The Groundhog Day may be also of interest for someone of you. The UDA
run wild in this film where a local semi-robust loop in time forces
the protagonist to do things like killing himself or mastering Rock
Roll piano.
Can loops in time produce personal duplications? In this case we
would have
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:08, LizR wrote:
On 15 June 2014 22:41, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 15 Jun 2014, at 07:19, LizR wrote:
On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:44, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 08:02:51AM -0700, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Your question may be coincidental, but it's pretty hard not to
think there
is some connection with road crash taking place in what was the
Bruno-myself dialogue. You are
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:57, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 01:33:14PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Jun 2014, at 12:13, Russell Standish wrote:
Changled title again, as this has wandered a lot from tronnies.
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:08:08AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 01:11, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/15/2014 3:10 PM, LizR wrote:
On 16 June 2014 06:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
If you can determine what a mouse, or a computer, is conscious of
then you've engineered it. The point of using the word engineer
is that engineering is
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:02AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:57, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 01:33:14PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Jun 2014, at 12:13, Russell Standish wrote:
Changled title again, as this has wandered a lot from
On 16 Jun 2014, at 02:54, John Mikes wrote:
[] - and with Shift: {}
It was right under my nose. I just did not think abut it.
That happen very often. We rarely expect to find under the nose what
we search for some period of time :)
All the best,
Bruno
Thanx.
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014
On 17 June 2014 20:39, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 02:54, John Mikes wrote:
[] - and with Shift: {}
It was right under my nose. I just did not think abut it.
That happen very often. We rarely expect to find under the nose what we
search for some period of
What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well
understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do that yet.
Kim, what do you think of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna
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On 17 Jun 2014, at 10:02 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well
understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do that yet.
Kim, what do you think of this:
On 17 Jun 2014, at 06:20, chris peck wrote:
It makes even more mysterious your resistance to UDA
Well The Prestige is a film about obsession and the lengths people
go to meet them. Its not about the UDA.
Of course, as it doesn't make the FPI explicitly, but it is a good
introduction.
On behalf of the people who haven't actually seen the film, could people
please put Spoiler Alert in the email before you give away crucial
details to a movie? Many of the films mentioned in this thread I haven't
seen. If I had read Chris's post before watching The Prestige I would have
been
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
sorry about the shitfaced first response. Drunk.
No problem.
The thing is John, in humans being intelligent and being conscious,
always show up together, never one on its own.
I don't see how you could know that, the only being you
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Solving differential equations still requires creativity, and will always
do so
OK fine, but can you find the exact solutions to differential equations
better than Mathematica? I don't think so.
Perhaps you mean
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:55 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Other that the fact than your use of personal pronouns was inexcusably
sloppy and inconsistent for a good logician, I have long since forgotten
the details of your proof. But are you telling me that the grand
conclusion of step 3
On 17 Jun 2014, at 10:42, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:02AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:57, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 01:33:14PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Jun 2014, at 12:13, Russell Standish wrote:
Changled
Quantum effects in belief. Can comp explain this?
Brent
Original Message
/In recent years, quantum probability theory has been used to explain a range of seemingly
irrational human decision-making behaviors. The quantum models generally outperform
traditional models in
Thanks. It looks interesting. K is amazing by itself. It is löbian
in the sense that the theorems of K are closed for the Löb rule: if K
proves []A - A, for some modal formula A, then K proves A. []([]A-
A)-[]A is true about K.
I will take a look when I have the times, and I hope it is
Clathrates? Its a gas! May George Soros glower his jowls upon thee!
thought you'd be pleased! God there really is no pleasing you, is there?
Clathrates are next up! (Eek! Armageddon outta here...)
