouldn’t recommend it, but it works for this example.) You order a beef

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Pete Perkins
Brexit and other forces presently at work. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Woodgate

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread John Allen
out - http://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/symposium/index.html. Be Safe! John From: Pete Perkins <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread John Woodgate
>From the WEB: NRTL Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories, or NRTLs, are >third party organizations recognized by the Occupational Safety and Health >Administration (OSHA) under Federal code 29 CFR 1910.7 to provide product >safety testing and certification services for prod

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Pete Perkins
proof of compliance with the NEC. The US safety requirements for products are from ANSI standards. For the products that I most commonly work with UL is important in developing the standards and closely works with the US committees as well as the corresponding IEC committee

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Scott Xe
certify a sample or production?  Understand UL listed certifies both sample and production. Sorry for my silly questions as you know I am just a new comer in this area. From: Pete Perkins Date: Monday, 25 July 2016 at 11:55 PM To: Raymond Li , Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Scott Xe
Hi John, What is exact meaning of NRTL approved?  Is it a sample for type examination against applicable safety standard without production audits? What are the differences between A2LA and NRTL? From: "Tyra, John" Reply-To: "Tyra, John" Date: Monday, 25 July

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Pete Perkins
reports at the same time for a savings in effort and cost. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org F

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Tyra, John
Some states have legal requirements for electrical products to be NRTL approved From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:26 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Hi Scott: For consumer and household products, compliance

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-24 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
OSHA has an exception for custom machinery that is self-certified by the manufacturer. -Dave From: Kevin Robinson [mailto:kevinrobinso...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 9:16 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Scott, >>> What about

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-24 Thread Richard Nute
What is the best practice for the suppliers/importers to demonstrate the compliance with relevant requirements? NRTL certified. Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-24 Thread Richard Nute
recall order. What about OSHA? Electrical products that are used by employees are required to be NRTL certified. Best regards, Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-24 Thread Kevin Robinson
bout OSHA? Is it applicable too > or to certain product categories only? > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Richard Nute > *Reply-To: * > *Date: *Sunday, 24 July 2016 at 4:02 AM > *To: *Raymond Li , > *Subject: *RE: [PSES] Safety requ

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Scott Xe
Thanks for all your responses! What is the best practice for the suppliers/importers to demonstrate the compliance with relevant requirements? Scott From: Ron Wellman Reply-To: Ron Wellman Date: Sunday, 24 July 2016 at 12:14 AM To: Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Scott Xe
: Raymond Li , Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Within EU, most of electrical products are covered by LVD and GPSD. In US, which body, law and standards are responsible for the similar regulatory? In the USA, we have a number of entities that oversee electrical safety

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Richard Nute
Within EU, most of electrical products are covered by LVD and GPSD. In US, which body, law and standards are responsible for the similar regulatory? In the USA, we have a number of entities that oversee electrical safety: AHJ, enforcing the local (state, county, or city) electrical

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Ultimately, everything goes up to the Code of Federal Regulations, CFR. These are the law of the land. You can find the regulations that both OSHA and CPSC follow there. In turn, each state has their own ‎set of laws, for

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Ron Wellman
] Safety requirements in US Actually, I think FDA, FCC, FTA, USDA, CDC, Homeland Security, etc. all report up to the CFR. Doug From: Nyffenegger, Dave Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 8:32 AM To: Doug Powell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subje

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Doug Powell
From: Nyffenegger, DaveSent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 8:32 AMTo: Doug Powell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Anything with a laser

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Doug Powell
: Kevin RobinsonSent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 2:47 AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply To: Kevin RobinsonSubject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Scott, In the US, the regulations rounds on the type of

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-23 Thread Kevin Robinson
then FDA regs apply Most products fall under multiple regulators as for example, a hospital is both a medical space as well as a workplace.  Thankfully, most us regulations reference voluntary consensus standards so one round of testing will often satisfy all safety regulators.  Kevin Robinson

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