Re: [E-devel] E16 - what next?

2003-11-11 Thread Ben Rockwood
I know removing the default theme(s) might be strong and some people will hate it, but frankly, that's the idea! I don't want to use old themes, alot of people associate darker themes and thats stuck with E's reputation, but we do and have done crisp and clean better than anyone for ages. With

[E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Ben Rockwood
Since someone suggested a possible change for the next DR16 release would be to shrink the package size I poked around. BrusedMetal is big, 3.7M big. The current package contains 4 themes, BrushedMetal (3.7M), ShinyMetal (1.2M), BlueSteel (650K), and Ganymede (2.4M). The other killer is dox, the

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread David Tulloh
warning: first post (de-lurking) Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if there was equivalent online documentation for dr16 Good call. Should the menu-generator put that in the main menu then? Start browser (whichever one it found) pointed at e-help?

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 05:54 AM 11/11/2003, Ben Rockwood wrote: Since someone suggested a possible change for the next DR16 release would be to shrink the package size I poked around. BrusedMetal is big, 3.7M big. The current package contains 4 themes, BrushedMetal (3.7M), ShinyMetal (1.2M), BlueSteel (650K), and

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 09:28 AM 11/11/2003, Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do many people use sound events ? Personally, I find them annoying, but that's just me. I think they're very much like real alpha that way -- good fun for about half an hour, and then you turn it

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 09:28, Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: I think they're very much like real alpha that way -- good fun for about half an hour, and then you turn it off and go back to work. agreed :) -mike pgp0.pgp Description: signature

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread David Tulloh
Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: David Tulloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally I have always prefered documentation in plain text form. I feel that it should at least be provided as an alternative to html. Confucius says: easier it is to automagically generate plaintext from HTML than

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 09:58 AM 11/11/2003, David Tulloh wrote: With some hacking in gimp I managed to cut the E_backgrounds_settings.png file from 256K to 147K with no visible deterioration from the process (that wouldn't be fixed with some care). What does converting them to JPG do to the size ?? I've taken images

Sound events (was Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:28:23 +0100, Cristalle Azundris Sabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think they're very much like real alpha that way -- good fun for about half an hour, and then you turn it off and go back to work. Yes, a lot of the sound events get old pretty quick. On the other

Re: [E-devel] Re: Sound events

2003-11-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:43:45 +0100, Cristalle Azundris Sabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I activated the self-same feature after my above post, and got sick of it after almost exactly half an hour -- specifically because of the focus change, didn't hear much of the others. You probably

Re: [E-devel] Re: Sound events

2003-11-11 Thread Michael Jennings
On Tuesday, 11 November 2003, at 14:48:09 (-0500), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a cubicle dweller, so there was only one real solution: http://www.kenwoodusa.com/product/product.jsp?productTypeId=32productId=31 ITYM:

Re: [E-devel] Re: Sound events

2003-11-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:04:10 EST, Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_Disp layProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=pa_Headphones_NoiseCancelingProductSK U=MDRNC20Dept=pa No, although I'll keep those in mind if I

Re: [E-devel] E16 - what next?

2003-11-11 Thread Kim Woelders
Alan Schmitt wrote: I'm thinking of looking at that iconified window patch thingie (the one that adds an option to add iconified windows to the alt-tab list for all desktops). Maybe BAM has an updated patch stashed away somewhere? And other itches I feel like scratching ;-) By all means -

Re: [E-devel] E16 - what next?

2003-11-11 Thread BAM
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:16, Kim Woelders wrote: Alan Schmitt wrote: I'm thinking of looking at that iconified window patch thingie (the one that adds an option to add iconified windows to the alt-tab list for all desktops). Maybe BAM has an updated patch stashed away somewhere? Sadly,

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Kim Woelders
I think shrinking the dist size would be a *really* good move. 11+ Mbyte is ridiculous. Assuming that it would be a bad idea to separate the themes entirely from the code, I like the idea of two (crisp/dark) new lean themes. Sound - It seems to me that the only problem with sounds right now is

[E-devel] [PATCH] e16 $DISPLAY

2003-11-11 Thread Laurence J. Lane
Some X apps and window managers accept a -display command line option. Some use --display. All appear to honor the DISPLAY environmental variable. This bit me some time ago with the Debian menu system, which facilitates changing window managers on-the-fly. Switching to e went horribly wrong

Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] e16 $DISPLAY

2003-11-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 18:58, Laurence J. Lane wrote: Some X apps and window managers accept a -display command line option. Some use --display. All appear to honor the DISPLAY environmental variable. -display and --display is just fancy features some apps like to support ... it's cool,

[E-devel] [PATCH] e16 default font handling

2003-11-11 Thread Laurence J. Lane
raster wrote this patch to provide the fixed font if the etheme's default font is not available. For an example scenario, start e with brushedmetal-tigert and a font server that does not have the Lucida font. e starts with no titlebar/menu/dialogbox/whatver fonts. The fixed font or

[E-devel] E16 - imlib2 patch

2003-11-11 Thread Kim Woelders
I don't want to commit it just at this moment. If anybody wants to play with it then grab a patch to current CVS here http://www.woelders.dk/~kw/stuff/e16/e16-imlib2-1.patch Probably some things should have been done some other way :-) I have some doubts about the depth stuff, particularly with

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 19:04, Carsten Haitzler wrote: 3. convert images that are not transparent) (ie square) into .jpg and change docs to point to these I just converted all the PNGs from the E-dox directory into JPG and GIF format. GIF is no longer evil, right ?? The Unisys patent ran out I

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:45:49 -0500 Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 19:04, Carsten Haitzler wrote: 3. convert images that are not "transparent) (ie square) into .jpg and change docs to point to these I just converted all the PNGs from