Re: [Emc-users] How to delay spindle-at-speed

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 07:26, alex chiosso wrote: > And when an where the logic elaboration should be ? There isn't any HAL logic elaboration as you seem to be describing it. All the HAL logic is handled by individual components. Those components read their inputs and update their outputs one by one

Re: [Emc-users] If there's one thing I hate, all the noise, noise, noise, noise

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 02:02, Tom Easterday wrote: > I don’t have extra wire to do them individually and my wire is a > multi-conductor (3 + ground). So I am going to put 4 ferrites together over > the whole cable (including ground) You can just take the same 4-core wire 3x through the same ferrite

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 03:03, Gene Heskett wrote: > I had a session day before yesterday of the back gear countershaft > squawling pretty bad, so I called Chris at LMS and bought the whole > headstock for a $132 bill with USPS shipping, and which arrived today. https://littlemachineshop.com/products/p

Re: [Emc-users] If there's one thing I hate, all the noise, noise, noise, noise

2015-05-15 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 15 May 2015, at 10:03, andy pugh wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 02:02, Tom Easterday wrote: >> I don’t have extra wire to do them individually and my wire is a >> multi-conductor (3 + ground). So I am going to put 4 ferrites together over >> the whole cable (including ground) > > You can just

Re: [Emc-users] How to delay spindle-at-speed

2015-05-15 Thread alex chiosso
Hi Andy , thank you for the reply. It's not the matter of change the discussion object . But when somebody as expert as you are is writing an important concept I would like to understand it properly. Sorry ... On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:57 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 07:26, alex ch

Re: [Emc-users] How to delay spindle-at-speed

2015-05-15 Thread Scott Salrin
You just did Gene... Now my head hurts, and all I know so far is it is a species of penguin :) , and a linuxcnc websocket. The penguins are adorable... On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 14 May 2015 14:11:22 Scott Salrin wrote: > > Andy, it certainly flows like pr

Re: [Emc-users] Error using remapped code

2015-05-15 Thread Rick Lair
I figured out that the messages at the top were what was causing the fault, got rid of those and kabamm!!! It works, spindle off, pin out, Z goes full positive, then the tool change. On 5/14/2015 3:04 PM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote: > I keep getting this error when I try my remapped code, > >

[Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread kqt4at5v
As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be controlled by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer but with great loss of torque Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm -- One dashbo

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 05:28:35 andy pugh wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 03:03, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I had a session day before yesterday of the back gear countershaft > > squawling pretty bad, so I called Chris at LMS and bought the whole > > headstock for a $132 bill with USPS shipping, and whic

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 14:44, wrote: > Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm Yes, that is what the light-dimmers do. Brushed-AC (universal) motors will also work on DC, but typically they require much less voltage in DC operation. (PWM-modulation of AC current isn't all that simple) -- atp

Re: [Emc-users] If there's one thing I hate, all the noise, noise, noise, noise

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 05:43:14 Marcus Bowman wrote: > On 15 May 2015, at 10:03, andy pugh wrote: > > On 15 May 2015 at 02:02, Tom Easterday wrote: > >> I don’t have extra wire to do them individually and my wire is a > >> multi-conductor (3 + ground). So I am going to put 4 ferrites > >> together

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 14:54, Gene Heskett wrote: > When the belt starts slipping cogs, the drivers PID cranks up the power, > and the pulley, being plastic, the teeth melt from the friction and > smear the grooves shut The very concept of a plastic pulley had not occurred to me. Yick! -- atp If

Re: [Emc-users] How to delay spindle-at-speed

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 08:40:07 Scott Salrin wrote: > You just did Gene... Now my head hurts, Oh dear, I was afraid of that. :) > and all I know so far is it is > a species of penguin :) , and a linuxcnc websocket. The penguins are > adorable... The web browser doesn't normally have enough magni

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 09:44:57 kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: > As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be > controlled by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer > but with great loss of torque > Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm > The AC motor doesn't lend

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 10:03:49 andy pugh wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 14:54, Gene Heskett wrote: > > When the belt starts slipping cogs, the drivers PID cranks up the > > power, and the pulley, being plastic, the teeth melt from the > > friction and smear the grooves shut > > The very concept of a

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread kqt4at5v
On Fri, 15 May 2015, andy pugh wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 14:44, wrote: >> Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm > > Yes, that is what the light-dimmers do. > > Brushed-AC (universal) motors will also work on DC, but typically they > require much less voltage in DC operation. > > (PWM-mod

Re: [Emc-users] How to delay spindle-at-speed

2015-05-15 Thread Scott Salrin
My printer will do 13" x 19" and the machine is a simple gantry router with a 4th axis rotary, ought to be big enough, even for these tired old eyes. Sounds a perfect solution, at least to better understand what's there now, before I go re-routing spindle control... LOL On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:0

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 15:14, wrote: > > So in your opinion is something like > http://www.amazon.com/E-Age-50-220V-2000W-Motor-Controller/dp/B00GMBYFRK > worth even giving a try It rather depends on what you want to do. Those devices are motor power controllers and only indirectly control the speed.

