>> It makes even more mysterious your resistance to UDA
Well The Prestige is a film about obsession and the lengths people go to meet
them. Its not about the UDA.
It does contain a teleport machine in it and the naughty magician keeps
duplicating himself and killing off one of the duplicates.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:29:42AM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
>
>
> > > What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well
> > understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do that
> > yet.
> >
>
> The definit
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 03:40:52PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/16/2014 2:02 PM, John Mikes wrote:
> >E.g.: stone the women piously, chop off hands piously, etc.
> >Major branches, like Shia and Sunni? the jihadists?
> >The problem is they have no "pope" with authority since 500AD.
>
> The best t
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:55:42 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
>
> > So, in that paragraph I was summing up that:
>>
>> In making your argument that the current problem of intelligence was
>> equal between computers and humans:
>>
>
> I'm saying c
War is surely a drain, but often the lack of covalent violence often costs
hugely in the number of lives lost and yes, suffering. Simply look at the
policies of the last 2 American chieftains. One was bad, the newer one, awful.
Simply cast your eyes to the goings of in Syria, and now Iraq. View
On Monday, June 16, 2014 3:29:43 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Kim Jones > wrote:
>
>
>> > What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well
>> understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do that
>> yet.
>>
>
> The de
On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:18:14 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
>
> On Monday, June 16, 2014 5:49:55 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:55:42 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> > So, in that parag
On 6/16/2014 2:02 PM, John Mikes wrote:
E.g.: stone the women piously, chop off hands piously, etc.
Major branches, like Shia and Sunni? the jihadists?
The problem is they have no "pope" with authority since 500AD.
The best thing about the pope is that he has no battalions.
The US-dwelling Mus
On 17 June 2014 07:57, wrote:
> I don't know about Einstein's 13 tensor equations and their exact results.
>
You should at least know that that is how a physical theory works.
> I just don't believe space can be curved.
Why not? It just needs a higher dimension. Actually there are
interpret
On 16 June 2014 22:44, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Liz, have you Kiwis no sense of shame?
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/zealand-may-kick-start-race-mine-ocean-floor-211229873--finance.html;_ylt=AwrBJR66KJ5Taz0APtTQtDMD
>
> Ah, Kiwis,weak link, in the g
On 17 June 2014 05:57, John Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> That machine does not know in advance its future state, and that is what
> I meant.
>
> So a Turing Machine has free will.
>
Specifically, it does in Bruno's sense, since I assume a TM can "kno
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/15/2014 3:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:32 PM, John Mikes wrote:
>
>> Telmo:
>>
>> I am a multilinguist (similar to you I suppose) and consider the word
>> 'democracy' as the rule "Cratos" of "DEMOS". the t
E.g.: stone the women piously, chop off hands piously, etc.
Major branches, like Shia and Sunni? the jihadists?
The problem is they have no "pope" with authority since 500AD.
The US-dwelling Muslims refrain of declarations that would have defamed
them, nevertheless "pious" honor killings are on.
As
I don't know about Einstein's 13 tensor equations and their exact results.
I just don't believe space can be curved. And I do believe Coulomb fields
can be curved. Our Universe is not a mathematical structure; it is a
combination of atoms and molecules and light and other things that can be
expla
On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:53:07 PM UTC+1, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> 1. 9-11 in the US answered all questions regarding the Islamists as fair
> as I am concerned.
>
> 2. The applied standard for patriotism is doing actions that help the US
> survive long enough until the genuine AI is achi
On 6/16/2014 8:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Comp *has* a notion of primitive matter (the sum on all computations below the subst
level, or []p & <>t with p sigma_1), but it is defined as "observable by a universal
machine".
And is this not the same as the defintion I gave as the physical is w
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:03, LizR wrote:
On 16 June 2014 08:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/14/2014 11:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 15 June 2014 01:54, wrote:
I have not attempted to correlate my theory with the thinking of
Plato and
Aristotle. I would be happy to discuss this with you (my cell phone
1. 9-11 in the US answered all questions regarding the Islamists as fair as I
am concerned.
2. The applied standard for patriotism is doing actions that help the US
survive long enough until the genuine AI is achieved, or Jesus returns, as the
Christians desire. Until then, we need to seek t
On 15 Jun 2014, at 23:49, John Mikes wrote:
How much was a "day" before Creation?
and: wht happened "7 days" before creation? who gave birth?
Very good question.
Comp is lucky for not being asked to answer this, as the outer god can
be limited to the sigma_1 arithmetical truth, and it is n
Richard, I do know the history of the Bush regime, and all that. To be
consistent, my point again is that the comies, liberals, and so forth were
against Hitler because he railed against the 'Bolshevism' of Comrade Stalin.
