On Friday 15 March 2002 17:24, wolfgang typed:
People in the Mandrake Newsgroup just try to convince me that such is
the real Mandrake forum, open to everything. They regard these
mailinglists as too boring.
Seems like I'm growing old
wobo
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:14:33 -0500, sda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:50:14PM +1100, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:07:54 -0500, Michael Osten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Some where in the universe on Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:26:54 -0700
Lorne Shantz [EMAIL
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Subject: Re: [expert] Slightly OT: Supporting Mandrake
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:14:33 -0500, sda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:50:14PM +1100, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:07:54 -0500, Michael
On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 01:26, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
IIRC, he tried to expand Mandrakesoft into areas like e-learning and support,
and this came at the expense of their core GNU/Linux distribution business.
Since Mandrakesoft was (and still is) still a small, heavily indebted and
The thread from hell. It takes a lickin but keeps on tickin Keep up
the great job boys and girls
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J. Craig Woods
UNIX/NT Network/System Administration
-Art is the illusion of spontaneity-
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:00:13 -0600
J. Craig Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thread from hell. It takes a lickin but keeps on tickin Keep up
the great job boys and girls
--
J. Craig Woods
UNIX/NT Network/System Administration
-Art is the illusion of spontaneity-
Next we are
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 18:25 +1100, Darren King wrote:
These analogies are hilarious. When you buy a car do they tell you
it'll never needs gas? No. You know that going in. When you
downloaded linux did you think you'd have to pay? Linux was started by
people who did it for the fun of
I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone but please, please, please, please
can we take this discussion AWAY from the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
list there are much better forums for this, several posters have suggested
those already :-)
Whatever your views are about Mandrake policy this not the place
I've got some idea to explain why paying for a distro could be reasoned:
The main idea is to have the source open as mentioned several times. We
want Linux to grow and prosper. So we're forming a community with some
sort of membership fees to additionally empower the open source idea with
On 13 Mar 2002 17:54:14 +1100
Darren King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There seems to be a movement to guilt linux users into paying for
linux these days since it's so good but we didn't buy it. If I wanted
to pay for an OS, I would. I don't so I use linux. Linux vendors like
Mandrake should
then again, maybe some of us should consider that the free lunches in life
are prepared by someone, and served by some one, do you not tip a waiteress?
or maybe the should not bother to bring your food since they only might get
tipped? how dumd could it be to try and make a living thru the
Not all of us live in North America. In Australia, you do not tip.
Waitesses are paid a decent wage here. Just because a cable is at a
house for TV, doesn't mean it's on...I don't get the analogy. The
whole fun of linux is that it's made by people who want to do it, in
their spare time. Tell
Darren King wrote:
Not all of us live in North America. In Australia, you do not tip.
Waitesses are paid a decent wage here. Just because a cable is at a
house for TV, doesn't mean it's on...I don't get the analogy. The
whole fun of linux is that it's made by people who want to do it, in
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On Wednesday 13 March 2002 7:30 pm, you wrote:
Not all of us live in North America. In Australia, you do not tip.
Waitesses are paid a decent wage here. Just because a cable is at a
house for TV, doesn't mean it's on...I don't get the analogy.
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 02:29 pm, you wrote:
Darren King wrote:
Not all of us live in North America. In Australia, you do not tip.
Waitesses are paid a decent wage here. Just because a cable is at a
house for TV, doesn't mean it's on...I don't get the analogy. The
whole fun of linux is
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 14:30, you wrote:
Not all of us live in North America. In Australia, you do not tip.
Waitesses are paid a decent wage here. Just because a cable is at a
house for TV, doesn't mean it's on...I don't get the analogy. The
whole fun of linux is that it's made by
Well, I've read the posts and after listening to everyone, I would like to
add my point - which is - who cares? If you use mandrake and you like it,
doesn't it make sense to support them? If you like driving your car,
don't you put gas in it? What happens if you don't put gas in? C'mon
On 14 Mar 2002 06:30:40 +1100
Darren King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not all of us live in North America. In Australia, you do not tip.
Waitesses are paid a decent wage here. Just because a cable is at a
house for TV, doesn't mean it's on...I don't get the analogy. The
whole fun of linux
On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 00:02, James wrote:
With all due respect probably more than you or I do. Such projects as
Bastille, wine, KDE and others do get money, time and support from Mandrake.
In fact Many of the project leaders for Open Source projects are employed by
the various
I don't know what you mean by rash, but I stand by what I say. You
cannot use a standard business model when your product is free. How
many people would use linux if it and all the apps had to be paid full
price for? Would you pay 500 bucks for the gimp even though it's as
good as Photoshop?
These analogies are hilarious. When you buy a car do they tell you
it'll never needs gas? No. You know that going in. When you
downloaded linux did you think you'd have to pay? Linux was started by
people who did it for the fun of it. Where has that gone?
Darren
On Thu, 2002-03-14 at
I thought the article is bang on. I didn't find it inflammatory at
all...what part did you find so?
On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 17:32, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
Personally, I've become amazed at how tight this list is when faced with
adversity. Quite frankly, I consider the subscription to this list to
First, my apologies to any here who may have already heard this through
other channels, and I also ask your forgiveness if I've missed a thread here
where this is being discussed. And lastly, I hope you don't worry that it
might not be most inappropriate for a part-time Mandrake nobody and
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 10:55, Dave Salovesh wrote:
First, my apologies to any here who may have already heard this through
other channels, and I also ask your forgiveness if I've missed a thread here
where this is being discussed. And lastly, I hope you don't worry that it
might not be most
Well said. I have made my contribution to help. I figure I've gotten lots of fun
from this version. Now what really makes me crazy is after helping them out I
would at least like to be able to leave Mandrake a test report. The web site says
I need to give them more money to do that!?!?!? Am I
Some where in the universe on Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:26:54 -0700
Lorne Shantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well said. I have made my contribution to help. I figure I've gotten
lots of fun
from this version. Now what really makes me crazy is after helping them
out I
would at least like to be able to
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 21:26, Lorne Shantz wrote:
Well said. I have made my contribution to help. I figure I've gotten lots of fun
from this version. Now what really makes me crazy is after helping them out I
would at least like to be able to leave Mandrake a test report. The web site says
I
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:07:54 -0500, Michael Osten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some where in the universe on Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:26:54 -0700
Lorne Shantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well said. I have made my contribution to help. I figure I've gotten
lots of fun
from this version. Now what
Maybe I missed this one, what did CEO Henri Poole do that was bad for
MandrakeSoft?
JG
I don't know one pure GNU/Linux company that can truthfully claim to be
operating within their means. Even Red Hat, which is probably the most viable
company right now, is still indebted to venture
On this note a comment if I may...
I've seen a lot of talk about free as in beer. Well don't know where you come from
but in my neck of the woods beer that is free today requires that I buy a round later.
In my business I'm trying to Sell software management. To many of the VAR's (Value
IIRC, he tried to expand Mandrakesoft into areas like e-learning and support,
and this came at the expense of their core GNU/Linux distribution business.
Since Mandrakesoft was (and still is) still a small, heavily indebted and
unprofitable company, its first objective should have been to reach
Well maybe, just maybe for once a company can put it's employees before
it's shareholders. One of the big reasons I use linux is that it's
free.
Darren
I don't know one pure GNU/Linux company that can truthfully claim to be
operating within their means. Even Red Hat, which is probably
There seems to be a movement to guilt linux users into paying for
linux these days since it's so good but we didn't buy it. If I wanted
to pay for an OS, I would. I don't so I use linux. Linux vendors like
Mandrake should not have tried to become profitable corporations by
selling a product
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