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
A brushed AC motor in a drill/router/saw is almost assuredly a 'universal' motor. Its a DC parallel field wound motor. Thus both the rotor and stator are connected to the same terminals. When the AC polarity reverses BOTH magnetic fields reverse and the motor still turns the same direction (both

Re: [Emc-users] How to delay spindle-at-speed

2015-05-15 Thread Mark Johnsen
There are 2 HAL examples (a small and not as small) in the integrator's manual that cover the basics of HAL. I think you even write a very small component because I had taken a very simple example and modified it slightly. The examples will help you connect the pins, setup parameters, and load t

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 08:44 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: > As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be controlled > by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer but with great > loss of torque > Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm > > Yes, but you still lose torque

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 09:34 AM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > A brushed AC motor in a drill/router/saw is almost assuredly a 'universal' > motor. Its a DC parallel field wound motor. I really think you mean SERIES, here. Jon -- One

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
Hmm. Don't think so. Series motors run crazy RPM when load is removed due to field weakening and will always vary RPM based on load. A typ handheld corded drill has a pretty set top speed and doesn't bog until you really start to lean on it. That would indicate to me parallel wound. On Fri, Ma

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 05/15/2015 08:29 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/15/2015 08:44 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: >> As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be controlled >> by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer but with great >> loss of torque >> Can a motor like this be control

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Frank P Bufton
These are SERIES. The fields are wound with a few turns on relatively heavy wire to reduce inductance. A pure DC motor would work poorly on AC. This was tried in the late 1900's Frank From: Stephen Dubovsky To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Date: 05/15/2015 10:42 AM Subject

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
For universal motor reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_motor -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- One dashboard for servers and applications acr

[Emc-users] 2.7~pre6 and Glade and gtk2/3

2015-05-15 Thread Tom Easterday
I have a new install using 2.7~pre6 and want to set up a Gladevcp panel. I thought I had installed all the dependencies, etc but when I run “glade gvcp-panel.ui” I get this error: “gvcp-panelui targets Gtk+2.16 But this version of Glade is for GTK+3 only. Make sure you can run this project with

Re: [Emc-users] 2.7~pre6 and Glade and gtk2/3

2015-05-15 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 02:39:19PM -0400, Tom Easterday wrote: > I have a new install using 2.7~pre6 and want to set up a Gladevcp > panel. I thought I had installed all the dependencies, etc but > when I run ???glade gvcp-panel.ui??? I get this error: > > ???gvcp-panelui targets Gtk+2.16 But thi

Re: [Emc-users] 2.7~pre6 and Glade and gtk2/3

2015-05-15 Thread Tom Easterday
I do have Debian Wheezy. I will look at the link, thanks. -Tom > On May 15, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Chris Radek wrote: > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 02:39:19PM -0400, Tom Easterday wrote: >> I have a new install using 2.7~pre6 and want to set up a Gladevcp >> panel. I thought I had installed all the

Re: [Emc-users] 2.7~pre6 and Glade and gtk2/3

2015-05-15 Thread Tom Easterday
apt-get install glade-gnome on my systems says it is already up to date… -Tom > On May 15, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Chris Radek wrote: > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 02:39:19PM -0400, Tom Easterday wrote: >> I have a new install using 2.7~pre6 and want to set up a Gladevcp >> panel. I thought I had inst

[Emc-users] passing parameters when loading hal comp

2015-05-15 Thread Klemen Dovrtel
Hello everybody, I would like to pass different parameters to a module when i loadrt the hal comp. Can i achieve that? I noticed the personality=P,P,P option. I assume P are just a plain numbers. Is it possible to add something similar to name variable like it done in case of "loadrt emcmot kins

Re: [Emc-users] passing parameters when loading hal comp

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 23:04, Klemen Dovrtel wrote: > Hello everybody, > I would like to pass different parameters to a module when i loadrt the hal > comp. Can i achieve that? Yes. Have a look at bldc.comp to see one way to do it. The manpage for the macros is here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/htm

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 10:13:46 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 15 May 2015 10:03:49 andy pugh wrote: > > On 15 May 2015 at 14:54, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > When the belt starts slipping cogs, the drivers PID cranks up the > > > power, and the pulley, being plastic, the teeth melt from the > > > fr

Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 14 May 2015 21:08:41 Tom Easterday wrote: > > On May 14, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > One diff, Tom. My mouse was also frozen where it was. Only > > response was to the reset button. > > The last one today happened just after (5 seconds) I exited Axis, so > it MAY no

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/15/2015 3:28 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 03:03, Gene Heskett wrote: >> I had a session day before yesterday of the back gear countershaft >> squawling pretty bad, so I called Chris at LMS and bought the whole >> headstock for a $132 bill with USPS shipping, and which arrived toda

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 10:41 AM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > Hmm. Don't think so. Series motors run crazy RPM when load is removed due > to field weakening and will always vary RPM based on load. A typ handheld > corded drill has a pretty set top speed and doesn't bog until you really > start to lean on it

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 05:41 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > To continue this nearly sterile thread, I have now spent about 3 hours > looking for an HTD belt/pulley setup that might replace this. LMS is > out of the plastic, 9mm bore pulley till the end of June. > > But the instant I mention a metric bore, I a

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 21:44:08 Gregg Eshelman wrote: > On 5/15/2015 3:28 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > On 15 May 2015 at 03:03, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> I had a session day before yesterday of the back gear countershaft > >> squawling pretty bad, so I called Chris at LMS and bought the whole > >> hea

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 21:55:07 Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/15/2015 05:41 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > To continue this nearly sterile thread, I have now spent about 3 > > hours looking for an HTD belt/pulley setup that might replace this. > > LMS is out of the plastic, 9mm bore pulley till the end o

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 09:38 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Sounds like a workable thing to me Jon, thanks. How is that sintered > powder in terms of making a keyway in it, considering I don't have an > appropriate broach? Yet... What I have been doing is making miniature > taperlock setups, which when pull

Re: [Emc-users] drive belt question.

2015-05-15 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/15/2015 7:54 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > OTOH, I could be tempted to throw more $ at it, and get a South Bend 8k > from Grizzly, on sale for a hair under 2g's, but by the time it would be > up and running by LCNC, I'd have around 5g's in it. Just the stand is > another $930, and the same size