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Tribal? It's mostly the non-Kufar, doing this. Family honor, and its always
against the females. Here's a fix in the west. Families which sanction murders,
lose social benefits completely. Family support, medical care. But, its guilt
by association! Me: Yeah! But Allah is more important then
Recently had fun with this in cinema, now out on DVD/Blueray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fg5iWmQjwk
Not really for content, profound depths, ideological stance, substance,
plot, and this kind of serious set of one dimensional attributes, but more
for its general attitude to telling a story
I think the Papal-Italian state of 1870, conflict appeared something like this-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0OL6W-xSJw
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On 16 Jun 2014, at 03:37, Kim Jones wrote:
hY
You don't need to have a theory of intelligence in order to use one,
any more than you need to know how to tune a piano in order to know
how to play one or understand the workings of a combustion engine to
know how to drive a car. There is
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Thanks. It looks interesting. K is amazing by itself. It is löbian in
the sense that the theorems of K are closed for the Löb rule: if K proves
[]A - A, for some modal formula A, then K proves A. []([]A-A)-[]A is
true
On 16 Jun 2014, at 02:01, LizR wrote:
On 16 June 2014 11:08, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/15/2014 3:03 PM, LizR wrote:
And it depends a lot on what you think about mathematics; whether
it's just a precise and and strictly logical subset of language or
whether it's really real
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:13, LizR wrote:
On 16 June 2014 08:51, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't see that the theory has any consequence outside of assigning
labels. That's why I have pressed you for some testable
prediction. For example, your theory might have something to say
On 15 Jun 2014, at 22:51, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/15/2014 3:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 Jun 2014, at 08:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/14/2014 10:19 PM, LizR wrote:
On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
Telmo,
are you kidding, or expecting some proposal for a solution from me?
The only one that comes to mind is *rehire Dr. Guillotine* and let him
chop off the heads that are in the way of a better system.
Then come your next questons:
1:what would you call a better system?
Easy: the one without
On 18 June 2014 05:26, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Clathrates? Its a gas! May George Soros glower his jowls upon thee!
Correction, it will be if warmed 2 degrees C. Who is George Soros?
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I understand clocks in satellites do not run at the same speed as clocks
here on earth. However, I just can't understand why we would use
Einstein's equations to adjust the clocks on satellites when it would be
so easy to adjust them in accordance to the exact time here on earth.
On 17 June
Liz, the fact that you have no mustache does not authorize you to joke
about it. I have one and feel offended (G)
(Many ladies may agree who sonner or rather later grow one).
JM
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:47 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 June 2014 20:39, Bruno Marchal
Comment 2. He is the billionaire hedge fund manager who funds all Marxist
causes worldwide. He is the Koch brothers of the progressives, who is never
heard about. The rising of sea levels is now a very interesting issue as its
now demonstrated that undersea volcano's are melting Antarctic ice,
On 18 June 2014 08:43, jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote:
I understand clocks in satellites do not run at the same speed as clocks
here on earth. However, I just can't understand why we would use
Einstein's equations to adjust the clocks on satellites when it would be
so easy to adjust them in
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinugishable from magic -
well, it may be, if the laws of physics allow it.
By the way uploading minds appears to assume comp. (At least if you're
going to actually survive the process, rather than merely thinking you
did !)
On 18 June 2014 10:31,
On 18 June 2014 04:23, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:55 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Other that the fact than your use of personal pronouns was
inexcusably sloppy and inconsistent for a good logician, I have long since
forgotten the details of your
On 18 June 2014 10:17, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Comment 2. He is the billionaire hedge fund manager who funds all Marxist
causes worldwide. He is the Koch brothers of the progressives, who is never
heard about. The rising of sea levels is now a
Sea level rise isn't just caused by ice melting. Above 4C water expands
when heated, and as far as I have been able to determine with google-fu,
the majority of the earth's oceans are above 4C and hence if warmed will
rise even if no ice melts.