When Stalin and Dolf did the pact of steel, they were best buds to the p
On 15 Jun 2014, at 22:16, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/14/2014 11:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 15 June 2014 01:54, wrote:
I have not attempted to correlate my theory with the thinking of
Plato and
Aristotle. I would be happy to discuss this with you (my cell phone
number is 858-353-0997) or to consider
On Monday, June 16, 2014 1:49:08 AM UTC+great feat saying that one is
anti-war, when they claimed is merely, anti-American military. This is
clear today, it was clear three decades ago, when "anti-war" protesters,
protested only against Pershing missiles in west Europe, and then years
befor
On 14 Jun 2014, at 15:54, jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote:
I have not attempted to correlate my theory with the thinking of
Plato and
Aristotle. I would be happy to discuss this with you (my cell phone
number is 858-353-0997) or to consider your specific thoughts as to
how my
theory relat
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>If free will just means will then why stick on the "free" ?
>>
>
> > Because we believe that "free" does not add anything,
>
Except bafflegab.
> except some emphasis on the needed existence of some degree of freedom.
>
And here we go again
On 14 Jun 2014, at 15:38, jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote:
My model provides an explanation of everything including gravity
which I
understand is not explained by QM. QM does not explain logically why
electrons do not blow themselves apart. I don't believe in quantum
weirdness. There is a
On 14 Jun 2014, at 05:32, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 5:45 PM, LizR wrote:
On 14 June 2014 12:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 4:48 PM, LizR wrote:
On 14 June 2014 10:01, meekerdb wrote:
Consequently, neither computation, nor the epistemological states it
emulates, are dispensable (i.e. f
Hitler supporters, at least the ones that actually gave financial support,
were mainly rich conservatives like Prescott Bush.
Richard
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:05 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> China 89 was a different idea, because they were prag
On 14 Jun 2014, at 02:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 4:48 PM, LizR wrote:
On 14 June 2014 10:01, meekerdb wrote:
Consequently, neither computation, nor the epistemological states it
emulates, are dispensable (i.e. fully reducible) in this schema.
It's not clear what "emulates" means. I t
On 14 Jun 2014, at 01:46, LizR wrote:
On 14 June 2014 10:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 2:22 PM, David Nyman wrote:
Moreover, it is not
straightforwardly reducible to the underlying arithmetical entities
and relations, because the selective principle in question *depends"
on complex, computa
On 14 Jun 2014, at 01:43, LizR wrote:
On 14 June 2014 10:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 2:22 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 13 June 2014 20:44, meekerdb wrote:
under
physicalism, in accounting for the origin of matter (which is basic).
This makes it coherent, at least in principle, to ask for an
Hold on a secI will youtube link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIEq305SizA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aJPF5HJ9Is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DON-aM2tze4
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Subject: Re: Turing te
China 89 was a different idea, because they were pragmatists and not
ideologues. They were true pacifists, however unreasonable that is. What brings
stability between China and everyone else, is the capability for other nations
to leverage things that China doesn't want to do without. The anti-
On 14 Jun 2014, at 00:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 2:22 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 13 June 2014 20:44, meekerdb wrote:
under
physicalism, in accounting for the origin of matter (which is
basic).
This makes it coherent, at least in principle, to ask for an
exhaustive physical accounting
I absolutely agree! But my point was that these folks are not "true pacifists"
by merely anti-Americans calling themselves pacifists. These types genuflect to
M-L ideology as a parishioner does in Church on Sundays. It's like a religion
(ideology) because they're faith-based. You'd have figured
On 13 Jun 2014, at 23:22, David Nyman wrote:
On 13 June 2014 20:44, meekerdb wrote:
under
physicalism, in accounting for the origin of matter (which is
basic).
This makes it coherent, at least in principle, to ask for an
exhaustive physical accounting of any given state of affairs. In the
I thought I have commented this, but my computer claims I did not.
Anyway, i make precisions.
On 13 Jun 2014, at 17:07, David Nyman wrote:
On 13 June 2014 01:27, meekerdb wrote:
But although we may speculate that consciousness and physical
events both
depend on computation (perhaps only in
On 13 Jun 2014, at 04:52, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/12/2014 7:03 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 13 June 2014 02:42, meekerdb wrote:
Simply because you can give something you call a "basic
accounting" of a
painting by specifying the placement of pigments on a canvas doesn't
preclude also describing
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
> > What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well
> understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do that
> yet.
>
The definition of creativity is not constant, it is whatever computers
can't do YET. Bef
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:44:24 PM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 15 Jun 2014, at 03:34, Pierz wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:52:02 AM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
>>
>> On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz wrote:
>>
> On 16 Jun 2014, at 8:42 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List
> wrote:
>
> Besides Di Bono, there's the dude Bruce Bueno Di Mesquito, who's supposed to
> be the great predictor.
>
Link? Clip? Interesting
K
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Besides Di Bono, there's the dude Bruce Bueno Di Mesquito, who's supposed to be
the great predictor.
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