On 18 June 2014 10:46, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
Volcano's? I am not sure of any under the North Pole. I never said human (7
billion) never had an impact. I did say that whatever the impact is, is not
what the other side is saying, as in exaggerated for political-ideological, and
economic reasons. Plus, I have concluded that the politicians
You know when the head of the UN IPCC says we change our results at the
requests of the governments as the dude stated last September, its reasonable
to conclude that, that its not pure research, as in basic research, but
research performed for who pays. Its ideology driving this. The question
yeah, The Grand Budapest Hotel was a blast. Cinema for cinema's sake.
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:39:32 +0200
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Recently had fun with this in cinema, now out on
On 18 June 2014 11:05, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Volcano's? I am not sure of any under the North Pole. I never said human
(7 billion) never had an impact. I did say that whatever the impact is, is
not what the other side is saying, as in
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:15:17PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Solving differential equations still requires creativity, and will always
do so
OK fine, but can you find the exact solutions to differential
How does standard QM explain it? They mention several times that it does so
via a law of reciprocity which is involved when a system switches states.
But how do you apply QM when the system is a person? Are they assuming
that decision making comes down to the state of some quantum-scale system
Seconded. One could I suppose put the posts in small faint letters to make
them less noticeable, but I can't see any SPOILER tags on this forum!
On 18 June 2014 03:28, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote:
On behalf of the people who haven't actually seen the film, could people
please
On 6/17/2014 4:55 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
Nevertheless, I could well imagine there being some groups that could
justify employing a researcher to perform the necessary literature
search and creatively summarise the results to feed into someone
else's work. Politicians spring to mind as
That is logically impossible from the first person point of view. You
describe the 3p view only.
Nice straw man! Whats practically impossible is for one point of view to
simultaneously accomodate the experience of both surviving and dieing. No one
questions that. However, that an individual
I don't think they're assuming or applying anything. They're just noting that, as an
empirical fact, the way people answer poll questions obeys a reciprocity principle just
like switching the order of state preparation and measurement in QM.
Brent
On 6/17/2014 5:05 PM, LizR wrote:
How does
Sorry to be dense. So are they just saying this looks similar to a result
we get with quantum systems - but not actually suggesting there's any
specific mechanism involved to connect one to the other?
If so, this might be like the analogies my son's fond of drawing.
Him Hey mum, did you know
OK, let's scratch Brent's moustache...
On 18 June 2014 09:16, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz, the fact that you have no mustache does not authorize you to joke
about it. I have one and feel offended (G)
(Many ladies may agree who sonner or rather later grow one).
JM
On Tue, Jun
[That paper]
(my head)
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Although the cost of solar has been dropping as mentioned he reckons we are
15 years away from it being viable for the average householder to install
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On 18 June 2014 14:46, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Fair enough. In any case the undersea volcanos seem to do what AGW cannot,
and the fixes are identical, if it was fully, true. There is also the
wonderfulness of exploding calderra's, meteors, a new
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 02:30:13PM +1200, LizR wrote:
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/headlines/Reichelstein-solar-2012.html
Although the cost of solar has been dropping as mentioned he reckons we are
15 years away from it being viable for the average householder to install
it.
Really
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 06:54:25PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jun 2014, at 10:42, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:02AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 00:57, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 01:33:14PM +0200, Bruno Marchal
On 6/17/2014 7:30 PM, LizR wrote:
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/headlines/Reichelstein-solar-2012.html
Although the cost of solar has been dropping as mentioned he reckons we are 15 years
away from it being viable for the average householder to install it.
As I read it that's when he
I hope so. I must admit I was a bit taken aback so I was kind of hoping
someone here might contradict this guy!
On 18 June 2014 15:46, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 02:30:13PM +1200, LizR wrote:
Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from captured
sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as fast as
possible.
Quantum biology: Algae may prove to be key ingredient for organic solar
cells
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8680/20140617/algae-may
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I hope so. I must admit I was a bit taken aback so I was kind of
Bruno, I wonder if you're aware of this critique of Maudlin's Olympia argument, which of
course also applies to the MGA?
http://www.colinklein.org/papers/OlympiaOMachines.pdf
Brent
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